Modeling 1996-2019 team runs scored vs just OBP & SLG, you get a 91.7% R^2 value. Adding AVG and K% brings the R^2 value all the way up to ... 91.75%. The latter 2 basically don't matter, and the slight effects say lower AVG and higher K% are better, given equal OBP & SLG.

@cangelosilegacy @RobertStock6 @TristansTrash Knuckleballs don't work nearly as well against aluminum bats, and I don't know of any successful knucklers last 50 years who started as one. It's a last-resort option that has huge failure rate, especially tough in power-heavy environments.

@Seth_3773 And if somebody was showing 103 that year, it was almost certainly an unofficial gun that was hot. 2008 was the first full year of official tracking via PITCHF/X.

@Rev_Gabelicious Postups have never been that efficient, except for the elite post players. 50% shooting on 2s is the same as 33% on 3s, and the free throws added are mostly offset by more turnovers/offensive fouls.

@JustinC78603054 @tangotiger Don't focus on how they do it, but the conditions they're given. Ball speed, bounce spot, and throw angle, plus possibly a turf/grass flag, are likely what's needed for the metric. If a 1B does it "wrong" but still succeeds more than expected, they should get the value.

@AcHammerTime10 @JGeeWillikers @notgaetti I'm saying that optimizing OBP and SLG is what's important, not caring about K% and AVG. If you cut your Ks and raise your AVG, but lower your walks and power so much that your OBP/SLG goes down, you're not better off.

@AcHammerTime10 @JGeeWillikers @notgaetti This was happening long before 2009. I may need to run my team run scoring data again, to figure out exactly how far back AVG and K% stopped affecting scoring, given OBP and SLG. I want to say right around WWII...

@ucsu94 @notgaetti Or you could learn why WAR is calculated the way it is. Joey Gallo was a teen when the current framework of WAR was established, so why would he have any favoritism? Jeter made over 1000 fewer plays than average SS of his time, so metrics are nice to only say -250 runs.

@LFTimes_sports @notgaetti Yeah, I'm not defending that phrase at all...

@LFTimes_sports @notgaetti Which is why wOBA is used for WAR. Gives a run value for walks and each type of hit, all on the same scale. Doesn't include situational side, but that is intended.

@LFTimes_sports @notgaetti The real rip on singles is in SLG, which Buckner is almost 50 points worse than Gallo. Definitely some era adjustments to close that gap, but when you don't walk or have much power, you need a lot of singles to be great.

@TrdDavis @notgaetti @bens0xred Gallo's time as a Yankee was much worse than his overall career averages, so why are you judging his career based on that time? G7 was Buckner's only positive WPA in the WS, and his -0.47 WPA for the series, which doesn't include the error, was lowest of all hitters.

@tylerjhaman @notgaetti I would never use that term, but there is a major difference between .414 OBP and. 321. Also, Combs had a .155 ISO that year, 38 points above league average, so not sure he was really just a singles hitter.

@LFTimes_sports @notgaetti And the hitting component of WAR values walks at 75-80% of singles, due to that.

@JShalooby @notgaetti Low-K, low-walk players see way fewer pitches per PA than high-K, high-walk players. Gallo sees 4.2 pitches per PA for his career, while Buckner saw 3.14 pitches per PA his final 3 years (tracking started in '88). Also, the original point about OBP being nearly equal is true.

@notgaetti Maybe things have changed in last 10 years, but when for players that played both positions significant amount during a season, their fielding values were basically identical. Most 2B don't have strong arms, and first step is more important at 3B than 2B.

@HoggyWonder @gallagwar @RealCJ10 There are situational stats like RE24 & WPA for individuals, which are my basis for saying Gallo is bit overrated by OPS+/WAR. At the team level, actual runs scored are all you need. League success rates on guy on 3B with < 2 outs has dipped from about 53% to 51% last 25 years.

@IAmPaulBauer @RealCJ10 Opposed to the group think of "he has low AVG and high K rate, so he's awful?"

@HoggyWonder @gallagwar @RealCJ10 Nobody thinks it's "cool" to K. It's just that team run scoring isn't affected by AVG or K%, once you know OBP and SLG. There are no teams at Gallo's extreme level, and there is evidence that OPS+ overrated his offense a bit, but he's still been league-average at plate in career.