@KimberleyShoaf @mbeisen Yah true. I think we all know doing things via proper channels is not the plan for these folks.

@JGyrados That may be part of it. Though, I think it is more so retaliation on DEI initiatives. In Project 2025 this is called out specifically.

@TheLarchNo21 Of course I don’t think the NIH is actually behind it- though this notice was sent from the office of the director. More so just putting out the holes in the approach from a different direction.

@ZKForTre Ha- yah. Though I don’t think I am really trying to rationalize it either. Just pointing out the holes in this cut from a different angle.

@KimberleyShoaf I thought that too, but then footnote seems to indicate $30M is for NCI building and facilities and the other is general appropriations? I looked at some other documents that seemed to support that- I think the table is just confusing. But who knows!

@ColleenMcmilin @KCKlatt It doesn’t make sense because they are also hoping RFK jr clamps down on pharma influence. So….

@ZKForTre Oh no, I don’t think this was done in good faith. The cut is basically straight from the Project 2025 handbook that said to cap IDC at the lowest amount a university accepts from a private org. This is sometimes 0. The only deviation is they went for a higher IDC as the cap.

@BevilConway That’s what I am trying to figure out. Is there a known perfect of the IRP budget that goes to “overhead”? If so- what is it? And what is being cut to?

@davykevinp I agree that they probably don’t think of it that way, and likely why I’m not seeing any concrete information. Surely someone knows if allocated $X total dollars per year that they need to set aside a certain percent for things that would normally fall into the “F&A” bucket?

Ending again with the disclaimer that I made some assumptions based on publicly available data which may not be accurate. Would love someone to provide sources that provide more clarity on the actual “indirect costs” of research within the NIH intramural program. Thank you Fin

So I did some internet sleuthing. I could not uncover anything directly addressing this question. Not totally surprising since the intramural program differs from the extramural program. But, here I’ll share what I found and what I *think* it means. 2/

@weldeiry This is actually scheduled maintenance that was posted on the website before as an FYI. But…definitely nervous to see if there any changes, missing applications, etc when it comes back online.