An epic week at @airtattoo #RIAT23 as always. Consistently blown away by the team who are without doubt the best of the bunch in UK ATC, handling complex and busy traffic of all descriptions with nothing more than pen, paper, phone and radio. #avgeek

Finally pulling the plug, here and on Instagram and Facebook. Here's hoping for blue skies soon.

@cobaltcatcat Are you comparing similar types to similar destinations? What is 'they' in this context? Which flights/aircraft are you comparing? I assume you're familiar with CAP1733 which stores that the A350 is quieter than previous gen aircraft even though it might be lower?

@FlightmanLHR @cobaltcatcat Oh my word. I mean. Wow. There is just nothing to say to that. It's just getting silly. Diminishes any genuine concerns they have.

@DaveReidReading @Vic_A_Burgess @cobaltcatcat Pipsy seems to think (happy to be corrected), that certain destinations should always depart on the same SID regardless. (I think that's their view).

@syonist @MuppetThumper @Chelsea_gerl @Claireparks76 @Rajverma47 @b_bear12345566 @GenovaHoy @RichardHerson @theorbscureddj @bakerainlondon @TeddingtonTAG @JohnBobNaidoo @Tothepo85849100 @SwoozleH @ffssouthwark @KateProudman @JabbaTheGut5 @Jemima1931 @jay_vorani @NeilLancefield @skiesour @RAAN_BERKS @FlightFreeUK @cisha_org @A6FVC @bbcamberwell @ClareHluff @Joe_DMB @CHaus81737 @DanJGHolt When examining the historical 09R missed approaches, need to be careful considering the situation, as they will often occur when LHR is not operating in 'normal' 09R arrivals and 09L departures segregated mode, as it would usually be once E'ly Alternation is introduced.

@syonist @MuppetThumper @Chelsea_gerl @Claireparks76 @Rajverma47 @b_bear12345566 @GenovaHoy @RichardHerson @theorbscureddj @bakerainlondon @TeddingtonTAG @JohnBobNaidoo @Tothepo85849100 @SwoozleH @ffssouthwark @KateProudman @JabbaTheGut5 @Jemima1931 @jay_vorani @NeilLancefield @skiesour @RAAN_BERKS @FlightFreeUK @cisha_org @A6FVC @bbcamberwell @ClareHluff @Joe_DMB @CHaus81737 @DanJGHolt 14th Oct. I'd say that's pretty typical of a 'normal' missed approach from 09R.

@DaveReidReading @NoR3Coalition @SimonCalder Some people seem to really struggle with the concept of averages.

@MuppetThumper @syonist @Chelsea_gerl @Claireparks76 @Rajverma47 @b_bear12345566 @GenovaHoy @RichardHerson @theorbscureddj @bakerainlondon @TeddingtonTAG @JohnBobNaidoo @Tothepo85849100 @SwoozleH @ffssouthwark @KateProudman @JabbaTheGut5 @Jemima1931 @jay_vorani @NeilLancefield @skiesour @RAAN_BERKS @FlightFreeUK @cisha_org @A6FVC @bbcamberwell @ClareHluff @Joe_DMB @CHaus81737 @DanJGHolt Sorry, silly autocorrect.. 'the hangars.... Are not on land owned by airport'. Or at least it's long term leased. And you're right, no room to move then elsewhere either.

@syonist @MuppetThumper @Chelsea_gerl @Claireparks76 @Rajverma47 @b_bear12345566 @GenovaHoy @RichardHerson @theorbscureddj @bakerainlondon @TeddingtonTAG @JohnBobNaidoo @Tothepo85849100 @SwoozleH @ffssouthwark @KateProudman @JabbaTheGut5 @Jemima1931 @jay_vorani @NeilLancefield @skiesour @RAAN_BERKS @FlightFreeUK @cisha_org @A6FVC @bbcamberwell @ClareHluff @Joe_DMB @CHaus81737 @DanJGHolt Are Richmond Park (or the Friends thereof) specifically concerned about a redesigned missed approach?

@syonist @MuppetThumper @Chelsea_gerl @Claireparks76 @Rajverma47 @b_bear12345566 @GenovaHoy @RichardHerson @theorbscureddj @bakerainlondon @TeddingtonTAG @JohnBobNaidoo @Tothepo85849100 @SwoozleH @ffssouthwark @KateProudman @JabbaTheGut5 @Jemima1931 @jay_vorani @NeilLancefield @skiesour @RAAN_BERKS @FlightFreeUK @cisha_org @A6FVC @bbcamberwell @ClareHluff @Joe_DMB @CHaus81737 @DanJGHolt In the ones I've experienced, and others I've seen the tracks of, you turn them SW as soon as possible (i.e. over the beginning or midpoint of the runway), away from the airport and the departing runway, similar to the published 27L missed approach procedure does for westerlies.

@MuppetThumper @syonist @Chelsea_gerl @Claireparks76 @Rajverma47 @b_bear12345566 @GenovaHoy @RichardHerson @theorbscureddj @bakerainlondon @TeddingtonTAG @JohnBobNaidoo @Tothepo85849100 @SwoozleH @ffssouthwark @KateProudman @JabbaTheGut5 @Jemima1931 @jay_vorani @NeilLancefield @skiesour @RAAN_BERKS @FlightFreeUK @cisha_org @A6FVC @bbcamberwell @ClareHluff @Joe_DMB @CHaus81737 @DanJGHolt In a very strong SW'ly wind, turbulence is created by the BA hangars that affects the last ½ mile of the approach on to 27R. TEAM of 6/hr will only increase the landing rate by about 2 or 3 aircraft per hour so it's not a cure all.

@syonist @MuppetThumper @Chelsea_gerl @Claireparks76 @Rajverma47 @b_bear12345566 @GenovaHoy @RichardHerson @theorbscureddj @bakerainlondon @TeddingtonTAG @JohnBobNaidoo @Tothepo85849100 @SwoozleH @ffssouthwark @KateProudman @JabbaTheGut5 @Jemima1931 @jay_vorani @NeilLancefield @skiesour @RAAN_BERKS @FlightFreeUK @cisha_org @A6FVC @bbcamberwell @ClareHluff @Joe_DMB @CHaus81737 @DanJGHolt In practice, the new missed approach procedure will more or less mirror what actually happens in real life today through ATC vectors. Would be interested in hearing any alternative proposal by Grumpalot of course.

@syonist @MuppetThumper @Chelsea_gerl @Claireparks76 @Rajverma47 @b_bear12345566 @GenovaHoy @RichardHerson @theorbscureddj @bakerainlondon @TeddingtonTAG @JohnBobNaidoo @Tothepo85849100 @SwoozleH @ffssouthwark @KateProudman @JabbaTheGut5 @Jemima1931 @jay_vorani @NeilLancefield @skiesour @RAAN_BERKS @FlightFreeUK @cisha_org @A6FVC @bbcamberwell @ClareHluff @Joe_DMB @CHaus81737 @DanJGHolt @HeathrowRunways @HeathrowAirport @transportgovuk @RuthCadbury @waltononthames @DHSCgovuk @wesstreeting @NHSuk @SingaporeAir @British_Airways @monicabeharding @hershamres @WeybridgeSurrey @NewThamesDitton @eastmolesey @ElmbridgeBC @Hillingdon I'm sure Grumpalot understands that an average takes into account the days where we have multiple missed approaches, usually due to a storm and strong, gusty crosswinds such as today, and the frequent days where we don't have any missed approaches at all.....

@MuppetThumper @syonist @Chelsea_gerl @Claireparks76 @Rajverma47 @b_bear12345566 @GenovaHoy @RichardHerson @theorbscureddj @bakerainlondon @TeddingtonTAG @JohnBobNaidoo @Tothepo85849100 @SwoozleH @ffssouthwark @KateProudman @JabbaTheGut5 @Jemima1931 @jay_vorani @NeilLancefield @skiesour @RAAN_BERKS @FlightFreeUK @cisha_org @A6FVC @bbcamberwell @ClareHluff @Joe_DMB @CHaus81737 @DanJGHolt The 4 inner stacks are designed to hold 6 aircraft each, at 1k ft intervals. There are also outer stacks further out and higher up on each arrival route.

@Joe_DMB @syonist @Chelsea_gerl @MuppetThumper @Claireparks76 @Rajverma47 @b_bear12345566 @GenovaHoy @RichardHerson @theorbscureddj @bakerainlondon @TeddingtonTAG @JohnBobNaidoo @Tothepo85849100 @SwoozleH @ffssouthwark @KateProudman @JabbaTheGut5 @Jemima1931 @jay_vorani @NeilLancefield @skiesour @RAAN_BERKS @FlightFreeUK @cisha_org @A6FVC @bbcamberwell @ClareHluff @CHaus81737 @DanJGHolt Yes that's a typo Joe. You see it quite often in European-written docs.

@jumpjim Do it. 👍

RT @PhillipsPOBrien: Good lord, an outright Putin apologist is named to be head of US national intelligence

@cobaltcatcat I'm not sure how we can deny physics? Can you articulate your point, please? Are you saying you don't think aircraft weight has anything to do with climb performance, and that all flights by a certain aircraft type should all perform the same regardless of weight?