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‘For you are wrong, Socrates, in supposing that love is of the beautiful.’ ‘What then is it?’ ‘It is of engendering and begetting upon the beautiful.’ –Plato

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I would see a thousand guilty and innocent foreign men be hanged to save a single european girl child's life. No number of men weigh more to me than one of her.
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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” Or, if you want it visualized:
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@sailaunderscore It's not the alcohol it's whatever is with the alcohol. Alcohol rapidly depletes various nutrients, acute deficiency has different acute effects. So if you drink with a few limes you'll probably get more Vitamin c than you've had all week > positive effect + plus alcohol = weird.
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high upper nose thingy Nationalism
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@wavyphd "Bro, the Iliad is FICTION"
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@eddieblake448 @renaultfailure The correct curve. How can one hate this man? The hand is firmly on her waist, no hovering and without hesitation. Everything about this picture is righteous.
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@VikingDadWisdom Pornstars are likely less ran through than most American women these days.
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@RedVelesov Goats that lay eggs... Ducks you can milk... Platypus eggs and milk for breakfast. "I'm a pond farmer" Pond, James Pond.
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Earth mother this... Sky father that... I AM A CHILD OF EARTH AND STARRY SKY
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@shinboson Arabic didn't originate the script it has, it's just evolved from already cursive demotic. All the fancy features that it's famous for had already been developed in demotic.
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1 year
And then they deny globohomo doesn't come from Christian universalism.
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Nationalism was not practiced by the earliest Christians.
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Divine Plato, Son of Apollo, 81 years old: "Your tune is without rhythm!" >Refuses to elaborate >Dies
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@Porkchop_EXP @EBasilion If there's electricity and clean water and ability to wash your sheets and clothes, and a few coins to buy food, please tell me wtf else you could possibly need? Not even electricity is necessary in warm climate.
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@malmesburyman Is this not a tale of urban decay?
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"Biblically accurate angels" isn't just a meme. Winged humanoids is the icon of the Hellenes. Heroes, Daimons, Angeloi. (((Their))) "angels" are tartarean giants.
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Roman Mosaic recently found in Pompeii. Boy those sure do look like much later Christian angels don't they?
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When you go somewhere private to kiss a girl even the gods look away. In that moment all things fall away and there is only you in eternity. God saw this—the beauty of love echoed in its own reflection, infinite times—dream, and only then made the world for it. God is this.
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@YeeHawTactical 52. (a) If he catches a thief entering his home at night to steal his goods, and kills him, he shall be innocent.
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1) Aphrodite is beauty. 2) Anyone who venerates beauty venerates Aphrodite. 3) Veneration is worship. 4) Anyone who exalts beauty—or truth (Veritas), or wisdom (Athena), or justice (Themis)—is a polytheist. Doesn't matter that they don't affirm them by these other names.
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"Aristotle was autistic; and a lot of people followed Aristotle's style, which was just . . . 'Autism, in philosophy.' — and that's where we went wrong, effectively." – @Aarvoll_ to @joeldavisx
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"A man should spend his whole life at ‘play’—sacrificing, singing, dancing—so that he can win the favor of the gods and protect himself from his enemies and conquer them in battle." - Platon, Nomoi
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The corruption of vegetarianism in Vedic practice is indisputable when one learns that the Egyptians ate beef BECAUSE the cow is sacred. To not eat the cow is sin. Her meat is also a divine gift. Through the pure we are pured.
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A reminder that the neoplatonists had access to all the major presocratics, all of Aristotle's works, the stoics, all the poems, and they were the last public initiates of the mysteries. With all this, lost to us, they upheld Plato, not lost to us, as the greatest among them.
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@tubman_onlyfans OK re(((tard)))
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@yanniversace She was 17 years and 364 days and 23 hours and 59 minutes and 59 seconds!
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Christians can't justify why they're not actively seeking martyrdom. Fallen life is not meaningful in any way, everything you can do is morally worse than dying for Christ. Marrying is worse than not marrying, celibacy is a one way ticket to heaven. There are no Christians.
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@EvanPlatinum @Martpoasting >Average gross salary – $7,000 / $8,000 monthly (2022) Euphemism for lines of coke, it's the underground hub of the global economic nexus.
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"I throw the apple at you, and if you are willing to love me, take it and share your girlhood with me; but if your thoughts are what I pray they are not, even then take it, and consider how short-lived is beauty. ... Say yes, Xanthippe; we fade, both you and I." – Plato
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@T3MaxxiAlt Tbf, any fit and kempt man with cash to spend is extremely attractive to 16-24 year old girls, it's even easier for you to have that experience than back then, not that I have any experience of girls 10+ years younger. If you are under 25 you are far from your prime.
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@AndyJScott @inteldotwav You can eat an apple in the morning and have it get stuck between your teeth all day or drink orange juice and most of the sugar doesn't interact much with teeth. The first only ate an apple, but it is frying his enamel with its acidity while the sugars ferment. Dumb experiment.
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In Platonism (Plotinus and Late Platonists), the body is not a preformed vessel that the soul goes into like clothes. The soul penetrates physical-matter and Soul-Body is developed from the henosis (union) of the two—the soul *becomes* bodily. The body itself is part of our soul.
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Gilgamesh is the oldest novel and it contains all the answers that man has asked about heaven and man in the past 4k years. What is lovely and free is fleeting—and if you seek permanence, immortality, you will only find it together with an eternity of duty and labor, all giving.
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We're meant to be impressed by Jesus' 'Harrowing of Hades', when he supposedly 'killed death', yet there's still the Second Death of Hell. What Jesus did once and clearly failed, Ra does every day, and in every tomorrow he brings yesterday's dead to the eternal day.
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@BasedFLman If anything a rock is more likely to puncture steel than steel is.
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Just realized why tattoos are unattractive. They're masculine. The masculine divinity of artistic expression—and his marking of territory. Tattooed women always tattoo themselves after a failed romance; man imprints being on the feminine, a part of her will always belong to him.
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It was shock of me to find out so many twitter platonists are woke cucks, like their revisionist prophet Butler. They must be reeling in pain now that they can read Proclus' Commentary of Republic. "The platonists were all classist bigoted homophobes?" "Always have been."
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@BaruchLawrence Fourth century Rome?
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@OGRolandRat Reminded of that video of local african villagers rejoicing with tears when previously exiled white farmers were allowed back to their farms as if they were witnessing angels descend from heaven.
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The Nous is often translated as 'the Heart', the life of Nous is eternity, of which time is the 'moving image of'. Time and Eternity is neither linear nor cyclical—it is a beginningless and endless spiral. Each day and every life is unique while also echoing infinite others.
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Did you know the HEART is shaped like a VORTEX?
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@uncle_deluge "An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid."
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There is no, and has never been, a definitive version of the myths. There's nothing to "reconstruct". We have the details, you are free to put them into verse with new words. The revelation is not in the words but in their meaning — this is the error of the Abrahamics.
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@coalkagathos "I haven't read BAM." - BAP's top guy
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2 years
@EBBerger Use quotation marks for words or sentences the results must contain and "-" (hyphen-minus) before words you want to filter out. All search engines are useless without this.
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@Babygravy9 Always has been
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1 year
the satan - Saturn connection is the most cringe shit that has been popular to post about recently there's a negative connection between them
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@chromesandwich Given that every soul is eternal and begins from outside "samsara", naturally everyone has "escaped" Samsara an infinite number of times already, yet here we are again.
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The ancients when paraphrasing another philosopher simply mention that they said it 'somewhere', if you're lucky they mention the book but never where in it. You should already know.
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@barbaricvitalsm That's Mithra famalam
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Platonism is explicated Orphism. No one who's read the myths of antiquity can hold to what this guy says here. Theogony is a revelation of first causes. Gods are LITERALLY platonic forms, their nature is the same as a form: All victory is in Nike, Ares IS war, Eros is all love.
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The pope might be the egghead of the construct called the church, but Orpheus is the true pope of all 'simple as' men's hearts.
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normie Catholic apologist, sobbing: "Catholics don't worship saints" elderly Spanish peasant: "If we stop leaving offerings at the shrine our local patron, St. Raimundo the Jew Smasher, our crops will die and the modernist heretics will prevail."
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One scoop Two scoops A third scoop haver
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Innovation does not come from demand. It comes from boredom, leisure. All the revolutionary innovations of the past 3 centuries are from germanic dna. The south and the east grow and grow but are only regressing.
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@Empty_America
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Futurism basically depends on population growth. Most Sci-Fi settings implicitly depict a population of many billions. That's what causes the pressure to innovate, to build mega-cities or space colonies. But with declining population, literally nothing happens. Stasis.
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Everyone deserves the gifts of their ancestors. They didn't just give us 'mere life' but an extension of their lives, their strength and speed and intellect and virtue and beauty. Everyone should take pride in the things we are, because to love ourselves is to love them.
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IQ, absolutely. No one "deserves" their IQ. Wealth is different--a mix of luck and "the harder I work, the luckier I get."
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@BreastMilkEnjyr He's occupying her mind and nullifies her racing thoughts like Jupiter before Semele. He swallows her, she is consumed, she's at peace, made serene like the full moon of his universe. All him for her.
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This is why women stalk men (like me) who's able to perfect visualize in words what he's gonna do with her when they meet, it is his thought penetrating and occupying her mind as a mental analogue of the insemination of his seed in her womb.
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"Those who are destined to be gods must first become human." This was the revelation of Isidore of Alexandria to the Platonists. “Ecstasy transforms theurgists into gods, yet because theurgists are human, the gods become human.”
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People saying, no, this is nihilistic undisciplined hedonism, it is bad, the purpose of your life is to serve God. When sparrows corkscrew through the sky, they do so for the pure joy of divine power coursing through life. What do you think the purpose of creation IS?
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@autistocrates I never understood how speed reading was possible. Until that time. I thought about the meaning of texts before reading them, was all fucking Rainmaning every line. Imagine reading twitter post simultaneously with you seeing it, almost as if you read it before seeing...
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When Polytheists hear all ancient peoples had a king god who encapsulated all the gods in his own nature and being as his powers. "Nooo I can't believe this, I'd be a monootheist!" "Yes I haven't actually read any ancient manuscripts."
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@AndyJScott @inteldotwav Someone can eat 3k calories of sugar and another 700 calories, but the latter eats only added sugar while the other 2800 natural sugars. If sugar causes cavities this graph says nothing either way.
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@Orthon_Spaceman @JoanFrancescOl1 Don't make me quote Plutarch "Apelles, however, in painting him as wielder of the thunder-bolt, did not reproduce his complexion, but made it too dark and swarthy. Whereas he was of a fair colour"
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Heraclitus, like Parmenides, like Empedocles, were all Pythagoreans preaching the same principle from its three angles; Plato is the Second Pythagoras—from whom the Peripatetics–Stoics–Gnostics sprang; as Plotinus is the Third Pythagoras—and Neoplatonism that triad's unity.
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Hagaz Nebulazungōz (Ice Age Autist) -Writing Books
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@Hyperaionian @ssphinxe Plato was probably initiated into what Heraclitus profoundly mourned as having degenerated, the Dionysian mysteries - foreign and becoming Pythagorean.
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Plato says privacy is a great virtue. Therefore what people do at home is of no concern to the state or public. Trying to lure sin into the open is worse for the health of the polis than that it occurs behind privacy's veil. The false appearance of virtue begets real virtue.
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@wantedinrome Out of all emperors they pick the worst.
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"Isidorus hymns were obviously inspired by Christian theology, just like the Poimandres!" "It was written in stone four centuries before Jesus' birth and also names the Poimandres of the Hermetica." "Oh."
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1 year
You must anthropomorphize inanimate objects and personalize concepts.
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Beauty is the geometry of truth.
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As the monotheist iconoclasm lost to Hellenic iconism (that the divine can manifest to the senses—theophany), there was seeded the roots of the Renaissance and world affirmative philosophy in Latin thought. If Jesus is truly Incarnate, then the senses are gates to true knowledge.
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Eternal Okie 🇺🇲
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Why were Christians able to start making sculptures of pagan deities again after many years of prohibiting them?
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Odin's self-sacrifice for the runes is 'esoterically' a poetic telling of the "creation" of the Logoi by a type of sparagmos akin to Dionysus' dispersion as all Souls by "dying". He pierces himself like an egg to release the Logoi into discursive reason.
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The Dialogues are alive. Plato poured himself into them. There is no foundational question in philosophy not already seeded in them. He crafted the immortalized teacher, whispered of in his letters, in them. Truth is not in codes, one 'thinks it' — philosophy is a yoga of Nous.
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Is Plato correct on everything? Absolutely not. Should what he is wrong on be called out? Yes. But that doesn't mean you should throw out everything because he has a few things that aren't correct or that don't jive with other Pagan Folk faith.
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@PalamismRspctr Sounds gnostic, as if sex has no real substantial alteration of the body and the soul. Plato in Gorgias speaks of our souls before the judges carrying the scars of our lives, those scars will not go away and affect who we are forever.
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@nypost The closest neutron star is 400 lightyears away, article says it has to be within 36 lightyears. It's literally a physical impossibility to ever happen. This is ad revenue bait.
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@PopeBased @porcelain_yin He has a blonde parent.
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@shinboson The script comes from demotic/hieratic. Not the language. Nabatean script is only a middle man. The style of script is also a third thing. And the style of Arabic cursive is evidently inspired by Alphabetical demotic cursive.
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Reminder that Eve, femininity, is only an afterthought. In heaven everyone are like celibate men, married to the bridegroom Christ, as Christ is joined to his father. It is the gayest metaphysics in all of history.
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@irumyuui @thefrancotv Homophilia? Or homoiphilia? A gulf of a difference. Christianity is spiritual homosexuality that, as we have seen, easily became what we have today. Once the homos get more adept at theology they'll be able to defend themselves even better: "gay marriage is a type of the church"
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@crocoduck_king Sounds like a metaphysical statement positively describing reality.
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@Martp0sting Greek myth reveals that lifelong monogamy is almost something unnatural. The platonists maintained marriage was for the rearing of children and the childless should divorce. Love's reality and intensity is not bound by lengths of time and the most passionate love can be a flash.
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@bret_cahill @edenamrai Misuse and disuse is what ruins out joints and backs, use is what strengthens them.
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@comfyhodler1 It's a statue of a woman
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@lporiginalg "I am 6"4."
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You're describing a useless hermit schizo. The aim is not to be philosophers or sages in the desert but to become Philosopher Kings. True genius does not explore the outer world for its own sake but to bring its powers down to the world; to beget wisdom not to merely have it.
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The Platonists do not, 'achuly', believe Matter exists in itself—not even as nonbeing—rather, Matter describes the real potential that the now actual and immanent substance has by being in act. I.e. matter describes the flipside of possible transformations from its present form.
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Plotinus would say that it is this exact 'solipsistic turn' that makes one fall into the cave and be chained there. In delusions of grandeur.
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1 year
I have reached my own conclusions concerning the ordering of the cosmos. If some of those conclusions directly contradict what earlier Platonists have said then I believe they are wrong and I am right. The way some venerate the Platonic Corpus as infallible is horribly Christian.
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The words of Plato are more holy and more true than all other scriptures. The miracle of his preservation is more profound than the survival of anything else we have—and of all, this is the greatest proof that he is the highest of all angels and loved by all the gods of fate.
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It was for this sentiment, particularly of Christian monks but also "philosophers", whereby Damascius caused the Dark Ages by ceasing the theurgy of white magic. Black clouds that blotted out the sun, earthquakes, pestilence, a millennium of endless war. Pure "coincidence" :
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@TSpeth5 @Geoffiam @WillyTheWendigo Sounds like he has self-mastered the Titans of his soul (incorporated his shadow, as the kids say), a noble soul.
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Romantic love is the most authentic way to be and to know God. In them and through yourself. a: "Is this just a love poem or a prayer?" b: "What's the difference?"
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𝐵𝒶𝓇𝒹𝒶𝒾𝓈𝒶𝓃𝒾𝓈𝓉 𓆙
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@daatdarling I like when ppl think a poem that’s obviously about God is about romantic love
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Tolkien might be the only writer to truly understand magic, especially as it is described in Egypt—heka. It is not to float and fly, or telekinesis, or magic energy balls. Real magic is authority. The power to bend someone or anything to your will. Even fate.
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@KhalkeionGenos This is what's absurd with the sentiment to not listen to anyone 'too young', when the opposite is true—if anyone is a true genius inspired from above, the core truth of what they'll reveal in life was discovered by them early in life.
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Ignorance of the theology of signs. Symbol syncretism is the most significant syncretism of religions. Theology is written and syncretized in every nook and cranny of a temple design, in the meaning of every symbol and sign. An entire church is an iconographic theophany.
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Tristan S. Rapp
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Christians adopting Helleno-Roman temple architecture for their early churches isn't syncretism, just as Muslims adopting Christian romanesque designs for their early mosques isn't syncretism either. What *is*, however, syncretism vis a vis Islam, is something like Sikhism.
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"you may pity the criminal whose disease is curable, and restrain and abate your anger, instead of persisting in it with the spitefulness of a shrew; but when you have to deal with complete and unmanageably vicious corruption, you must let your anger off its leash." Plato, Laws
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Rauðgrani ᚱᛆᚢᚦᚴᚱᛆᚿᛁ
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Christianity does offer something powerful for certain purposes that neoplatonism doesn't. Fanaticism, the freedom to vent it and righteous anger onto nonbelievers. The passions appealed to are not like those of neoplatonism or stoicism which are more austere.
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All religions eventually embrace our human nature, those dictums that offend our humanity slowly fade into obscurity. The older religions are the more alike they become each other. We cannot help but belittle all world-denying. Everyone's sun worshipper when struck by the dawn.
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@autistocrates @CraigWilly06 I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY'S WATCHING ME
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Hyperion
11 months
High, Just-as-High, and Third Are, from Gylfaginning Saga, a manifestation of Odin appearing as three all-knowing kings on three thrones in a great hall. They tell things that were, and things that are, and some things that have not yet come to pass, to king Gylfi.
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@Hyperaionian
Hyperion
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Hyperion
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“Odin stood on a mountain, Brimir’s sword in his hand and a helmet on his head, when wise Mimir’s head spoke the first word, and spoke truthfully. Runes were carved on the shield that stood before the shining sun, ... on a bear’s paw and a poet’s tongue, ... in wine and in beer
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@AnInnes3
Innes
1 year
I find it interesting that Odin's primary motifs represent self-control. He has tamed Hungry, and Ravenous, as two wolves - he sends Thought and Memory out, learning the wisdom of all realms. Deeper in the lore, he wears a helblar + white cloak or shawl - 1/2..
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@Hyperaionian
Hyperion
7 months
Why should we abhor (((Christo-Islamism)))? 1) Introduce the demoralizing 'fear of damnation' based on a lie that we are irredeemably evil by nature. 2) Introduce the cheapest of trivial ways to escape this gaslit lie: Faith by grace 3) Gaslighting Stockholm Syndrome deified.
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@Francis_Wolcott
Prince of Cups
7 months
@Hyperaionian @wantedinrome Neo-Pagans who are vehemently anti-Christian and always feel the need to express this fact online are so lame and cringe. I had to mute that guy The Hellenist because literally all he would do was bash Christianity. It's like, Jesus, are you sure you're not getting paid by Jews?
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@Hyperaionian
Hyperion
10 months
@LandsharkRides Relaxation is T. T is the alchemical immanence of divine repose, of the Father's Mone, sitting back on a throne. Action by inaction, affecting change through stillness. That is the masculine.
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@Hyperaionian
Hyperion
2 years
@chernayakoshka Beauty is the face of the Good. She is how we know God.
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Hyperion
1 year
@bizlet7 They're subconsciously aware that beauty is identical to nearness to European features. And so all beautiful African women are white by physiognomic proxy.
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@Hyperaionian
Hyperion
8 months
@knrd_z All the great discoveries of physics weren't found in the math and then imagined, they were imagined and then they discovered the math for it.
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Hyperion
2 years
@Tom_Rowsell @Salon Even in Finland before the Finns and Sami.
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