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I can’t believe it’s 2023 and a Kr history account with a large following still believes that these hats are Korean…. For those who aren’t aware they are Song dynasty style - nothing to do with Goryeo.
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Apparently calling a calender that has been calculated and modified by Chinese observatories for millennia “Chinese calendar” is racist now…
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It bothers me so much that they were like, oh it has its “roots” in ancient China as if changes were made when the tradition was introduced to Korea. No, the “Korean” zodiac is EXACTLY the same as Chinese zodiac. Please don’t call it Korean when it hasn’t been localized at all.
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Just some random photos of Songjin brocades I found on Xiaohongshu.
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Artefacts found in a tomb located in Chongqing, dating back to the Western Han dynasty (circa 186 BC).
Source: official Weibo account of the Chongqing Cultural Relics and Archaeology Research Institute
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Mural from a recently discovered late-Tang dynasty tomb.
Credit: ?
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I’m gonna be straightforward here. It’s mind boggling how some people genuinely believe the following style is Korean… When no relics of such outfit have been found in Korea during the same era.
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A rare set of Northen Wei (435) murals showing daily activities of Han Chinese alongside Xianbei people. The Chinese gods, Nuwa and Fuxi, were painted on the ceiling of the complex.
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伽罗笠 (Jia Luo Li), an interesting style of wide brim hat that has typically been worn by Chinese Buddhist monks since Ming & Qing dynasties.
Credits:
?
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There appears to be a fundamental misunderstanding regarding the definition of Ruqun. Whether or not the top is tucked into the skirt is completely irrelevant. Its nomenclature is ultimately determined by the design & cut of the top (see relics dating back to Han & Jin dynasties)
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Just one of the examples that reveals the lack of credibility of this paper :
A Tang dynasty servant has somehow become a Goryeo women in 13-14C.
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Would like to clarify that most of these “Yan relics” aren’t from Yan. Item 1 & 5 were excavated in Nanjing (historical capital Jin dynasty) which was never taken by Yan. Item 2, 3 and 4 were made in AD 301 and 324, before any of the Yan kingdoms was even established.
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袴褶服 - the uniform of court officials during Tang dynasty prior to its ban around 762AD.
#hanfu
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Me: can’t even draw a proper circle
Ancient people: let’s make some paintings but instead of actually drawing them why we don’t weave them from silk threads by hand 🥸
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A recent discovery of a Ming dynasty tomb complex found a total of 84 textile pieces (most of them are still undergoing restoration). Can’t wait for the final report!
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Is it that difficult for people to stop labelling relics that clearly are Chinese or depicting Chinese characters/figures as foreign?
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3D rendering of a small Southern dynasty (420-589AD) palace by 櫼栌落
Full restoration:
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“Not only the Korean people but also various subjugated peoples such as the Jurchen people existed”. Dude Bohai/Balhae was literally a Mohe (Manchu)-lead kingdom. This was confirmed by both Tang dynasty records and Korea’s Samguk Sagi and Samguk Yusa.
6. 남북국 시대
발해의 역사적 인식과 별개로
고구려로부터 이어지는 발해의 계보가 당시 만주에 큰 영향을 끼쳤음은 부정할 수 없습니다.
여진족이란 이름으로 남아있던 발해인이 있었습니다.
발해부흥운동에는 단순히 한민족뿐만 아니라 여진족 등의 여러 피지배 민족도 존재했습니다.
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Now Yuan and Ming’s menswear have also become Korean lmao
@mingyuerugu
@mayoandcandy
@zhnggu99724094
After Yuan, Ming declared new country. But many cultures of Yuan are heritage of Ming.
-> Ming was affected by Goryeo.
That's why Yuan and Ming's clothes are similar to Goryeo. This pic is earlier 15c Chosun.
양심... 넌 양심도 없냐?
자기 문화가 아니면서 이상한 요행만 하네
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@SundaysNerd
I think the main point is that does the outfit ONLY appear in religious paintings? This particular Tang style can be confirmed by multiple murals depicting real life Tang women so I would say it’s more than valid to confirm its existence.
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Idk who the artist is but the half sleeved tops from picture # 1, 3 and 4 weren’t from Goryeo as they were derived from Banbi from Song dynasty…. Extremely inappropriate to label it as Korean/Goryeoyang when no relics about this style from Goryeo era have ever been found.
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Again, the fact that they don’t know Lunar New Year is an incorrect term while trying to ban people from calling it CNY is astonishing. And of course calling it Korean New year is completely fine and not hypocritical at all.
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Various forms of 水田衣 Shuitianyi (also sometimes called Bainayi) seen in old photos.
Patchwork ragged clothes 百衲衣，Taoist priest in China, 1930s.
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I’ve been obsessed with this hand-carved Qing dynasty food box.
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Who on earth believes that these Greek hairstyles resemble the Chinese 环髻 hairstyle?
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At this point this account just can’t stop spreading disinformation. The general trend of Song and Yuan was NOT Ruqun but Shanqun and Aoqun…
고려양에 대한 논문 등지에서 유군(襦裙)에서 오군(袄裙) 으로 대세가 바뀌었다. 는 단어를 중국측 입장에서 이민족풍을 설명한 것에 가까습니다.
한국에선 삼국시대의 상의를 장유 라고 하는 둥 유, 오, 의 가 혼용 되어왔거든요... 같은 이유로 원삼도 삼이지만 홑옷은 따로 홑원삼이라구 부르죠.
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The fact that NO ONE objected to this before it was published is scary. I can’t help but think these misconceptions have literally been planted into almost every Korean person’s mind.
Care to comment?
@MMMDRAWSS
@Goryodynasty
@lina_carola
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@KQftATDLk7CRLdD
Hey the tombs aren’t located in Astana/Nur-Sultan, Kazakhstan but in Astana, Turfan, Xinjiang where many Han people resided there at the time… and the second figure wasn’t even from Tang but Former Liang (364 AD), one of the Chinese kingdoms during sixteen kingdoms period.
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@3506P
The fact that they call the Hanfu on the right “Goryeo style��� is completely baseless and is really disrespectful. Even the entire “early Ming being Goryeoyang” notion was invented by that one Naver article promoted by ultranationalists…
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Finally got my hands on this gem of a book! Pardon my photography skills🙈
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@hanbok_study
That’s estimated to be from the 1400s during early Joseon. The following Chinese relics are from the Three Kingdoms (220-280) and Jin dynasty (265-420). So you are saying Goryeoyang travelled through time and space and somehow affected Chinese outfits at the time?
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Dehua porcelain is simply exquisite.
Image source:
Special Exhibition of Dehua White Porcelain at the National Museum of China, can't believe that even the clothes are made of white porcelain!🤩🤩🤩
#中国风
#ChineseStyle
#xianxia
#wuxia
📷@老猪的碎碎念
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“The Xianbei of the Ming Dynasty were the ruling people”. Dude what?
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Just saw someone saying “there are no flowers on New Year’s day in China”. I’m dead right now.
Pic 1 - 岁朝图 (New Year’s Painting) from various ancient dynasties
Pic 2-4 - Modern day 年花 (also called 年宵花)
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@3506P
星湖僿說 was written in 18th century though so everything regarding Yuan was pure speculation by the author. Also the theory would only be plausible if Song dynasty didn’t already have the same Banbi style as Yuan.
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I wish all the best for the artist but this is just straight up offensive…
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Posted for future Hanfu reference!
Yuan dynasty figurines (1295 AD)
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I’m surprised at how most people are unaware that gumiho is the Korean transliteration of the Chinese Jiuweihu and that they are in most part the same thing.
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I love that some of these self-proclaimed “sensible” Hanbok accounts suddenly disappeared when Knetz cyberbullied this Chinese Donghua video for… literally being historically accurate. I applaud those who actually have spoken out though.
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It’s been months and I’ve still been waiting for your explanation on why Song and Liao both had this style which appeared earlier than your so called Goryeoyang 🙂🙂
@HanbokPantry
#China
#Hanfu
#汉服 #漢服
#ChineseStyle
#大帽
#Big_hat
#笠帽 #한푸
#Korean_Hanbok_challenge
#Hanbok
#한복 #韓服 #チマチョゴリ
#Gat
#갓 #고려양
#Gaoliyang
#高麗樣
업데이트 기념 고려양 복습
Explanation of Chinese professors and research papers about Gaoliyang.
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The Chinese counterpart of these traditions were developed during Ming & Qing dynasties so they have nothing to do with ancient Yue people (who btw had mostly no connection to the modern Vietnamese people).
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@click1031
@Zoey25675745
@nuannua19142430
Like, that’s not true at all? Of course Hanfu has pants? Also Hanfu isn’t limited to just H shaped silhouette? Eastern Han dynasty, three kingdoms and the subsequent Jin dynasty were known for their wide and puffy skirts.
Pic 1-2 Han dynasty
Pic 3-4 Jin dynasty (266-420 AD)
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At this point people simply can’t make anything Ming related otherwise it’s automatically considered “Northeast project”.
한복은 한국의 옷입니다. 저 영상에 명나라 옷이 아닌 것도 나왔네요. 중국의 역사왜곡과 동북공정이 심한 모양입니다
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Uh where’s the skirt in your 1st and 3rd pic?
Also if we go by your logic: wide pants also played a role in making Chinese dresses/skirts puffy (pic 1-3) so can I just pick a random A-line skirt (pic 4) from Song dynasty and assume all other Song dynasty skirts were puffy too?
It has been recorded since the Three Kingdoms period that wide pants played a role in making skirts into A-line in Korean dress. This continues into the Joseon Hanbok. Although Goryeo has few relics, still can find out the pants under the skirt.
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So women during early Joseon did wear Ming dynasty’s Aoqun 襖裙 to some extent?
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What is it with some Knetz and their obsession with claiming Chinese relics as Korean? First the murals from Dongshou’s tomb, then the Longquan celadons, then paintings that are so obviously Ming/Qing style.
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@3506P
@ling21113
@agentofheaven
@UndoubtedlyABot
The first image was painted in the late 14th century. Both the second and the third image were earlier than the Korean mural (late 13th to early 14C). Picture 4 is indeed from Ming dynasty but it’s a continuation of Song, Liao & Yuan not Goryeo.
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How tf were they able to carve out ELEVEN separate layers from just one piece of raw material…
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Correct Correct
Correct Wrong
Please report if you ever see the last one.
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袴褶服 from Northern & Southern dynasties (420-589AD)
袴褶服 - the uniform of court officials during Tang dynasty prior to its ban around 762AD.
#hanfu
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I’m gonna start keeping a tally every time I hear things like “Ming hanfu was influenced by Goryeo” from now on😂
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Found this piece of a child riding a sheep while browsing for Cao Wei (220-266 AD) artefacts. Just wondering if what I’m seeing here could possibly be 裲裆？
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@Qianqianyqty
Song dynasty (not sure if it’s Northern or Southern) also seemed to have this style. This photo was taken by someone who visited the Dazu rock carvings in Chongqing.
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@Qianqianyqty
DianCui hairpins, shaved head of the child, threaded coin set + round collar shirt with middle parting, none of which existed in goryeo but instead are characteristics of Chinese paintings during the late Ming to Qing period.
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I’m still obsessed over their Kesi woven Moxiong🥹
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Personally I don’t think knetz who adamantly believe in the theory that Ming dynasty clothing originated from Goryeo are Korean nationalists. They are just idiots who lacks critical thinking skills and indulge in their own echo chamber full of disinformation - like those cnetz —
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“The 14th-century hanbok style was imported to the Yuan Dynasty through Goryeo”. Is this seriously what an average Knetz believe in?
p.s. the “style” being the basic combination of a cross-collared top & a skirt…
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@xianzhunukexing
@Wanan666666
@HanbokPantry
Oh and don’t forget about this - somehow the practice of 合卺酒/交杯酒 that has been passed down for thousands of years is suddenly not a Chinese tradition. And yes it even existed in Qing and has been preserved since then through modern times.
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Tang dynasty royals were literally Han supremacists… Taizong sentenced a monk to death just because he claimed that the emperor was of Xianbei descendent…
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Showing receipts about a certain account being nationalistic and sinophobic of course landed me being blocked by one of their supporters.
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@3506P
@gcg78247537
I don’t agree with calling people with foul names, but the third image from your post clearly wasn’t Goryeoyang, as such outfits had already been prevalent during early Yuan. Here are some relics that were excavated from the Liu family tomb dated back to 1260 to 1270s.
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These types of Qing dynasty paintings are called 职贡图 and their accuracy are severely skewed and stereotypes. Many of these artists had actually not seen a foreign outfit like this but only painted it based on imagination or secondary recount.
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@xianzhunukexing
@Wanan666666
@HanbokPantry
He can’t even tell apart Han Chinese clothing from Manchu clothing🤦♀️
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@yonggarii_
@travelerwithLUV
@MMMDRAWSS
@tAFQJQSa3IDrkWE
Here are just a few out of the hundreds of ludicrous comments made by Hanbok Pantry. Slapping the Korean/Goryeo label on Chinese celadon figures despite having been corrected a million times is definitely an ultranationalist move.
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@9758898k
@ljl13023992
@GLOLIA15
You do realize that these murals are from Mogao grottoes, China (Tang dynasty) right? The first person wasn’t even Korean… here are some hats worn by Chinese civilians/farmers during the same time period……
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Idk if this is what the average Korean person thinks but I’ve seen quite a few people complaining about Hanfu’s white collar strip. Like bro it was literally invented by ancient Chinese and later adopted by people of Joseon….
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@exinum0457
@pinecone312
@mekosuda
@XieRubie
Those two are just some styles of the Ming dynasty. The male outfit specifically belongs to a type of royal guards. Here are more images to show the difference between civilian outfits. We do not claim the Korean ones as Chinese.
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@3506P
Goryeo didn’t even have any short cross-collared tops until the very END (14th century) whereas earlier dynasties of China such as Song and Liao had similar clothes to Early Ming. Please stop referring to such attire as “Goryeo style”.
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The serpent tails of Nuwa and Fuxi somehow became skirt decorations?
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@BidoLeovina
@charlichan81
@redagaintsblue
Wuxia is literally a genre of novel created in the last century by Chinese authors, incorporating traditional Chinese fantasy stories and folk cultures… It’s fine to be inspired by it but it’s inappropriate to label it as “traditionally Korean”.
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