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Are Twin Peaks and Evangelion the most significant works of art of the last 30 years? Does anything else even come close?
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it's shocking that Jung wrote a thousand fucking books yet had almost nothing to say about society – about the way society affects the individual, and vice versa (he lived through the Nazi era, for fuck's sake) – it's all vague bullshit about the Self, "individuation",
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Still no job, no girl, no children, no promising future; autumn weather is finally here . . . yeah, I'm thinking we are back*
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The more I look at online perverts – both sex perverts and intellectual perverts, e.g. occultists – the more I get what Žižek means by "The true revolutionary position is hysteria, not perversion." Per-verts merely in-vert orthodoxy; they need orthodoxy, and orthodoxy needs them.
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the monotonous blandness of Tolkien's style is integral to his Rousseauian ideological project – if any one of his characters were charged with charisma, the reader would notice the falsity of Tolkien's depiction of Power as something purely political & external to man (the Ring)
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Hard to believe that the Girl I was nearly going to kill myself over last year now feels like one person among many. Vanity of vanities.
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it would now be a miracle for the average movie to look like this
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Anyone who doesn't believe in platonic or spiritual love – any reductionist who thinks that love can be boiled down to sex – must have never experienced the kind of infatuation that not only does not make you horny, but temporarily paralyzes your libido
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remember when we used to make fun of Japanese people for being on the Internet all the time and never having sex and stuff? ha ha ha ha yeah
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Helen of Troy was so pretty her face "launched a thousand ships" – the Iliad acknowledges this: politics & war as the result of eros – but Tolkien has to pretend that you can get rid of politics & war by throwing a ring away – therefore his characters MUST be blank, genderless &c
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if I made a million dollars a year just by talking I would mock writers (& everyone else on the planet) too
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I feel sorry for people who are obsessed with the Truth about 9/11, Epstein, &c because if you read Herodotus you'll know that never finding out the truth about historical events is deep Lindy – "some say the guy was murdered; some say he died in his sleep; I don't fucking know"
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American/Anglo culture is what happens when Protestants imitate Roman culture – you get the rhetoric, the pragmatism, the imperialism, the law-and-order worship, and the decadence, but not the love of beauty and leisure.
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hard to make Anglos understand that (post-)Christian kitsch like Tolkien or most American cinema is not Lindy because the idea of the Hero as a purely Good Guy is completely absent from classical literature – heroes are flawed, deformed, amoral, even immoral monsters
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Torquato Tasso, who went literally mad, influenced Hamlet, who feigned madness. Both Tasso & Hamlet then influenced Goethe, who however did not go mad. Finally, both Hamlet & Goethe influenced Nietzsche, who again went mad. Sounds like a Borges story, yet nobody talks about this.
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A lot of the nonsense people believe in is a result of assuming that everyone else thinks like you – scientists assume that people who are into astrology want accurate & scientifically provable predictions; philosophers assume that medieval peasants thought like philosophers; &c.
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Film noir is a great genre because it captures everything that matters about the human experience—hating your life, needing money & needing it now, feeling like everyone's trying to kill you, wanting to fuck a beautiful lady no matter the cost, failing at everything all the time,
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the problem with conspiracy theories is not that they are "wrong" but that they are infantilizing (which is why they are so popular in America) – they make you see yourself as a helpless baby/victim, & the big Other as a parent-figure who knows everything, controls everything, &c
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this is the kind of bullshit that pop-Marxists like to tell themselves. they know nothing about history – they've somehow forgotten that proto-capitalistic Florence and London gave us Dante and Shakespeare, that modern "leisure" was made possible by capitalism & industrialism, &c
@Souchousama
Ppl have been discussing this for decades, capitalism erodes creativity and leisure. Willam Defoe and OP are both right, OP is just pointing out circumstances
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Americans are literally unable to watch a film without trying to determine which character you're supposed to "root for" because he's the "good guy"
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Everyone & everything in this picture is the blandest shit I've ever seen. It's the exact opposite of beauty. It's nothing. It's the void. American art is dead
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The appeal of perversion kind of goes away once you realize that orthodoxy is always-already perverted, unnatural, &c. By raging against orthodoxy, perverts legitimize & uphold it as what is Good & normal. Instead of challenging the notion of Good, they simply invert Good & Evil.
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"The mere pursuit of health always leads to something unhealthy." —Chesterton (1908)
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Although the idea of Literature as Wisdom isn't without merit, this Jungian/Petersonian/whatev obsession with turning Homer & the Bible &c into Life Lessons is kind of disgusting – both consumeristic & narcissistic – "take Plato, not Prozac!" – even Art only exists to please you.
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New weird Marinotheory: "Plot twists" are not an eternal element of storytelling but something that people in the 1990s came up with because now that History was over, stories could only be interesting in a purely formal or internal way, with no relation to the real world.
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You can tell that Overlord (2018) is a 21st-century American movie because the only characters who are allowed to feel sexual desire are the Nazis.
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The *huge* difference between American & Japanese pop culture is that American pop culture is mostly about non-children & non-childish themes, but treats them childishly; whereas Japanese pop culture is often about children & teenagers, but takes them as seriously as Shakespeare.
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Being a good person doesn't make you a classic
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implying that "he" doesn't do exactly the same, i.e. read BAP-style pop biology, Sun Tzu & the art of bizness, and Peterson's rules for life
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reminder that the modern notion of "childhood" was basically invented in the 17th century, and made even weirder by the Romantics (esp. Wordsworth) who further combined the Locke/Rousseau myth of childhood innocence with the quasi-Gnostic myth of the child as divine and visionary
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Asexual right-wingers are so clueless they think porn is "hypersexualizing" life. But Internet porn is a black hole, sucking sexuality away from every other area of culture & society. We now live in a puritan's wet dream: unless you log on, you will never see a vagina ever again.
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Pretty sad that people read Dante's Inferno but not Purgatorio/Paradiso, Faust Part One but not Part Two, Alice in Wonderland but not Through the Looking-Glass, etc. The 2nd part of a canonical work is often better & weirder—so weird, in fact, that the mainstream can't absorb it.
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"Ingmar Bergman has revealed that he was a great admirer of Adolf Hitler, only losing his enthusiasm for Nazism after the horrors of the concentration camps were uncovered . . . 'The Nazism I had seen seemed fun and youthful,' he admitted" lol
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The gap between people like Peterson & my galaxy brain is that Peterson thinks "Marxism" turned "cultural" because it was defeated on the economic level, while I think that anti-"cultural Marxism" is the result of America *winning* on the economic level—"I won, yet I'm sad. Why?"
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Love it when I'm drinking my coffee so I can survive the day only to have someone recite dictionary definitions of things to me & inform me that "Israel isn't a country" because it's built on colonialism & violence unlike Real Countries which are built on God, magic, love & peace
The true op of this genre of graphic is to prime people to perform Twitter threads IRL at times when you should just be enjoying coffee and making small talk with a friend. The op has mostly succeeded
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Peterson, like Nietzsche, thinks that ressentiment is how one copes with defeat. But Oscar Wilde, as a good Hegelian, was wiser: "There are only two tragedies. One is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it. The last is much the worst; the last is a real tragedy."
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"Charisma is always sexually dual" (i.e. a combination of masculine & feminine traits) is perhaps Camille Paglia's greatest insight. Once you get what she means you start seeing it everywhere. Really enriches your understanding of actors, politicians, literary characters, &c
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you can tell that Dante is Catholic while Milton is Protestant not because of some subtle theological nonsense but because the Divine Comedy is actually a Human Comedy – it's about real individuals – whereas Paradise Lost is about such abstract bullshit as God & Satan, Adam & Eve
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Both of them looked much better before they went full post-human gym rat tbh
You date a pretty girl or you can create one
the world is clay. You can mold it
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in this respect, Jung is the Dostoevsky to Freud's Tolstoy (or rather, he's a Dostoevsky character who thinks he's Dostoevsky)
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A hidden gem, from Harold Bloom’s Western Canon list: Alberto Moravia’s late novel 1934 (published in 1982). At the risk of overselling it, I can only describe it as “DEATH IN VENICE (meets VERTIGO) but heterosexual and Italian”
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you know you've gone full Baudelaire-Dostoevskian Flâneur Loner if you're walking around at night (no, not that late) & you probably look so pitiful that a bunch of girls (no, not prostitutes) stop you & ask whether you "don't have anyone to keep you company – a dog or something"
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cultural decline is when a spoof film from 1991 looks better than most "real" films from 2021
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Likewise, people who are into the occult &c don't challenge the notion of Truth at all – they just go "science is false, anti-science is true."
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wondering if Americans are in love with the idea of "trauma" because it's a way for the past-less country to have a past
Do you ever just sit around and suddenly remember that you've been living through an unprecedented traumatic crisis event for the past year and a half and will probably be dealing with the profound psychological consequences for years to come lol
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In my opinion all a movie has to do to be "good" is to create a world you believe in and want to spend some time in, like you're on vacation. Which is why both "refinement culture" and the overuse of CGI are the death of cinema.
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My favorite thing about 2001: A Space Odyssey is that Kubrick portrays God or the Spirit or Evolution not as some heavenly light or divine spark but as a black slab of disquieting perfection & fearful symmetry, a platonic form dæmonic.
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The main feature of, and problem with, Christianity, and esp. Protestantism, is its belief in "universality" – its intolerance for the coexistence of day and night, written and unwritten rules, order and carnivalesque chaos – if something is Good, then it must be so at all times.
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the ultimate Internet brain virus would be to believe that love & beauty are biochemical illusions but demons & evil are literally real
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You could write a really long essay on everything that Twin Peaks and Evangelion have in common, which I think is no accident. Both are summaries of the conscience of the same era – our era.
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@nickusen
the guy shouting "things are worse than EVURR" sounds like Mike Stoklasa, which makes it even funnier
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Okay guys, I was wrong about Lovecraft. Some of his stuff is unreadable, but some of it is actually good, or fascinating. Lovecraft fans are dumb & probably don't get him at all. Read him as a Baudelairean Decadent seeking thrills from the occult (instead of sex) & you'll get it.
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This is actually great because it proves that the logical endpoint of the "X was funded by the CIA and therefore evil" obsession is the complete rejection of Art – which is subtextual, and therefore in a sense always a "psyop" – in favor of full-on propaganda.
Oh dear god, people are saying right out loud, "Everything should be 100 percent literal so audiences don't have to think too much." The art and literature of the future are going to suuuuuuuck.
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I don't give a shit about real-life problems as long as real life is redeemed by Art. The true sin of the Internet Age is that not only does life suck, but you can't even make great Art out of it.
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Paglia-esque essay on how the shift from Eighties porn (here's a gorgeous woman) to Internet porn (here's a close-up of a gorgeous woman's genitals) mirrors the shift from Classicism to Decadence, from Form to Fetish, from the whole to a part of the whole, &c
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kinda funny that psychiatrists are so open about the fact that "a personality disorder is a way of thinking, feeling & behaving that deviates from the expectations of the culture" – which sounds like a critique of the idea of "personality disorder" but is a quote from the APA lol
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I think Dostoevsky's inability to be entirely Shakespearean and his inability to create good female characters are strictly connected, and can tell us a lot about both Shakespeare's art and what femininity is.
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"Books are better than movies because you have to use your imagination (to turn the words into visuals)" is a really dumb argument because one could just as easily argue that "movies are better than books because you have to use your imagination (to turn the visuals into words)."
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I think this is mainly because the Internet eventually replaced the real world. People now update their online aesthetic rather than their clothes &c. If I'm right, then as long as the Internet is around (& felt to be *the* place where things happen) we won't get a new aesthetic.
Every decade has a recognizable aesthetic except for 2005-2020
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the most insulting thing about those "if you want to be red-pilled as fuck read these 200 books" lists is not the specific content but the very idea that one should binge-read hundreds of books, when it takes a lifetime just to "read" Plato or Hamlet or The Magic Mountain &c &c
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This is also a problem I have with the gender discourse, where people seem to question gender &c, but ultimately revert to something as banal as "I'm a man but I like magical girls therefore I'm a woman" or "I'm a woman but I want to be more like a man i.e. boring & autistic" &c.
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in the Age of Netflix, watching any film made before 1990 is a revolutionary act
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The key modern figure is the televangelist. US presidents sound like televangelists. Kanye sounds like a televangelist. Twitter is becoming more & more a place for televangelists. "Buy my book—save your soul." A world shaped by America's conflation of capitalism & religious zeal.
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in a perfect world I would own a huge Italian castle, I would move there along with my 900 followers, we would spend our days reading poesy and philosophie and analyzing movies frame by frame, and we would publish our thoughts on the International Journal of Marinist Studies
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One Bible scene I find particularly striking is Daniel 5:5, or "the writing on the wall". Surprise is a crucial element of storytelling, & yet I can't find a single "Suddenly…" moment in Homer outside of the Polyphemus episode. Scenes like this are the birth of the horror genre:
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Anime (esp. shōnen) at its best has a kind of pagan madness & grandeur to it. Japanese artists understand that if you try to make humans Homeric again you just get gay porn (Snyder)—but if you add some fantasy elements it works, because by modern standards "heroes" are nonhumans.
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if Blake & Nietzsche had lived long enough to witness the birth of anime/manga & cinema they would have jizzed in their pants
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They are, in a sense, Satanists; they can't move past "Evil, be thou my Good."
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American r*tards: "here's why Barbie and Oppenheimer are problematic"
Italian cinema:
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TIL the first google autocomplete result for "can NoFap" is "can NoFap make you taller?" which is incredible
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it's pretty funny that people read so little nowadays that Logo has single-handedly convinced a bunch of guys that the Western canon practically begins & ends with Blake, Melville, Nabokov, Pynchon (all of whom – ultimately even Blake – are somewhat peripheral to it)
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"Can we separate the art from the artist? Is there an ethical way to enjoy art by problematic people?" I don't know. Have you seen the pyramids? Do they look cool to you? Do you care whether they were commissioned by dictatorial rulers & built by conscript laborers? Probably not.
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Anyone who believes in "self-improvement" or any such Jungian nonsense has never experienced the rapture & rupture of Love.
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Protestantism is, quite literally, when you get your culture from old books – the Bible, the Roman classics – instead of direct, "physical" tradition. So it's only natural that physical beauty & physical pleasure got lost in the "translation."
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Twitter really is a great place for people who grow dumber with every new book they read
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I feel sorry for gay people who care about "representation" in art &c because gay stories will never be as good or common as straight ones – by definition, they are more homo-geneous, more boring – they lack the mythic structure of two opposites becoming one (& creating new life)
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I'm just opposed to the evil Anglo-autistic Human Optimization Project. Simple as
Always surprises when people with evolutionary backgrounds ask why most people are so opposed to eugenics.
Let's put it this way: "why are most people so opposed to others killing their future family?"
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"Great art can't be right-wing" is correct, but "great art can't be left-wing" is also correct. "All art is political" is correct, but "great art transcends politics" is also correct.
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There is something grotesque about the current trend in screenwriting where characters like James Bond, the Joker, or Batman are made more & more "human" & "relatable." Left-wing film critics see this as a victory for empathy, but some characters are not supposed to be relatable.
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reading Dostoevsky in the Internet age is a lot harder because it just feels too much like being on 4chan, or indeed on Twitter, or like you're reading Elliot Rodger's autobiography
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As long as culture is transmitted, each age is richer than the one before. This is a blessing and a curse: knowledge increaseth sorrow; cumulative culture increases anxiety and indecision. Thus, the average book gets worse, while the peaks—the few who overcome anxiety—get higher.
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If it's "flawless" it isn't "soulful."
Imagine what AI powered machines will be able to do in the next 5-10 years.
Boston Dynamics machines flawlessly and soulfully dancing in rhythm.
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Reminder that Ridley Scott's Alien, Blade Runner, Legend, Prometheus, & Alien: Covenant are some of the best Gnosticism/Lovecraft-inspired films ever made.
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there is something wrong with a language that lets you say "I loved her" about a woman you coolheadedly broke up with
I broke up with the notebook girl because I didn't want to marry her, as simple as that: she's not the girl I will marry. I loved her but I know myself and what I want and that's why I didn't want further commitment—otherwise it would be me using her and also me betraying myself.
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The Nietzschean quest to "say Yes" to everything – to "Life" – was and is bound to fail because, as Hegel or Lao-Tzu would point out, every Yes (to something) is also a No (to something else), and vice versa. Strive towards the pure Yes, and you'll go mad.
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An aesthetic cliché most people stand by is that Art doesn't get better or evolve through time—the Moderns aren't better than the Ancients, &c. But I think this is only true in the strict sense that, for example, Milton isn't automatically better than the Bible. Which, of course.
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We all know what's going on with "refinement culture"—logos getting "cleaner & sleeker" & so on—but the question is, why? My theory is that it's a case of self-mutilation, which Paglia sees as "a pagan ritual of riddance, stilling anxiety & fear" in times of decadent abundance.
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"Realism" – the one aesthetic criterion of petty bourgeois minds. But the only artists who matter to me are those who don't give a damn about realism – Italian horror filmmakers, Hong Kong action filmmakers, and Japanese animators.
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