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Tennis coach interested in motor learning, strategy, technique, habits. I write about tennis on substack.

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2 years
Where are the new GOAT-ing forehands?
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When the intern does the scouting report
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#Alcaraz , man. 171km/h forehand, crashing the net, drop shots, defensive hustle, baseline flicks. A constant barrage of ambitious endeavours. Subjective experience be damned, there is daylight between him and the field from an entertainment standpoint.
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#Rublev improved his backhand technically in the second-half of last year, reaching a higher power position in the setup. Can use more gravity and space to get better racquet head speed. Below is 2024 Aus Open backhands on the left, juxtaposed with 2023 Aus Open backhands. 1/2
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#Rune ’s the first player I can think of since #Djokovic and #Nadal who is capable of huge offensive groundies combined with the ability and mentality to go into lockdown mode and absorb.
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Can’t believe I overlooked the factor of killer bees in my Alcaraz / Zverev match preview
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An example of Alcaraz's exaggerated locked-wrist follow through. Maintains the strings on target for a long time. Great feature in backhands that can redirect well (Djoker, Korda, Mecir the cat had this too)
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@vanshv2k Nishioka can’t rush Karen; gives him time on bounce on both wings. Evans’ backhand slice is mincemeat for most lefty’s with a heavy ad-side Evans’ slice gets low to Karen’s extreme forehand and gives no pace to his shorter, ‘stumpy’ bh. Overly-simplified, but that’s my take
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#Alcaraz improved his service motion in 2023, creating more speed with better internal rotation of the shoulder before accelerating. Compare Miami to WTF (this change happened midway through the year) 1/n
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4 months
#Rune is so good at using his off hand to control his upper body when chipping/volleying/slicing on the forehand side. Alcaraz is similar on the forehand volley.
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“You have to find the joy in suffering” - Carlos Alcaraz Ice cold serving that out; quality shots from both
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1 year
Alcaraz to Sinner at the net: "Go for it man. I cheer for you." JFC. These two young guys. Pure class in every way.
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4 months
Technique dictates tactic. I admire Med for his mentality and adjustments, but he has hit a ceiling that Sinner is now stomping on.
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It’s not particularly common that a player and their coach haven’t already considered or tried the thing that pundits, commentators think they should be doing when losing. If only it were that simple. If only strategy was upstream from technique rather than the other way around
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2 years
@mattracquet I’d be interested in a journeyman episode: the hotels, the places, the travel these 250-500 ranked guys do for pennies, and how match fixing temptation intertwines with that.
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1 year
Medvedev is: - slicing backhands - sneaking in on floaters - using his own drop shot The best players are the best ADAPTERS. Meddy out here trying to solve a very difficult matchup for him.
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great players adapt, or, at least they try to
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@tnuy_x Washington 2009. Delpo and his weak forehand would go on to win the US Open a few weeks later
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1 year
Amazing how some people still think #Djokovic 's forehand isn't in the conversation for best of all-time. #Alcaraz is just melting the ball cross-court and Novak is just sending it back with interest from the corners. Over and over again.
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What’s the best version of Djoker? I personally think that first 6 months of 2011 was his highest level. Not as good on serve etc., but his bread and butter ground game and movement was off the charts.
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2011: 3 Grand Slam titles 2015: 3 Grand Slam titles 2021: 3 Grand Slam titles 2023: 3 Grand Slam titles Which @DjokerNole season is his best-ever? The man himself weighs in 🗣️
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#Cahill quick to give credit to Vagnozzi. "when you're good, you'll tell everyone. When you're great, they'll tell you." Mouratoglou will tell you he is good. Cahill is great. Sinner has a hell of a team.
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10 months
That last pick up is ridiculous.
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10 months
Roger Federer GOD MODE 🥶 When @rogerfederer saved 3 match points vs Zverev in Shanghai!
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6 months
Amazing from Sinner. Feel for Medvedev. Brutal loss only because he was brilliant and brave enough to change plans and put himself in a winning position.
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7 months
2024 ATP predictions: - #Alcaraz finishes #1 - #Rune finishes top-5 - A Spaniard wins #RG - #Ruud gets back to Tour finals - #Sinner reaches a slam final - #Hurkacz has his best Wimbledon - #Medjedovic finishes top-50 - #Prizmic reaches top-100 - #Fonseca finishes top-150
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6 months
Alcaraz going high and heavy with serves to the backhand (bad) and hard to the AZ forehand (bad). Need to flip the script here mate. Heavy and patient to the FH, slice/lower to the backhand.
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Felix Auger Aliassime is ever so slightly bending that backhand into shape. 2019 vs 2023 vs Miami 2024 Needs to get the left elbow closer in to the body, but this is trending in the right direction.
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#Alcaraz is great at moving through and attacking high volleys with confidence. Notice how he uses the left arm to stop his body from rotating/opening. This allows him to get swingy on the volley but keep his path on target and not across his body too much. 1/n
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Some might prefer a fiery rivalry, but it’s pretty cool seeing two young future ATG’s able to separate the battle from just being a good fella and having a laugh and a chat. Pretty damn wholesome
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It’s a great day in tennis. TennisTV appears to have made revolutionary updates to their interface, which allows users to go back 10 seconds (or more!) during a live recording.
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There’s a good argument that middleweight tennis is the sweet spot for entertainment. Guys not tall enough to servebot, and who play with speed and control from the back and look to attack by stealing time: Demon v Evans ATP cup, evans v Carlos here. Big-3 etc.
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2 months
Alcaraz adjusted his return position just there. Stood closer in, got some lucky short returns that were effective, and overall just gave Zverev a different look. Also massaging the ball more - taking heat off. This kid is a shapeshifter
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Sometimes I feel like the narrative arc of Rune’s career is so like young Djokovic: - Precocious talent overshadowed by a Spaniard and established great✅ - lack of self-awareness with crowds✅ - great backhand✅ - and now he’s missing overheads on top of the net✅
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5 months
54% is what you need to be dominating the tour. Always such a wild number to me.
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Jannik Sinner is the best player in the world today. Period. The 22yo Italian won Rotterdam yesterday & is 44-5 since Wimbledon. What percentage of points has he won? Just 54%. 👀😳 Click below to read my blog analysis.
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"I think my backhand and my footwork to the backhand has improved a lot". Hard agree CR. Check out the difference in set-ups below. Before, Fritz would have been heavily favoured in BH exchanges. Not anymore.
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#Medvedev v #Zverev always so cagey. The former lacks power but has control in his forehand, the latter has power on tap but deep down knows he doesn’t have control of that shot. Forces both into wars of attrition when the pressure rises
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Unreal performance from Djokovic. The serve, the change-of-direction control, the increased forehand potency. As well as I have ever seen him play.
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Pretty much exactly when Lars was on the way out and Patrick Oo La La Mouratoglou took over.
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It was not that long ago -- 20 May 2023, to be precise -- when Holger Rune had a 7-1 career record against Top 5 players. It's 7-11 now.
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Novak pulling the trigger very early and leaking errors. To me, that’s a sign that he knows he can’t go toe-to-toe like this in extended rallies for 5 sets with Sinner’s ball.
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2 years
Court level is always so much more intense!!
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47 seconds of @DjokerNole ’s art (from yesterday)! ❤️‍🔥 #RolexParisMaster
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That's one of the greatest displays of tennis I've ever seen.
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Watching #Lehecka and #Medvedev . DM is loving the pace he can absorb off JL's ball. Lehecka would do well to incorporate a backand slice into his game and get DM further up the court on a low/slow ball, but the biggest difference in their games is the serve. A key position diff:
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Is #Fonseca ’s backhand better than the forehand? Scary prospect off the ground for a 17-yr old. Top 20 in two years
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1 year
Groundstroke speeds (km/h) from TennisTV over the last couple of days. No idea how they include slice/drop shots etc. into this but #Cerundolo 's forehand is an absolute hammer. Also, he swings a beast of a stick.
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Lag/whip/speed/spin are all sacrificed for directional control in the ND game. Pays off handsomely when it counts the most, over and over again. Roger and Rafa can have the variation and spin; live by the sword. ND wants the shield—in modern conditions it has been rewarded.
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Djokovic in the 1st and 2nd tiebreaks (most influential moments of match). Long points and a difference of error rate
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Had a good chuckle at this. Ump: "Just because he stands there and doesn't continue to play, that's not grounds for hindrance." ND *lawyer speak activated*: "yes...but.. the situation...was such...where..." Just slinging all manner of english words and hoping one would stick.
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"He literally stopped" 🤯 A moment of contention during Novak Djokovic vs Luca Nardi... #TennisParadise
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Carlos with the taped right arm again. I do wonder if *part* of the arm-pain/wrist injury discourse and overall prevalence is not just with the balls, but also the trend toward lighter racquets. Less mass = more shock to the arm
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Crazy how short this turnaround is. In a game as technical and physically demanding as tennis, 16 days of pure training block without the hassle of travel/match pressure is just too short. Meaningful change/improvement would be way easier if these players had 2 months off
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What the next few weeks look like for Carlos Alcaraz as he gets ready for 2024
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Petchey on the air just now: “Alcaraz has been averaging 160km/h on his plus-one shot after the serve”
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Alcaraz is so good at playing the dropper in the opposite direction players are usually split-stepping. I’d say >80% of the time he finds that difference
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#Draper went from very flexed as a junior to very extended with his wrist position on the forehand and I am here for it. First pic from: second: Great athlete. Stay healthy 🙏
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Wild when you see Djokovic really go on offense with power. Reminds you just how within himself he usually plays as a steady baseliner
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That 6-5 Zverev forehand was one of the tightest shots I’ve ever seen
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3 months
Had a lot of fun on the @Gill_Gross pod this week!
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📰: Tsitsipas's Backhand, Ruud's Defense, Sinner's Easy Power, Alcaraz's Serve | Coach's Mailbag ft. @ThreadOrder 🎙️: 📽️:
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The backhand down-the-line is such an important shot in tennis today: the running forehand bleeds so many errors yet most players can only expose it well with the forehand. Djoker, Meddy, Zverev have that shot up their sleeve
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Tsitsipas’ inside-in forehand is the best in the game for me.
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For $165 a pop lets hope @TennisTV has the funds to implement some groundbreaking code that allows users to rewind 10 seconds during live feeds. I am forced to pay this because I am addicted to tennis.
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Scary part about that match is that it could have easily been 6/2 6/1 if a couple of points went #Sinner ’s way. Winning 46% (!) of #Shelton ’s first serve points on return
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The Felix BH places such a ceiling on his game. I thought he hit it quite well for stretches tonight and played a damn good match/would beat 99.5% of tour, but for him, the next level is joining the 0.5%, and he can't get there with his current BH.
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Sinner is building an aura now. Just routined Lehecka - who didn’t play well - but Sinner looks dangerous all over the court
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@BastienFachan @netflix Don't know how you can't like this guy: very honest/heart on the sleeve, a bit of a rascal on the court but walks the line well, very unique game, fighter, excellent player. The game needs more Medvedev's
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#Ruud has made a subtle change in his backhand this year and it is looking so much better against pace. He's really impressed me in his first two matches here in Turin. Went 0W 5UE v #FAA in 2 sets (tidy) and now 2W 8UE v #Fritz tonight in 3 sets (for him very tidy)
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Tennis is lucky to have this kind of class from the next King’s of tennis
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@mattracquet Stef and shapo should go to Wawrinka training camp
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That forehand would have absolutely rocked college players. Crazy part for me is that I think I like his backhand even more. Will write a little about him soon. Still on holidays 😎
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Tennis world…. Joao Fonseca has arrived.
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Interesting that #Sinner is the 3rd favourite in markets for RG, Wimby, and the US, behind #Alcaraz and #Djokovic (in that order). Alcaraz’s season has been sub-optimal physically. Djoker out of form by his standards Sinner was *this close* to beating Tsitsipas in MC
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Dimitrov v Alcaraz is electric. Some outrageous combinations of court position/footwork/shot selection. Like “sliding transition angled drop volley” is the best way to describe certain shots in this encounter.
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Tough again for Rublev. I think he makes a slam semi in the next 12 months.
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Tennis Unleashed showing #Shelton ’s forehand change in the off-season. Closer to modern/lowered the elbow.
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For sure a 1-min service hold if I had ball boys. Lost the set 6-4 to this junior but only got this game on video so I guess I’m the real winner. Tested out swing vision for the first time and it’s pretty solid
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#Alcaraz ’s line backhand return on ad court has been big at Wim. Versus Rune set point (set 1), multiple occasions v Meddy. Set point v Novak. Novak felt pressure there; 2 missed BH’s in net in a row (RARE), then went to s&v down set point. Actually kind of a tap out. Game on
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Break point conversion is such a key metric in this sport. Last couple of days have shown that: Machac won more points but went 2/19 on BPs (Khach 2/3) Dimitrov went 1/11 vs Borges (Borges 4/7) Ruud went 1/10 vs Norrie (Norrie 4/6) Ruus went 5/18 vs Meddy (Med 8/16)
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I've said it before but this kind of "middleweight" encounter is one of the most exciting advertisements for what is possible in the game. A thread:
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Tough matchup for #Dimitrov I feel, specifically, because I think #Sinner 's BH is well positioned to handle Dimi's slice once he is adjusted. Grigor won't be able to find relief with that shot as much as he did against Alcaraz or Zverev. Sinner in 2.
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Looking forward to #Rune v #Sinner tomorrow. Don’t think the Dane will have the legs after today, but he does lead the H2H 2-1.
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Williams, coach of Koepfer: "you just have to stay patient. If he's (Med) going to stand 10 feet back, then he can't hurt you. As long as you're not stupid & you don't blast every ball, it's fine. It's just going to be a long rally, you have to accept it."
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@Olly_Tennis_ Carlos, Evans, dimitrov
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Watching a replay of Rune v Dimitrov. I've said it before a couple of times in some of my writing, but Rune is such a shapeshifter in terms of style; can lock down (especially on BH) like meddy, then tee off with stupid power in both directions on both wings, plus come forward.
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Leaning #Djokovic . Better server, movement has looked pretty good. Last year Carlos had a great serving and forehand day. Djoker going to test out the wide Alcaraz forehand again and again.
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GOAT company
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How Carlos Alcaraz's first 200 matches on the Tour stack up against the greats 💪
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Machac v Arnaldi is a belter of a fourth-round considering both are unseeded. Not for long, I think.
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Feel like this match will be a tale of forehands: - Can Alcaraz find the balance between aggression and patience? He overcooked it in Aus. Needs angle and height to create genuine short balls. - Can Zverev’s hold up under pressure? He did it 2 years ago here at RG and won.
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8 months
A player for the purists
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Charlie and the Highlight Reel Factory🥳
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Jannik is a beast of a player now. Looks more physical and intense than Novak so far.
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Seyboth Wild's average forehand speed is 136km/h so far.
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This is how you grow the game in 2024. I watch a lot of tennis, but still find myself watching Karue’s matches because there’s a great narrative here that you get an inside scoop on. Straight from the player to you; no intermediary, no PR angle. Raw, real, and a hell of a player
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Karue Sell
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Hey guys. I posted a video yesterday of a match I played. This morning I woke up with the video being blocked by @ATPMedia for copyright issues. I OWN ALL OF THE FOOTAGE. Not 1 sec of it has ATP content. Didn't only happen to me. Fix this now
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de Minaur lowballing the Zverev forehand so well. Zverev isn’t comfortable generating on that wing; he gets sucked into a weak shot and then demon attacks! Love it
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Said this before but I can’t remember a player ever being as aggressive as #Alcaraz as a total package. Sure we’ve had tactically aggressive players like Boris/Mac/Pistol/Edberg/Rafter who came forward at every op, and we’ve had aggressive baseliners…(cont’d)
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The AO draw will obviously matter but #Dimitrov has my attention. Bunch of top-10 wins the last 12-months. Last time he won Brisbane was 2017; made AO semis against Nadal in an epic.
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You don’t need confidence to play well. You need *competence*. The latter leads to the former.
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Olly 🎾🇬🇧
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🇨🇭 When Stan Wawrinka candidly revealed that he suffered a panic attack before the 2016 US Open Final Vs Novak Djokovic, and was close to retiring during the match: "A lot of people are asking me how I was able to take the court, nonchalantly, when five minutes prior to that I
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@Big3Tennis Counting titles is a poor metric as they each prefer certain conditions (RN clay, ND medium hard, Fed fast) and were--to some extent--at the mercy of organizers as to who would win. (E.g., night scheduling in semi-final at AO helped Novak, hurt Fedal IMO).
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Med going to have to attack Carlos, stand closer in on return, and have a great volley day. Carlos going to have to stay balanced with his attack, keep the ball low when med comes forward, and try and rush med’s forehand on second serve returns
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Nadal's last possible match at RG may come down to the performance of his backhand way more than the forehand. Needs to fire that crosscourt into the Zverev forey all day.
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#Sinner has performed best at HC/indoor so far in his career but I think his game is better suited to clay: combines huge spin with power, good lateral mvmt, clay blunts serve differential against elite servers, and clay gives his laggy FH more time. RG best slam chance?
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#AO24 final thoughts: #Sinner 🔑: - Take BH line more and find FH to FH patterns - Serve & volley WIDE (especially deuce): volley SHORT - Use sharp angles to bring Med forward/expose deep position - Mix in FH drop shot. - Of course, serve well.
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This argument is 100% tactical from ND. Alcaraz was humming along there with momentum
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Feel pretty confident saying That’s the best set of tennis Ruud has ever played. And he just got monstered in the TB.
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Sinner press (I'm paraphrasing): Q: Your serve improved last year after making a change? What's that process like? Were you apprehensive or nervous to try that in a new tournament? A: I'm always the kind of player who doesn't want to waste time if its the best thing to do...1/n
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9 months
Feel like sinner is almost more consistent on wider sliding forehands than he is on regular open stance forehands
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7 months
Can see the different pause position.
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8 months
This is why it’s hard to see technical change in tennis players. They often are working on the weaknesses people point out, but moving things a couple of inches is like moving mountains once you have such muscle memory. Not impossible, but hard, especially with ATP calendar
@joshlukenichols
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8 months
I did the same drill for hours a day, 6 days a week, for over a year And probably changed my arm movement by just a couple inches It took an enormous amount of daily effort to make the slightest change So you can't expect to make big changes quickly
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