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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
op asked about 2binz being close these days and gyuvin said they were always close. they shared a room with junseo during bp. gyuvin actually cried during kick it but when he entered the room, a stranger held open his arms and cried with him,, and that stranger was hanbin 😭😭😭
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1 year
looooool kfans reallllly like woongsungz faces just a line of instiz posts crying over woongsungz pictorials LMFAO same though 🥺
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ppl shocked at hanbin basically saying "you slayed" to jiwoong and being random af but rmbr this is a 22 year old college kid who laughed his ass off at his friend screaming in the cold shower and climbed out of his friends car trunk like
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
this is so funny, hanbin covering his butt instinctively cos it keeps getting slapped 😭 whos slapping ur baby hamcat butt 😭😭😭
@wingnbwing
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1 year
㉵ 얘 엉덩이 진짜 많이 맞았나본데 본능적으로 가림 ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬ㅋ⫬
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
so apparently sung hanbin also had a guy in his ig comments saying 'we should date' too 😭😭😭 allindans looks like the line is going all the way to jupiter and we're at the end of it 😭😭😭
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
okay but mnet really erased hanbin and yujin's personalities just like that during bp. like wdym hanbin is a funny egg yolk with a ton of jokes and yujin is an energetic baby bunny who randomly tosses out funny comments where did you hide our hambokz's personalities mnet
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
gyuvin said yujin is his son and hanbin is his second son but yujin said if he had to pick a member to be his son he'd pick hanbin so who is whose son here
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@cloverhamcat
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11 months
i tried through tears ☘💙
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@p01een
포 !!
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한빈이가 보플 때 규빈이한테 써준 편지.. 🥺 3차 경연 전에 써줬나봐..ㅜㅜ
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
where's this from
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
the key to trending on korean socmed 웅성즈 얼굴 널리 알려 woongsungz never fails hanbin jiwoong you will be the fuel for the rest of my week
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
excerpt from takuto's interview (trans for part mentioning sung hanbin) q: a trainee you looked up to? a: sung hanbin. we trained together during say my name, he was very talented and also a good teacher, he gave off the feeling of 'the good youth'. he was also very kind.
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@shanbin_JP
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ボイプラで一緒だった拓斗くんがインタビューで、憧れていた練習生として、ソンハンビンの話をしてくれてます! 🔗 #ソンハンビン #SUNGHANBIN #ZEROBASEONE
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
the most underrated pair on jebitwt i swear 😭😭😭 gyuvin literally said he wants to live with hanbin during lmr why does no one ever talk about it
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
hanbin is a great mc but can i have one live where he and gyuvin and jiwoong are just sitting together teasing each other like in the pajama party that was the cutest shiz
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1 year
guys pls give engagements to fansites before reposting. hitting the like and rtwt isn't hard and is honestly the bare minimum we can do. hanbin has many fansites who give us amazing pics but don't expect them to keep it up when we as fans can't even engage. we can do better.
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
THIS PIC IS SO WILD hanbin sabotaging ricky with such an innocent expression and GYUJIN IN THE BACKGROUND HELP 😭😭😭
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1 year
why does no one ever talk about hanbin's cupids bow though like those peaks are insane
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@cloverhamcat
icy 🫐
1 year
😗 not going to start a fight at this moment but from now on i will have a go at anyone who tries to imply shb got more opportunities at the expense of others 😀 now ik you mfs won't apologise but don't blame allins for defending shb if y'all be be bithcin like this everyday 🥰
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
sorry that people are bothered by hanbin being so popular and famous and trending 🥺 it's not his fault it's us allindans who have no self control we'll combust if we don't scream about how perfect and talented and beautiful he is 🥺 don't blame him blame us 🥺🥺🥺 wE'Re soRrY
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
@jebionez this was dug up by knetz during feb on theqoo and instiz
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@cloverhamcat
icy 🫐
1 year
reading the reactions of jfans who did the hi touch, sung hanbin god of fanservice i cannot
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
@jebionez he also cried over jaehyun in his askfm 😭
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
hate to remind yall but there are actually FOUR wild sung hanbin polaroids out there being gatekept 😔 i fear they'll never see the sun
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
hanbin did not teach the dance during lmr, be the leader for smn, teach during hot summer to be discredited, my man kept that ipad in his hands during all of bp ok, salty ppl complaining about a decision the members made themselves can climb into a hole and lie in it bye
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
you'll always be the main character
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
woohoo go crazy 🤪 go wild 😜 it's a party 🥳 at the ward 🏥
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
someone on instiz said red carpet sung hanbin looks like a male miss korea VJXORBFIDNSK
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
i feel like hanbin and jiwoong's insane potential in korea is underappreciated so here IS MY ESSAY COS WOONGSUNGZ WILL ALWAYS BE FAMOUS they haven't debuted yet but they alr pull insane engagements in search portals like naver where it's not just fans but general knetz i have +
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1 year
i think one thing kfans like about woongsungz is their visual chemistry, just looking at their facial features there's a pretty strong contrast but also perfect harmony? and ofc their cute fluffy interactions, you can tell they're very comfy and open with each other
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1 year
holy the instiz trending post about sung hanbin's face reached 10k views and 100 comments, lurkers know how insane those numbers are cos usually it'll be in the several hundreds and very occasionally thousands, this is actually wild and for nothing but two pics of shb damn
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1 year
kei said he hadn't spoken much to hanbin during boys planet so he thought hanbin probably didn't know his name but hanbin told him 'i've been watching you too' and added him on kkt. kei said he really respected hanbin and became a fan of his during boys planet. he told hanbin +
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1 year
help me k-allindans are actually hilarious i just saw someone call hanbin a 냥자님 (nyangja-nim), basically a play on 왕자님 (wangja-nim) which means prince except the 냥 means kitty so they're calling him a kitty prince same vibes as the 냥랑해 (nyangranghae) they did before
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@cloverhamcat
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10 months
this 🔥 instiz post about hanbin and hoshi i'm 😭 "why's the encounter between sung hanbin and hoshi so funny" "a cat that insists he's a hamster and a hamster that insists he's a tiger" not them getting called out like this 😭
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
wait 'trainee sung hanbin' is trending in korea?
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
sung hanbin but actually twin brothers
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
many legendary pics and vids from 230406 sung hanbin but this is my personal fave moment
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
fellow allindans you may forget but i will always remember
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1 year
HELP this birthday cafe in hong kong has a 'hanbin special' injeolmi toast and they even used a screenshot of hanbin during the oze live with the 😲 face on the menu fjosbxkdbd i love allindans so much 😂💙💙
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@eldy_allin
💜엘디ʕ”̮ॽु💜𝐀𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐧 𝐟𝐨𝐫 성한빈🐹🐱
1 year
한빈이의 홍콩 생일 응원 카페가 오늘부터 시작해요~~🤍☘️ Sung Hanbin’s Birthday Cafe Event in Hong Kong starts today🤍☘️ ✨Thanks to all fansites approved their photos used for this event✨ #ZEROBAESONE #ZB1 #제로베이스원 #제베원 #성한빈 #SUNGHANBIN #成韓彬 #ソンハンビン
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1 year
iconic because 1. never done before 2. unique and incorporates hanbin's personal skills and specialty tutting 3. people actually replicating
@MnetMAMA
MAMA AWARDS
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[ #2023MAMA ] MAMA EVENT #1 Please leave a comment about 'the performer's signature pose' you wanna see at MAMA stage! 📢MAMA stage will be made with the poses you chose. ONE I BORN #2023MAMAAWARDS 2023.11.28(TUE)-29(WED) 6PM(KST) #MAMAAWARDS
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1 year
❣priorities❣ imagine how nervous and excited hanbin and jiwoong were for this event and how much they prepared for it, being rookies at such a big event and in front of so much press isn't easy and they smashed it, look at this and check priorities pls 💙 links below ☘
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1 year
damn it's actually at the live studios too that's kinda crazy hanbin making choreos and dancing with THE bada at his little nugu company i--
@ZB1_official
ZEROBASEONE
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_💌 제로즈~!! 문득 갤러리 보다가 Bada 쌤이랑 같이 안무 짠 영상 제로즈도 보고 싶어 할 것 같아서!! (Choreo by. Bada Bin)🌊☘️ 남은 주말 푹 쉬면서 알차게 보내보자구~ 행복하자요☘️🤍 #SUNGHANBIN #성한빈 #ZEROBASEONE #ZB1 #제로베이스원
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hanbin and gyuvin got a lot of praise for their growl and boy in luv performances, they really maximised their charisma through those stages, trended on ktwt for very good reasons
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1 year
woongsungz fam get up
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
wait why do i see people invalidate f4 and their popularity in korea ??? and whats with the constant erasure and replacement of the members like make your own name, f4 have been called f4 by korean fans since sangam you can't just take one out ??? and damn right they're f4 looK
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icy 🫐
1 year
i just KNOW hanbin will go home and gwajaz will start jokingly complaining like omggg you got us mixed up and then hanbin will get all 🥺 apologising but then he'll start whining like a baby like 🥺 you tricked me 🥺 NCIDBFIFJ I LOVE THEM SO MUCH
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1 year
reminds me of that time another fandom asked how we were leading against them and an allindan qrted them saying 'we're mentally ill' cjisvxisjsos 😭😭😭😭😭
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@cloverhamcat
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luv luv luv was released on 20230829 and what was the company doing on tiktok then? absolutely nothing. another member's ost released on 20240119 and what's happening on tiktok? a whole party. @wakeone_offcl @ZB1_official @zb1staff wake the fk up you're on fkn camera
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1 year
scouring hanbin crumbs from instiz again i rest well knowing i will never have to worry about a personality controversy from sung hanbin the message is basically thanking the student council for working hard and telling them 힘내 (~cheer up) for tomorrow too (from hanbin)
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1 year
don't make me bring this up .
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1 year
gunwook said hanbin's like a 괴물 monster because he's so good with the choreo, never misses any details, yujin basically said that professional dancer experience just hits different don't y'all dare speak on our sung main dancer ever again
@mooonng_
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제베원 피셜 한빈이는 >춤 디테일을 하나도 안 놓치는 괴물 멤버들이 다 극찬하는 한빈이 춤실력…🥹
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sung hanbin dedicated so many years to dancing, all through middle school and after, doing different styles, competitions, backup for idols, teaching his own classes 💙 it was literally yesterday we saw he wanted to hear "you dance really well" AND TODAY WE GIVE HIM THIS GIFT 😭
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1 year
sequel to selling out on the original jpn website, ddungjjungham chingu not only sold out but also doubled in price on cn taobao 😭 went from 112 rmb (15 usd) to 218 rmb (30 usd) and still sold out 😭 label went from "match with idol" to "match with sung hanbin" too 🌼
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AHHHHH k-allindans are so cute they ended the space saying sung hanbin saranghae but then cos k-allindans are all catbin truthers (AS THEY SHOULD BE) they started saying sung hanbin nyangranghae instead 😭🥺❤ (냥 nyang is basically kitty)
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1 year
can we allindans make sure to give love to official hanbin socmed posts? the official zb1 content, fansite pics, media articles and vids etc. let's give him the engagement numbers to score the brand deals and gigs for that 5th gen it boy title cos that won't happen by itself ❤
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1 year
we are still getting hanbin's lovely personality predebut stories to this day op's friend did a waacking performance with hanbin once and though they weren't close, op's friend said hanbin was such a sincere person and was the only one who didn't get scolded by the teacher 😭
@Dangiwoong
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친구가 얘기해준 한빈이 썰 하나 슬쩍 공유해봅니다 댄서시절부터 너무너무 성실해서 유일하게 혼나지 않은 아이라니 .. 이 남자 뭘까요 🥹 #ZB1 #성한빈
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they're appearing at a festival tomorrow as well holy shit if sung hanbin looks even a tiny bit off if there is even a smidge out of place with him this fandom is burning to the ground immediately
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
@jiwoongiez i think it's cos they're mostly independent trainees, we know yuehua and jellyfish would never sign that 7 year contract 💀
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
y'all needa interact with this article and send it to top naver articles idc
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@cloverhamcat
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1 year
hanbin isn't the nation's emcee he's the nation's hamcee 🐹😭
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1 year
reminder that hanbin gave his ring (one of the two beloved rings he never takes off) to gyuvin to wear during third elims when gyuvin was so nervous cos of interim like thats a true bond and i love them so much
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1 year
the kallindans are 🥺 because hanbin isn't eating 🥺 i'm sad too, hanbin take care of yourself and eat well please 🥺💙
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hanbin's post with park bogum has reached number 1 on entertainment section and number 7 on entire section in pann talk talk real-time rankings with 63k+ views 💙☘
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LOOOOL so many k-fans are saying they were planning to exit after bp ended but sung hanbin's face locked the door TRULY ICONIC FACE CARD
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1 year
omg the reason for hanbin's little whale ending fairy today is because it's representative of ulsan 🐋 he really puts so much thought and care into even little details like this
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1 year
kcon sung hanbin so iconic
@KCON_official
KCON OFFICIAL
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[🔴LIVE] KCON JAPAN 2023 TV ON AIR ver. ⏰ 2023.06.15 6:00 PM (KST) 📍WORLDWIDE - YouTube KCON official 📍KOREA ONLY - TVING LIVE LINK 👉 #KCONJAPAN2023 Let's #KCON !
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j-allins are living and pulling through with orders too omg i'm so touched y'all have no idea two months ago we went to japan with a dream and here we are now a growing family with the og loyal j-allins and new baby j-allins too damn 😭 the numbers are actually looking GREAT
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1 year
kfans actually loved gunihani k909 99 sec SO much, they hyped it more than ifans did, they brought it up again after gento challenge came out 😂 their duo dynamics are underrated BUT their dynamics performance and skills-wise (vocals, dance, mcing) are appreciated by kfans 💙
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that one kfan who said this scene looks like a real life snapshot of a wife feeding her husband while he's taking care of grilling the meat, come out i just wanna talk
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1 year
연습생 성한빈 안녕 아이돌 성한빈 앞으로 잘 부탁 해
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that stanky gc saying sung hanbin was gon be everything, leader main dancer main vocal visual ace fotg everything wow yes thanks for manifesting even allindans don't manifest that well but thanks everythings real now
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1 year
'sung and i' kfans said it first
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lot of c-allins were disappointed by hanbin's kcon outfit (the pINK) at first but then he was all sunshine cutie during his intro and say my name and c-allins collectively got 💘 and now they've all fallen into the 冰冰甜妹 bingbing sweetie babygirl hole and can't climb out
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there is ONE professional dancer in the group btw and its sung hanbin, if i see any zeroses try to leech that too they're catching it. that's a title you get after dedicating a crazy amount of time and effort to dance as a career, there's no mini or little, there is ONE.
@mew613_
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스우파 월드와이드로그 예고 #제로베이스원
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people getting brave underestimating hanbin's dance skills when he breathed and lived dance for so many years, so much predebut content and 97% of it is dancing, he HAS tons of professional dance experience, made a sickass choreo with bada lee while 'playing around' just bc his
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messy translation but op's non-fan friend went to green ribbon marathon and talked about seeing sung hanbin. basically said he looks really good irl, made them realise 'oh this is what a celeb is' and his face kinda glows, said his sung hanbitna nickname is 'real' 🥰
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머글 친구가 말해준 마라톤에서 본 한빈이 후기 이쟈식 제로즈 될거같응ㄷ #성한빈 #제로베이스원
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1 year
hate how underrated lmr k was as a team. reports from live audience all said they did amazing and performed like an actual debuted group, everyone worked so well tgt, the team had an amazing atmosphere and it was all overlooked cos of salty fans who ignore lmr k's talent 🙃
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sung hanbin is called a 美谈富人 (person with a wealth of good stories about them) by c-allindans because there are so many testimonials from schoolmates, teachers, friends, fellow trainees, even strangers about his great personality. this is also why ++
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1 year
anyway, korea's picks all together #soon 💙
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1 year
strawberry baby cow sung hanbin
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i just really like that you can tell hanbin wasn't lying about reading and writing as his hobbies he speaks and writes so prettily, just kinda sad that i-fans aren't able to get the full taste of his mastery of language like k-fans do 🥲
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1 year
c-allins voting for a new pfp for the hanbin supertopic in wb and things are getting heated, they're campaigning for their picks and even using burners to vote it's so serious for them 😭😂 four options but it's down to dazedbin and angelbin now 🥵😇
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still rmbr that one j-zerose said when the 2binz truck passed by her they suddenly hugged passionately and the lighting made it look like a scene out of a drama LOL
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k-allindans are so cute omg the way they drop pics and gifs of hanbin to collect baby allindans and are constantly inviting people to play together in allindan chatrooms with gifs and pics 🥺😭🥰
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weird as hell, ending, opening, chorus, db, bridge, ok so the other eight members can split the leftovers aka the two verses, TWO VERSES between EIGHT people lmfao unbelievable and for what? based on cbar sales? so if you're popular anywhere or everywhere else it doesn't count ?
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i don't think some i-fans understand how serious the woongsungz brainrot among kfans is like it is r e a l even with minimal interactions they'll just pull random stuff together and beg for woongsungz, same with 2binz
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he wants to hear he dances well, he's charming on stage, he lost weight 😭 HANBIN WE'LL GIVE YOU ALL THOSE COMPLIMENTS AND MANY MORE
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hanbin prepping for aaa beforehand, flying to ph and then mc-ing for aaa for 6 hours straight where he was standing the entire time, flying back to kr immediately, performing two stages at kbs gayo, jaehwans concert the day after and not missing a single beat, don't speak on him
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i'm seeing a wave of concern from allins and it's understandable. but at the end of the day, i hope we can rmbr we're allindans because of hanbin. not bcos of what happens on twt, not bcos of what others say about him etc, but because of hanbin. hanbin is still hanbin +
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official acc of brands and shows qrting hanbin fan acc, spao calling him hamnyangie, baby cloud acc talking about the last time he guested, mpd quoting his 🫧 message, everyone who matters has their eyes on him, everyone who's worked with him loves him, that can't be bought 💞
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1 year
🥰 look at this, allindans this is why we need to make sure to always engage with official media posts and articles about sung hanbin, these outlets ARE taking note and keeping track, simple engagements doing a lot 😍
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hnghhhh sung hanbin's so cute wtf
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10 months
a post about hanbin's photo with park bogum is trending on pann talk-talk entertainment real-time ranking with 20k+ views 💙☘
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1 year
let's thank shb jp and j-allins for their amazing work 🥺 they also managed to secure a hanbin ad on the shinjuku yunika vision screen 😍 私たちグロバルallin団も日本のallin団体のみんなを大声で応援します!頑張りましょう!🐹🐱💙☘
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1 year
🐹 #はむにゃん回覧板 🐱 ❤🎉Congratulation🎉💙 OSHITOのSUNGHANBIN_JPのクーポンからの購入枚数が "1000枚”を突破しました❣️ ✨新宿ユニカビジョンでハンビンの広告が流れます✨ 沢山のご協力、本当にありがとうございます💕 #ソンハンビン #SUNGHANBIN #성한빈 #成韩彬 #ZEROBASEONE #ZB1
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the best quantification of popularity and recognition in korea we have and hanbin contributes 22% to total on the board, his name holding up zb1 group brand on the charts too,,,does that give a free pass to allins to bully and slander and send dt's to the other members too hmm
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1 year
oh?
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there are also tons of comments on ktwt and instiz praising hanbin's vocal color/tone 😭 the way he was only into dancing and started singing super late but is snatching all these fans with his vocals, the universe really gifted him that voice and told him to be an idol 😭
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1 year
💔 i hope hanbin only sees these messages from now on
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1 year
i hope hanbin can have a career like sejeong's in the long term, she has solid recognition among the korean gp, good image, successful dramas, releases music, does concerts, steady career path
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1 year
@jebionez HERE WE GO ARTICLE AND SS that was more stressful than i expected 💀
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allindans i don't think we realise exactly how perfect and 'safe' of an idol we stan, hanbin has EVERYTHING you want, all-rounder insane talent, sweet but not boring personality (he's go that variety sense), knows his own strengths and how ++
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1 year
HELP someone wrote on this note "sung hanbin, happy birthday. i exempt you from military duty - president of south korea" why are we so unserious help
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