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don't forget about Kainé's intersexuality. Intersex representation is extremely important and needed, even if the character’s intersexuality may not be handled in the best way sometimes.
In summary:
First of all! Why am I making this thread?
I hope it doesn't seem out of nowhere, but let's start bit by bit.
I am making it not because I'm mad at anyone, but because I genuinely want you all to learn about who Kaine as a person, how she can be interpreted, +
and most details that can be taken and associated to her intersexuality, from an intersex perspective. There's A LOT of things I want to address in this thread, not necessarily all of them negative, but I do think the fandom as a whole needs to get educated on intersexuality. +
Now, the first thing I want to address:
1- Kainé, intersexuality AND transness.
Why is this first? Well, because there's a really big issue hiding in plain sight here: Intersexism, and therefore intersex erasure. +
- Not every intersex person is transgender. Cisgender intersex people exist.
- Even if trans people and intersex people may relate to the other in certain aspects, they're nowhere close to being the same, or to share the exact same experiences. +
Even if it's widely accepted by people as a whole, it is a slur against intersex people and even if some DO reclaim it, its casual use is not correct whenever you employ it to refer to an intersex individual, be it fictional or not. Not only is it considered insensitive, +
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Some of these facts are:
- Intersexuality isn't a "third sex" or an in between.
- Intersexuality does not NECESSARILY have to do anything with one's gender identity.
- It is completely, and I repeat, COMPLETELY okay to just call someone "intersex". +
First on this, a detail that a lot of you know about, and yet it's not even close to EVERYONE knowing it: The use of the word "hermaphrodite" for an intersex person. +
but it's also heavily inaccurate whenever used to describe an intersex individual, even if it may be in fact accurate for, in this case, Kainé.
It is a word a lot of us are uncomfortable with, and seeing a character who is one of the very rare cases of representation +
being associated with it doesn't really make it better. Especially since being intersex isn't just about the genital differences, but hormonal differences and such. Anything that doesn't conform to the SEX binary is considered intersex, usually also known as hyperandrogenism. +
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- Every intersex person experiences gender and life differently.
- There are many, and I say, MANY different intersex conditions.
- Intersexuality is way more frequent than you may think.
And many other facts, really, but they would pretty much need another +
the reality is very different to that idea didn’t feel right. Not because transness is bad because, again, I am trans myself, but because that just feels like everyone is forcing her into transness, when it doesn't have to be like that.
Intersexuality and transness can coexist +
I've seen people frequently agreeing that even PCOS can be considered an intersex condition, so there's also that.
Next, is the reduction of Kainé to either a transgender woman, or a transfem individual.
While these headcanons are completely okay and I personally have never +
minded them, there is an issue hiding here too.
It seems that people either don't care enough about intersex issues to do proper research, or they're blissfully ignorant about general facts on intersexuality. +
entirely separate thread to be listed.
Now, where's the issue I want to approach here?
Explained simply to non-intersex people:
Turning a headcanon like trans Kainé into something so widespread not only gives a totally different idea of what her character is from the start, +
but also gives a place for intersexism to rise. It is a way to force us intersex people into conforming within a system, a binary that EXCLUDES US and always has from the start. Because yes, the current ideas of identity are wrongly still binary. +
without problem, the problem only manifests itself when you do not give those two the opportunity to even try and coexist. It is already hard by itself to embrace your body as an intersex person, and personally topping that with transness only makes it more of a struggle. +
Intersex people are already stigmatized enough, and the last thing we need is erasure. Our voices as a whole are already heavily ignored, so the least we can ask from you is to not erase us. You can keep your headcanons (I encourage so!), but PLEASE +
her body, since it’s possessed by a shade.
A very important dialogue in the first fight against Hook that I originally interpreted as body dysphoria is:
“She gave me the strength to deal with this goddamn mutant body! Do you know how long I’ve been like this? How much I +
will always be a gap between both.
To finish up with the first point, the general objective with this:
I want you all to understand that, while trans people need representation, it's not okay to erase intersexuality or to try and make us fit into your concept of identity. +
I thought Kainé was trans from the start. I thought it was extremely cool to have such representation, being also a fellow trans person myself. Then I discovered she's intersex.
Then, everything felt unfair.
To have such an idea of something, then discovering +
That is pretty much it for the first point. Now, on to the second:
2- Kainé and body dysphoria.
Here comes a very important part, too.
Some parts of her character and dialogue can be interpreted as dysphoria, and also as a way of showing rejection towards another aspect of +
transitioned way before discovering the fact they're intersex), and they can also decide to just be intergender.
Our experiences and relationship with our body, and the way we perceive ourselves may be similar to the one of, say, a perisex transgender individual, but there +
loathe myself?”
This dialogue has been in my mind ever since I first played. And I still strongly believe it can be interpreted as dysphoria, I just acquired a different perspective on it after finishing NIER and doing a dive into what she is, as a character. While I don’t +
believe I have the deepest understanding of her, I think I have the main aspects of her character clear.
Yet another thing on her I believe is important, is this: “A heart and body in constant conflict.
No one in the world could understand her.
And loneliness was +
And yet, in the end, everyone's experiences, feelings and identity will always be different to one another. Intersex people can decide to stay as the gender they were assigned (keyword here being assigned) at birth, they can decide to transition (or maybe they could've +
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eating her alive.” Because while it may not be part of, say, a main storyline game, if we talk about NieR (it comes from SINoALICE!), it does give us a really interesting sight into her. Even if it may probably refer to her struggle as being possessed, it sounds very +
familiar to the experience I know as dysphoria.
Now, and even if she may or may not have dysphoria, here’s something that I think should be spoken of way more often - the fact that dysphoria doesn’t make you transgender. Even if it may be considered necessary in order to get +
certain medical treatments in the case of trans people, having dysphoria doesn’t make you trans, and not having dysphoria doesn’t make you not trans, either. +
To close this thread, I just have to say: Thank you for reading, I hope you could at least learn something or get a bit of perspective on to what being an intersex person is like, and a bit of interpretation about Kainé from one. +
intersexism way - we have to understand that it is not and it will NEVER be caused by some kind of “error” or mistake, even if people have chosen to see it that way for a long time now. It is not an inconvenience nor is it something not meant to happen. It IS meant to happen, +
If you want to go ahead and follow what I’ve said on it, you have a forever thanks from me.
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and there is much evidence that sex is variant - could go from slight differences, to more “noticeable” ones. Not just in humans, but in animals too.
People want to change something that just happens, that always has. In here, I beg you to take into account the fact that +
I think it’s very important to note that Kainé, as a gestalt, wasn’t intersex. Somewhere in the process there was an error that made Kainé, as a replicant, intersex. Which doesn’t sound very good, if you think about it, but it gives you room to think about Kainé +
intersex CHILDREN are forced to go through surgeries to make them fit into the sex binary. Children are bullied, hated and seen as freaks just because they were born different.
Sounds terrible, yes ? Well, thanks to this, many intersex people often feel more comfortable +
a bit differently.
Which takes us to my third (and probably last) point:
3- Kainé and identity.
Carrying on from a detail in the last point, we can see a clear, yet maybe not intentional mistake in her writing. The error of her becoming intersex. +
While it can be read as intersexism, it is also rather understandable - mistakes and errors happen, especially if we talk about literally separating soul from body, and considering the fact that there were more defects in the transformation process too.
Another very important +
fact that comes into picture is the different ‘generations’ of replicants, and the way that there have been multiple Kainés over time. So probably, since the system was already long-running by that point, that could be the reason for it.
Still, if we’re taking it the +
it will never be the same.
For that, trans and intersex people have to stand together, but sometimes that feels like too much to ask of the community.
Because intersex people, much like ace or aro people, are often ignored in queer spaces (or not considered at all, for +
comes from society as a whole.
The rejection intersex people go through is there from birth, and the eagerness from others (who don’t even have the right) to change it is too. And as much as it follows us through life, as similar as it may be to trans struggles, it is not and +
the cis intersex category by a lot - considering she has always identified and KNOWN she is a woman. But of course, that is canon.
My headcanon? Trans, intersex woman. Not hard or complicated, is it ? And that is the way it should be, if you want to listen to intersex people. +
by others.
Because they didn’t even call her a man, for they didn’t think she was deserving of that. She wasn’t deserving of a gender - she was a freak, and that was all of it. Though it is a struggle that a lot of trans people go through too, for intersex people it often +
To listen to our voices.
You are free not to, I can’t stop you. But I think that, if you’re perisex and trans, it shows the way you are with the people who have stood with you since always. To not recognize our existence is to not recognize a part of what brought all of us +
that matter). It is harsh.
So that is, too, one reason why lots of intersex individuals choose to not call themselves trans, as much as they may identify with the term. Or the complete opposite, choosing to present themselves as transgender, as to not have to bear with the +
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load that is being intersex sometimes.
But then there are the intersex trans people, who use both terms. The cis intersex people, the intergender people, the intersex people who chose not to bother with gender…
After some time of knowing her, I think canon Kainé fits into +
identifying as their own gender - intergender. Others stay cis, and others feel more identified with the term transgender.
Kainé is a hard to figure out case, since she had been and identified as a woman from the start, as much as she had been dehumanized or degraded +