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In the past we had debate about Claudia spoke the type of girl suitable for Cloud in Remake, some ppl said it is Tifa and even said we could heard Tifa theme (?) in the talking. But in EC, the dev straighly use Aerith theme in this scene. So we finally have the answer, right?
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Someone said this bf but I will repeat it. In Remake, we have this poster is actually the end of part 1 and the spoil of part 2 with the team goes to Kalm. And with Rebirth poster, we have the whole team (including Aerith) look at snow mountain which is North Crater location.
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Now this is a translation of answer from JP Twt about this scene. In JP Aerith said "Which love is this love?" and some ppl had doubt about Aerith love to Cloud. The answer is really simple, comes directly from OTWttS Case of Life Stream White novel by Nojima.
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This is a livestream of Dream date from a true JP ZA fangirl. I really respect her, even she loves Zack, supports ZA and kind of sad that her ship fail, she said clearly she had a little too much hope, and as long Aerith OK, she is good. I hope many streamers can learn from her.
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To anyone who said SE will have a CT end canon in part 3, I will explain in economic viewpoint of a company: CAs itself not just have many loyal fans, it is also an iconic symbol for many FF couples to take after and affect every FF games in the past and future, even KH.
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One thing I feel fascinated about CA meeting in AC, that it is not just the only romance moment in film, but it shows the real Cloud and his current emotion. Before this scene, the film shows Cloud as a cool guy with sword and bike, fights well, quite cocky sometime.
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There is a particular scene that no CT, ZA speak about: The meaning of Aerith gave White Materia to Cloud. As ppl know, this Materia is really important in FF7, it's Cetra heritage, Aerith's heirloom, her precious memory left with Ifalna, in other words, her life and everyting.
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Bf anyone said "It's always about CT for 27 years, Aerith is just Red herring and optional", this girl not only has her own theme song, but also got global live performance with a whole orchestra in Game Awards and million viewers. It was so big that shock the Internet that time.
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OK it comes down to this: If Tifa can make Cloud smiles truly happily like this, then I could rethink about CT again. But in OTWAS novel , AC movie and 2 games of Remake, Tifa cant even do anyting close to that. That is the biggest difference between Tifa and Aerith to Cloud.
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Ok I will something quite controversial to any CT who even believes HW s-x: If that event truly happened, but even after that CT was still friend, Cloud couldn't say he loved Tifa, living in abandoned church where he met his Platonic friend, then Cloud was truly a terrible man.
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One thing I hate about many CTs is that they think they have the right to decide which source is canon, based on their own headcanon. Maiden novel is the biggest example, just bc of shipping they deny this novel as non canon bc it is not written by FF7 SE team, which is stupid.
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Ok I dont know ppl talk about this bf about CT but I will say it clearly: For me, to say Cloud and Tifa are childhood friends is the same saying Cloud is Ex First Class SOLDIER.
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Ok one remind word bf any CT speaks BS about CA: This is CloudxAerith, a couple that starts the modern FF Franchise today with many couples after learn after, makes SE the current billion $ corp today. For 27 years they are the poster couple appears in many cameo, works of SE.
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Ok is it just me thinking too much, when reading comments in my post I saw some users so called "neutral players" said CA and CT just bad and criticize me for creating war. Yet when I saw their bio, all of them, I mean "all", are CT underneath and reposted many CT contents.
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"Cloud is her friend, her lover, a symbol of everything she held dear, a person she wants to protect." Aerith feeling for Cloud is a combination of friendship, precious person, and lover.
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I will forever surprised to many CT said there is no one understand Cloud more than Tifa. Like forget about OG, OTWTAS, in Rebirth Tifa literally said she didn't know Cloud well even until Nibelheim mission, and even in flashback. Many CTs truly played Tifa Fantasy instead of FF7
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Ok I just read a long thread from a CT about them as soulmate. While it has good analysis about LS, I can't truly recommend it from 1st article. Since when do CT have deep spiritual bond in OG/Compilation? The whole point about CT in OG is that they barely knew each other in OG.
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OK I watched Cloud-Tifa scene in AC again, this time with JP voice. It is interesting that the line "Memory or Us" in Eng now become "Why do we have to lose out to our memory" in JP sub, which is a little better (anyone who knows JP pls comment me if the JP subs is wrong).
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So out of stock again eh? Well no surprise, after Lorren/Uematsu interview and Ultimania full of postive Clerith news.
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About the dream date, many ppl spoke about how emotional it is (or nakama whatever), but I feel more surprised about Sephi. Not only he walks leisurely, he doesn't have his usual comfident look. He is serious with a stern face, not the usual Sephi we saw many times bf .
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To many ppl said it is delusion to think a happy end for Aertih in part 3, remember SE literally changed the entire FF7 OG, give lots of new lore like Whisper, Multiple worlds, face lots of backslash from OG purists, just for Aerith's sake and entire new Forbidden City scene.
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Definitely FF VIII collab, bc a part of this fandom is really obsessed with Rinoa, only bc she has long black hair and is designed by Nomura. And when Aerith has Rinoa's outfit, let the be war, from all Twt posts.
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@FenrirBoi
@mommygeto
OK you are seriously that desperate eh. Again with whoever said that "Platonic friendship" I will only have one sentence copy paste: If you played part 2, reach ending and still say Cloud thinks Aerith as friend, you are really, really, really terrible in romance.
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I will give more details about what Aerith said since my first post didn't give enough details. She said "However like (love) can have many meanings. I wonder which like is it". And I will tell you again: In JP confession scene, there is no like = friendship, like ever.
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Destroying CAs not just simply losing huge amount of money from many loyal fans, this action will destroy the brand of FF Franchise, kill off their reputation and legacy, the most important things of any enterprise.
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After 20 years in FF7 Fandom, I am just so surprised many ppl couldn't accept 2 things:
- C and A, the main protagonist and main heroine, are soulmates.
- Until DoC, CT are still friends and A is still engraved in C's heart.
And all of these are SE canon materials.
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So when the final trailer in Feb came, when I saw action, I already knew ZA was finished even with all leak bullshit about ZA canon. Aerith literally just gave everything from her to Cloud, entrusts her very life to Cloud. Love is really light to describe her feeling to Cloud.
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@ActuallyCloud
Not just that, in manga/anime have triangle relationship between childhood friend and transfer student, at least more than 95% time the transfer student always wins.
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@MargotXCloud
Damn i never realized this scene had this much deep meaning. True, Cloud never wants to be alone, he is just an introvert and socially awkward guy wants to be recognized. And Tifa, who is supposed Cloud childhood friend and "loves" him , laughed at him, just wow, truly ironic.
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And any smart ass try to tell me "koibito can be said in friendship" or "JP love confession scene use aishiteru instead of suki", instant block no comment. There is a reason why beside English ver, some other countries just translated this scene as "I love you" straightfully.
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You know why I dont usually say much about Tifa kiss? Simple, bc it is GS date, and anyone can choose the date they want, just like HW in OG has 2 versions. And most of all, regardless what you choose in GS date, just like OG, SE will never mention it again part 3.
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3 years after that "Platonic friend" death, that friend is still engraved in Cloud heart, and even after that "passionate s-x" with Tifa under HW, they are still friends, then I would say both of them are f--ked adults. And I don't think this is intention of SE.
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Many fans need to play EC to understand more about CT relationships. In this scene, Cloud directly asked Tifa about Nibelheim flashback but she avoided. Tifa has the surname "Lockhart" for a reason, she keeps many things, even her true feelings in her heart and can't speak easily
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This is why I never like and trust wikia, where any person can edit whatever he/she wants. I dont know who gave them the right to say or doubt if Maiden is canon or not, and put it outside FFVII Compilation, while it was published in Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega by SE.
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I think many CTs haven't realized it: If FF7 was finished in just OG game, CT as couple would be good enough and had more chance as Canon. But with FF7 Compilation works like OTWTAS, AC, DoC, Maiden or some non FF games like KH, Mobius, Dissidia, SE killed CT chance as couple.
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@RadiantAntiHero
But honestly the worst part is: No matter what kind of scene in Highwind and with the Tifa GS date, the OG ending is still the same: Cloud's only desire is to go to his Promised Land and meet Aerith, well just like Rebirth.
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So at least don't even doubt Aerith's feeling to Cloud, this is the peak of any romance you can find. I didn't know how part 3 will end but at least with this action in part 2, ZA is 100% finished, Aerith truly moves on with the past and now loves Cloud maybe more than her life.
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@athrunchan1
@Ahleckss
@blackaerith
Rebirth truly did Zack way better than CC even he only appeared not much. He truly felt bitter about CA but still supported them no matter what, he is truly a chad.
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After NPTK drama, I can confirm my opinion: SE just never wants to close the LTD for the sake of money, they don't have the courage to pick any side whether CA or CT. So 90% in part 3 we will have a game like TW3: A full open world with Highwind and multiple end for both fans.
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@mudiscorp5227
Again i really don't care about this since this is pure fanbase works. However some CTs need to stop being hypocritical about CA scenes.
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Remind CTs about LS scene: Normal ppl cant survive in LS bc it's lethal, the only exception are Aerith and Sephi, we already saw what happened in Rebirth. So when LS scene happenes again in part 3, unlike OG, if Tifa doesnt get help from external force (Aerith), she will die.
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@Artiimas
Honestly we already had a CA Water Tower, so I am not surprised we may have CA Highwind or even CA Mideel.
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@Supernerd471
More exactly in promise scene, he said he want to be SOLDIER just like Sephiroth, he nevert want to be a hero in first place.
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@CloudxAerith
If Aerith was born in Nibel and became Cloud childhood friend, they would definitely have a few children by the time of FF7 began LOL.
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@pollenainne
@mommygeto
You know, your love life is truly fucked up if your boyfriend only has his platonic friend in his heart even she is dead for 2 years, his only wish is to reunite his platonic friend at their promised place and even goes to multi world to realize this wish, just saying 😀
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@EAhmedozz
Let's see, Cloud saw the death of his mom, his best friend, his soulmate right in front of him, became a Shinra lab rat for 5 years. All these events can make a person has PTSD for a lifetime. I seriously don't think Tifa could understand how terrible he felt right now.
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In disk 2, the North Crater scene can be said to be the most important scene to the lore, way more than LS/HW many ppl said. So I believe this time, we will have Aertih appear in this very important scene, to have her meet the real body of Sephi.
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@Aeris_aka_Hilda
In entire game, I never knew Cloud can express so many emotiona like that, like how he shed tears toward Aerith, how he hold, put her hand toward his face to feel her warm, how he is so happy and relief when she seems OK. Damn, this is the definition of soulmate we can all agree
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@AerithCloud3
You know, in the time you temporarily left Twt, I saw some CTs even used the articles from Bible or even rarer, Tanakh to actually defend CT ship. I mean, this is so crazy to actually bring religion teaching into this, it is so insane.
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I stull remembered the crazy fake leak contents on Feb, the whole FF7 Fandom was crazy about it. Many stupid head canon leaks appeared everywhere, some were so dumb I wouldn't bother to look. Yet some ppl,even old fans, believed this and almost canceled the pre-order.
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Remind you all again, this Aerith is not R Aerith, it means this is the first time she meets R Cloud in this world. So with only meeting R Cloud in like few minutes, she already did all of these actions to Cloud in the span of few hours. And you tell me Aertih doesn’t love Cloud?
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Ok after reading this information, why can some ppl think that Aerith won't be the main focus in part 3? We have the most OP Sephi like never seen before, almost like a God, with abilities so broken andcunning mind. Or ppl can truly think Tifa can stop this Sephi?
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@aerithsclouds
"Cloud whatever happens we will be together" A Japanese Twitter just translated. Yeah, just 1 sentence like this is enough for me, they are so in love.
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@IrekawariF
That scene is too romantic, deny yourselves that much is no good. If your boyfriend does this to another girl and that girl said "We'll always be together", well well what will you react anyway 😀?
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@AerithCloud3
To be truth, CT fans are more obsessed with Aerith way more than CA fans themselves, for better or worse. Like, who even used Sigmund Freud's theories to analyze the romance between CA, that is crazy.
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@MidgarBloom
I think this related with the leak of Tifa's kiss and fake ZA canon in February. Many CTs had high hope this will be the chance for CT finally become canon, however when the truth comes, also with the bitter result, make them feel restless and annoyed.
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Now after seeing this scene and ppl told me Cloud and Aerith doesnt love each other? Well if this was not love, then I didnt know which is love anymore.
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@Cevcmepergunta
@tofffieeee
I think most Antis don't want to talk about scenario beside shipping because honestly the main plot of FF7 tied too much with CA, especially Aerith, who is the soul of FF7. And Antis are very insecure about this, they have yo focus only on shipping to make people forget.
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@ClAerithStrife
"I want to meet you" is an iconic sentence for a reason, do ppl really want an out of context and immature kiss that much? Even I as a man and lack of romance feeling also know this isnt the time for kissing.
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@AerithCloud3
In OG their love was so iconic It became a symbol for many FF couples later. We are living in a really strange time when ppl even doubt Clerith
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I saw so many comments from ZA/CT about how Aerith can love Cloud more than Zack. Gee, I don't know, we are talking about a guy who just meets a girl in a single day, risks his life to attack the HQ of this world's biggest Corp to save her, and always says he is her bodyguard.
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@mudiscorp5227
First, hope to see you better again so you can see part 3 with us. Second, now that is over boundary this time, CTs are just evil.
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There is a quote in a romance novel i just read that describes CT well: The boy I love when i was 16 suddenly becomes someone different from my memory. After many years meeting again, I realized I never knew my crush, in reality he is different from my imagination and I confused
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@KenMastersUSA
Also, she could become one with LS anytime but she refused, bc she needed to stop Sephi from harming Cloud. In this article, not only she shows her love to Cloud, there is no talk about going with Zack to LS. Yeah, in this novel, CA is confirmed again and ZA is dead
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But in this scene, it is really opposite. Cloud felt excited but also shameful, fragile, and hestiation when meeting Aerith The whole atmosphere changes, you feel connection between these 2, and who played OG bf would know this is the real Cloud.
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@heccinbork
Yeah it is truly insane how many Aerith loves Cloud anyway, and don't forget the 4th Aertih just woke up anf the 5th fight Sephi with us. The love triangle is 99% officially over with unlimited Aertih (techically) Cloud has. Cloud can't never escape Aerith for eternity LOL.
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Never thought someday my post will become a famous meme among CTs like this, I am flattered bc I never knew I can become famous like this on Twt. STILL do you all have to think everything must be in LTD war? Before a CA, I am a fan of FF7 and l love FF7 characters including Tifa.
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@FenrirBoi
@mommygeto
First, "Cloud still thinks Zack's memories and feeling" this statement is so wrong, the most you can say is Cloud creats new persona as a Soldier similar to Zack, this is absolute lore you must remember, the demo make it very clear.
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@enemiestoluvers
"Sayonara, Cloud" hit seriously different, and her faces, both show happpiness and sad at the same time. Damn so cintematic, peak of romance, Mayaa is truly the best VA.
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@cloudjimi_ff
Like, is it just me or the modern gamers today just don't have any media literacy. SC as a ship has many flaws but ppl accept it as its charm and don't pretend it is a good relationship since the beginning.
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Ok so I am new to Twt, this post got 21 Quotes but when I check, I don't see any user detail. So this means all of them are private acc, acc block me first and or acc that I mute, right? If it is true, this most and some recent posts of mine really trigger a part of this fandom.
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To know exactly the true answer of how popular a character beside some shit talk on Internet, I realize it is quite simple, checking the merchandise sold out. So here is the list of all sold out FF7 merchandise of SENA store.
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@tofffieeee
Lol so obvious, so cliche like many fantasy romance novels I saw countless time, and ppl still said Cloud didn't love Aerith. I have no word to say.
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Ok for GS date, even it was canon, why did so many CT think they are the canon route, bc they got a kiss? Bc even you thought this game as dating Sim, I could always choose another route depend what I like and didn't see Tifa scene. So why did CT insist they are canon?
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@strifeologia
Honestly, no offense, but when I saw many US fans idolize Tifa to the point creating the fanfic Highwind s-x scene and AC CT married living together, I was like "WTF is wrong with the people come from one of the most advanced countries on the world anyway?".
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@Earisu90716232
@_flowertalk5
@Moon_x_Cat
There is no way CT want to buy this main theme song unless they are true fans of FF7 which are not much. So why do they have to upset CAs anyway, the marketing team in SE is making big mistake this time.
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@JulaShona
In the end it is always about Cloud and Aerith, especially if people play HA Aerith, it will be the best love story ever. For Tifa, damn but it is just like AC all over again.
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This is a comment from my friend, who is a true CT: I want to change this weird kiss in GS to a better scenario for Cloud-Tifa scenes. I want to see them have more personal conversations, to understand each other's more, and not doing some weird yet fake close moments like this.
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@MargotXCloud
Cloud with Zack personality and the Real Cloud are really different people, I don't understand why some ZA fans said Cloud is Zack or Aerith loves Cloud because of Zack. Cloud only takes the persona of Zack as First Soldier, Cloud is still Cloud since the beginning of FF VII.
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@KenMastersUSA
Why do people surprise anyway, ok the OG is old ppl didn't play so I can understand. But in part 1, isn't Clerith so obvious even you skip all Aerith fetch quest?
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Damn, see some comments on Reddit, YT and Twt truly made my blood boil. So much disrespect other ppl's work just bc of selfish thought, and just bc of some shipping.
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Update from
@AerithCloud3
post bf, after the newest interview, these 4 are the current boogeyman for CT. We have 1 Producer, 2/3 Directors and a Writer who since the start is Aerith's biggest simp. Geez now I wonder who is the main heroine now.
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It is truly a strange time when quite number of people even doubt the love between Cloud and Aertih, a fact that have been known and established by SE for 27 years. Like I never deny CT, but to see many ppl think CA as imagination made me feel sad about this fandom.
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@FenrirLoner
Wow, Aerith won in Popularity poll of GameDay, the place full of CTs like Reddit? Truly a historical time, must say Rebirth boost Aerith Popularity really much.
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@kizu_skip
Wow it is the new dialogue in FGO? Well after 10+ years we finally have the answer.
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@AerithCloud3
I will never understand some FF7 fans said they hate or dont like Aerith. Without Aerith, FF7 is truly nothing. She is the main pillar of the whole FF7 Compilation.
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As a person who watched AC and play CC first as a really stupid way to enter FF7 saga, I don't know why many ppl believe ZT reunion in LS after life. It is stated very clearly that LS is not after world, there is no after life in LS, ppl in there are just memeory and have no self
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As OG player, I was shock at first when played C2 of Remake. Many ppl didnt realize SE just changed the lore of OG. Like in the begin of C2, Sephi just appeared right in front of Cloud and especially Aerith, something like that seriously changed the whole scenario compare to OG
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The Board of Directors in SE are not fools, they know the important of CAs to SE and will never let it die. So in part 3, the best chance for CT ending will be in 2 solutions:
+ Solution 1: OG ending.
+ Solution 2: Multiple end.
Your choice.
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When talking about Gongaga, many ppl talk about that almost Tifa kiss, but for me I think Sephi's scene is the most important. Bc we can see how powerful the new Omni-Sephi in Re, he knows everything, moves in LS like nothing, commands Whisper to attack and shows no mercy
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When speaking about Tifa's importance in the story of FF7, if some ppl have to make countless threads about headcanon or wishful thoughts like "Chosen of the Stars", "Realism hero" instead of using canon material, you do know her role isn't that significant in the overall story.
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Sometime I think CTs on YT are more toxic than Twt. Like yesterday, when I saw a FF10 video with title "Why Yuna said I love you in Eng instead of Thank you in JP?". And surprise, many famous CTs I usually saw many times on CA video spoke BS about the content of video.
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@MargotXCloud
Honestly kind of tired with all CTs still said something like NPTK not about CA while the writer, composer, singer alrady confirmed. I just blocked the guy below, simple as that. And did all CT just talk about kiss and not talk about the main scenario, how Tifa lied Cloud.
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@strife_eva
It is just like in OG with Cloud speech after Aerith death, he didnt care anymore, didnt care what Sephi was planning, his heart was broken, his mind was shattered, he did everything for Aerith and now his most beloved treasure was gone.
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There are 2 kind of ppl said Aerith must die or SE must keep OG end:
- True purists: While I respect other opinions, I disagree bc it made the whole R project meaningless.
- CT end/ZA LS reunion headcanon from AC: No more than hypocrites and didn't even pay attention to lore.
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@athrunchan1
If you can avoid it, it's optional; If you can't avoid it, it's Canon. See it's simple, any elementary kid can know that.
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@Supernerd471
Even in Remake, this personality of Tifa is still the same as confirmation from Ultimania, so yeah LS will destroy many CT headcanon. There will be no romance scene in this no matter what translation team is trying to do. In part 3, CT will be the same in OG, friendship at best
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@tofffieeee
Like why do I never see any CTs talk about the last battle, especially why Aerith appeared again, do they want to ignore this scene that much?
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