@BediteAnglo @TristanxHayes @Young_Anglican So you affirm then that charity and obedience are conditions of justification, and that one is made just before he is declared just?

@BediteAnglo @TristanxHayes @Young_Anglican Read Taylor's sermon on faith working by love.

@Broken_ChainsM Yeah it's okay, basically I was arguing that there are Anglican divines who use the same language as St Charles but they hold that justification includes infused justice.

@Broken_ChainsM Yes it's based and Mary-pilled.

@Broken_ChainsM Actually I'm kind of defending you lol

@BediteAnglo @TristanxHayes @Young_Anglican Jeremy Taylor denied sola fide outright, which can be seen in his sermons on the topic, so if anything that makes your case weaker.

RT @Broken_ChainsM: A Prayer of King Charles I that I came across in a book.

@IFFFMEISTER I think also it depends on the Roman theologian as well, since the Roman theologians don't all teach the same thing on this subject.

@IFFFMEISTER immediately, but the soul may grow in bliss/sanctification over time. This privation of bliss may be a form of punishment of temporal guilt which William Forbes outlines in his work.

@catholicfan2 seemed to be reintroduced to an extent in the 1630s, which can be seen in William Dowsing's Journal, tho after the Civil War and Protectorate, advocation/invocation of saints wasn't really present at all.

@catholicfan2 Dowsing records multiple inscriptions saying "ora pro nobis."

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