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$Neon 879 FWD win vs alphabet!
A clean win on arguments. Judges did not even need secondary to rule for neon! HUGE WIN!
Hendifar is the king of IPR
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$NEON Breaking!
Judge Allen Order on stay:
"the Court hereby ORDERS that the stay in this case is lifted. The parties shall file a proposed scheduling order within one week of entry of this Order. "
So schedule within a week!!!
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$NEON vs Samsung
Stay is denied - jury trial coming
879 on track
Everything on 993 is severed from the lawsuit waiting for 993 ipr appeal process.
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$NEON - Connect the dots - Who was the genius Magnus Goertz or Steve Jobs?
N1 First showed at Cebit 2002 - Apple @ Neon monter according to Thomas Eriksson Depo
N1 Shipped 2004
Apple started Iphone dev 2004
Coincidence?
993 patent - Swipe to unlock
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$Neon IPR993
För svenska läsare en försmak nedan - for english audience
@AnalisisdeInver
will deliver a podd with me tomorrow night going through evidence and the hearing!
Attached for you is a list of all evidence from the inventor Magnus Goertz USB…
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$NEON 879 IPR Alphabet - When will final written decision come?
Doc 62 below in Neonode vs Samsung: " A final written decision is due to be issued in that proceeding no later than January 13, 2023."
According to PTAB " by the end of this week"
Thursday or Friday?
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@waltmossberg
And now its in a legal Battle against the small Swedish company Neonode regarding touch patents.
The inventor Magnus Goertz was years before Jobs.
I recommend you read up on your history.
Give some credit to the origin: the Neonode N1 from 2002
$Neon
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Let the info spread!
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$NEON - Trebble of you!
Evidence 2005 from IPR in 993 proceding
Transcript: Apple vs Motorola
Apple uses Neonode 879 as defence from Motorola in 2012
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$Neon ipr 879 decision WIN
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$NEON
Granted! discovery in sweden within a month
Prior art argument valid!!!
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$NEON Mcap 100M$
879 Patent wins IPR against Apple, Samsung and Alphabet
A few billion units in 2 lawsuit now in progress after IPR FWD.
Mcap looks correct?
Why is not the media all over this?
Could be the trade of a lifetime over next 18 months
$NEON - Neonode wins IPR patent trial initiated by Google, $GOOGL could not prove the challenged claims were unpatentable.
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$Neon 879 patent win
@ekonomiekot
@sverigesradio
- Neonodes patent dömdes giltigt. Samsung och Apple försökte ogiltigförklara det.
Stämning för intrång pågår i Texas och Californien.
Bekräftar att Swipe uppfanns av Magnus Goertz och Neonode N1 var före Iphone mfl.
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$Neon
The first N1 - swipe to unlock - already planning schedule for 2024
This is such a cool phone
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$Neon
För 16 år sen var Magnus med i TV4 med N1. En historisk intervju och otroligt visionär uppfinnare.
Nu pratar vi om det igen vid 0710 på nyhetsmorgon.
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$NEON Samsung CC
880 pages including appendix. 26 pages legal argumentation.
I will need to read this a few times.
Feels like legal word chess
Have a great night
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$Neon ”miljardpatentet” ute nu!
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$Neon Lawsuit
Info from the weekend: Great article!
Apple filed a Patent application in 2013 that was rejected because of the 879 patent...
Hard to argue against knowing about the 879 patent in court from 2014. Trebble is def on the table!
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$Neon
The win in 879 against SA - if this deal is mentioned and it’s based on secondary. Patent forever valid and treble damage in the bag!
How much is a few billion units * 2 * 3? Think a jury will reward less?
The iPhone costs 1000$ and is based on a stolen patent!
$NEON - 879 IPR - EX2025 - Licencedeal🧵
Key evidence! Final written decision 3 dec
The Background:
Read paragraf 2 "Samsung is a leading manufacturer and distributor of mobile Phones"
Isn't that commercial succes for a patent?
A licence deal with a "leading manufacturer" ?
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$Neon info on IP lit from Stanford Law
Probability - if trial 66% win - roughly 3% goes to trial…
Most settle pre trial - I will get back on my analysis on why later.
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$Neon Lawsuits - Billion dollar 879 patent
1: Is the patent valid? YES after 2 IPR
2: Have Samsung and Apple infringed?
I trust AQ putting a year and a huge sum of money in this case. I think they can prove infringement.
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$Neon 993 appeal brief in
Info coming later, 150 pages with appendix.
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$Neon - how much is Neon laywer going for?
From Evidence in Stockholm: Magnus Goertz qotes Mr Graves
"HBSS med avsikt att stämma Apple och Samsung för
uteblivna licensintäkter (kanske ända upp mot 50 miljarder USD)"
"maybe 50 billion $"
Hearsay from founder Magnus Goertz
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$NEON
Neonode i Uppesittarkväll ikväll!!!
❗️ LIVE IKVÄLL 20.00❗️
Länk:
#Uppesittarkv
äll för första gången på helt egna ben! Gästar gör Neonode, Fabege och
@Fresko04
. I twittersoffan
@emmavhedman
.
Hjälp oss göra premiären till en succé! ❤️ Sprid och tipsa.
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$NEON IPR 993 - Answer from court - The smoke is clearing... No files from stockholm in docket!
"there are no files in the docket other then the ones we see - the files from Stockholm is not uploaded or in the docket yet?"
"Hi, That is correct."
Emails in image below -
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$Neon
Ni som såg Nyhetsmorgon idag och är nya till historien om Neonode rekommenderar jag varmt Spotify Doc ”miljardpatentet”.
Bra sammanfattning av var vi är nu och resan hit.
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$Neon
“Don köpte en telefon undercover som vi sen snokade upp att - det här var ju Apple” -Magnus Goertz
Miljardpatetet snart på Spotify docs
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Some followers are heroes! A unknown call in the middle of putting my children to bed
"Hi Felix, I follow you on twitter. They Won!"
Greatest first lines between two people in real life ever said!
@JesPlusA
is forever in my book of crazy happenings!
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$NEON
This is a great read - For all Neonode investors
Neonode $NEON update is now available. Hope you enjoy it.⬇️
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$NEON vs Samsung CC reply doc 86
Neons argumentation is stringent and strong. Its kills Samsung arguments from their last reply.
Markman should be fun!
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$Neon vs Samsung in Texas
Samsung filed reply CC yesterday.
Will read and recap tomorrow
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$Neon
For all new followers:
IPR 879 SA
IPR 879 Alphabet
IPR 993 SA - New docs 26 Jan after close
Texas against Samsung:
California against Apple:
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$NEON - Exhibit from Stockholm district court - Marketing material from 2002 03
Groundbreaking in 2002 - look at the competition when launched.
Imagine presenting this to a Jury and also saying we had a licence with Samsung. Apple bought a phone and then launched the IPHONE.
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$NEON Schedules
Settlement on IPR appeal because of scheduling. I don't think the appeals will be settled.
I don't think the 879 appeal will finish before Samsung Lawsuit.
My guess: Settlement in Lawsuit not before next spring after Discovery with all facts on table.
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$Neon 879 FWD Secondary consideration thread
Page 42: "For the reasons below, we find that evidence of industry praise and licensing have a nexus to challenged claim 1 and weigh significantly in favor of nonobviousness"
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$NEON Someone just bought roughly 3% of the company over 2 days in the market...
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$NEON - Turning fire in Lawsuit
After IPR comes claim construcion and discovery
How do you think Samsung and Apple feels about sending over docs and getting their employes deposed?
Think there is any dirt to uncover?
That's another reason why companies settle.
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$Neon 993IPR Documents "la bomba"
In this thread is the documents discussed in
@FillorKillPod
and
@AnalisisdeInver
Thank you both for having me - Both should be out tonight
These are S/A Prior art arguments:
In short before 2001-05-16 kills both arguments
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$Neon vs Samsung
Great news yesterday with four top lawyers added to the Neon team.
What is the value of the patent?
Well - the patent already have a value set in the license deal from 2005
I’m pumped for the autumn and next summer… this is a unique case!
Markman next!
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$NEON vs Samsung - Order on international help.
This is on doc 39 which was on hearing MG and TE. Hearing was made in June 2022.
My analysis is granting this motion means the evidence from that hearing is valid in this process. So the 993 might come alive!
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$Neon volumes outside of US?
Thank you
@haland_steinar
for the info!
Is all Apple products based on software from Apple US?
Billion dollar question! Answer in Cali court starting this summer.. Probably!
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$Neon vs Samsung
“ Opening Claim Construction Brief by Samsung Electronics “
Is posted
Huge file with 30+ exhibits
I will post more info Monday morning
Have a great weekend
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$Neon vs Samsung - markman transcript and memorandum out.
Another weekend trying to understand why the decision on claim 1 doesn’t kill the rest.
Neonode have also added laywers
Game on
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I have the doc's - Any media seeking a story to write on Samsungs IP theft and lack of commitment to a signed license agreement - Contact me!
The details are juicy and Samsung have stolen their touchscreen plattform from Neonode
@dagensindustri
@EkonomiGabriel
@SvD
@WSJ
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$Neon
This verdict verifies the pay per unit model. In Neonodes case the base for valuation is at 2 eur/unit.
With treble and inflation etc a similar verdict would be huge.
The 50 billion dollars have some merit
Let’s have a great Markman hearing and an even better discovery!
$Neon
Sonos vs Google verdict
💣💣💣💣💣💣
2,3$ per unit for one patent!
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$Neon 879 oral hearing - read the transcript when it comes. Hendifar is a killer! This feels so much stronger now. The points made on both drag/slide and secondary was strong!
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$Neon vs Samsung in Texas
Joint CC brief in
Markman next…
More info on this tomorrow.
Have a great night
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$Neon CC in vs Samsung
Next stop markman
I will read and comment later this weekend…
Have a great midsummer weekend
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$Neon Miljardpatentet del 3/3
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$Neon
Sonos vs Google verdict
💣💣💣💣💣💣
2,3$ per unit for one patent!
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$NEON - 879 IPR - EX2025 - Licencedeal🧵
Key evidence! Final written decision 3 dec
The Background:
Read paragraf 2 "Samsung is a leading manufacturer and distributor of mobile Phones"
Isn't that commercial succes for a patent?
A licence deal with a "leading manufacturer" ?
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$NEON - If Allan decides that the process in Texas continues and schedules in the next few days - Will Samsung file an appeal the 2 of february?
Both orders lift the stay - Samsung without a schedule
This is such a good Netflix series to follow in realtime!
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$NEON För alla nya följare som behöver en genomgång av processen mm. Lyssna på podden!
Har funderat hela natten på gårdagens beslut. Otroligt starkt och är det som jag tror är även beslutet väldigt svårt för SA att överklaga eller förlänga utan att negativt påverka rättegången.
Tack
@jonasbjoerkman
för trevligt samtal.
En genomgång av $NEON vs Apple/Samsung och Alphabet och var vi befinner oss nu för nya och gamla lyssnare. Från start till idag!
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$Neon
Claim construction in - will read and post bits later this weekend
Have a great day
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$Neon doc 90 - order from doc 89 as expected.
I might have found a way to see the Markman on Friday 1600 Swedish time.
And the meeting is: WA:20-CV-00507
from this list:
I will try and verify on Wednesday
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$Neon
Order is in!
Pop your popcorn
Super oral hearing to be scheduled
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$NEON 879 - Oral hearing - Strong for secondary consideration: Patent named in licence deal!
The Neno tech was so outstanding that the patent was included in the licence agreement!
If that is not industry praise what is?
I cant wait for tonight - 879 looks so much better now..
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$Neon vs Samsung:
"public by ZOOM" - Looks like the show is on!
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$Neon doc 73 - info on appeal!
2 days until appeal - latest aug 17!
The heat is on…
Since I have heard the Stockholm session live I’m really looking forward to this. It’s all or nothing!
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$Neon 879 sur reply
Strong sur reply - oral hearing left. It’s stronger then I thought the samsung deal as secondary is much better then excepted.
Read it - I think we might have a chance in this patent.
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If i told you about a company that is in court procedings with Alphabet / Samsung / Apple over billions of products with a potentiel outcome of 6 eur/product would it interest you?
(6eur is trebble damage * earlier licence fee with Samsung)
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$Neon 879 Brief
Nothing yet in the docket.
I expect the brief to be under seal for some days because of probable arguments related to the Samsung deal and we then get a redacted version.
I will publish when it comes
Have a great night...
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$Neon 993 - From Court docs - Exhibit 3 - Neonode conf business plan from May 2003
Page 11: Timeline of Neo5 to Neonode from 2000-2003
Doc verified by MG/TE in court
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$Neon - Lawsuit - Nr of units etc…
This is the start of processing. With a win in Texas against Samsung - who is next? In which countries?
AQ will not leave any possibility.
Alphabet is a low hanging fruit after their IPR attack
This is a proof of concept lawsuit
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$NEON Redey Updates
Adds possible larger volumes on Apple outside US on software loophole.
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$Neon vs samsung
Decision on motion 12
So far in Neonodes favor as expected
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$Neon markman appeal
After the first read: compelling arguments.
They might have a shot. They tell a compelling story based on the cc history. They argue that the court erred and have some good arguments.
And now the neon business is offsetting risk…
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$Neon
Många nya följare denna veckan. Denna stämning har hållit på ett tag. Lyssna på ”investera på höjden” för en recap till december. Efter podden har Neon vunnit mot SA och Alphabet i 879 samt domaren i Texas startar målet. Schema nästa vecka.
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$NEON IPR 879 - Licence agreement -
Read this: All applications derived from the licence deal is co-owned.
The deal is for use of the 879 patent
Please let this get to a jury trial!!!!
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$NEON IPR 879 doc 60 new - Samsung panic?
ON jan 11, same date as 879 Alphabet win. Samsung tries to convince the court to expunge the sealed part of 879. Court orders: 1/2
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$Neon - vs Samsung - The heat is on!
New proposed order:
Neon moving for lift of stay
Samsung arguing for stay untill after appeal process. Samsung will appeal 879
Judge Allan will decide how this will proceed
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$NEON - Samsung have changed their position on stay after Alphabet lost their IPR.
Dec 9 they only argued stay until Jan 12 and did not mention appeal.
This is exiting stuff - worst case is 1,5 year of appeal - Best case is Schedule in Texas from Allen!
Rollercoaster!
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$NEON
Samsung settles another dispute before trial... 7-8 month after IPR
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$NEON update FAQ
Lawsuit in Texas (S) and Cali (A) is on hold pending IPR
IPR 993 expected soon - Good evidence - Listen to pod
IPR 879 - Much better now, more evidence on secondary from Stockholm - Finishes in december
Cali Lawsuit Case conf update 7/26/2022
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$Neon vs Google ipr Appeal - Reply in from neon
Flick vs glide - 70+ pages from Graves
Since they won the IPR in this instance without touching on secondary. This process feels strongest for Neon of the three they need to win for the 879 patent.
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$Neon - Scenario
Schedule within a week.
993 - first brief jan 28?
Samsung intended appeal on 879 IPR 2 februari
Samsung requesting Stay february 3 based on appeal.
Neonode is against stay
Judge Allan takes the first big decision of the lawsuit.
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$Neon Schedule update - next 100 days!!!
993 process is in Pacer. No official schedule from court. First brief should include new evidence from Stockholm. Date uncertain +-5 days
The 879 SA Oral hearing transcript should come any day now.
Links in next tweet
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$NEON OH - Did Neon just drop the trebble evidence bomb?
I missed this when reading the licencedeal - there was only a connection to a patent application not a specific patent. Easy to overlook. That application was for the 879 Patent
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$NEON VS SA 879 Oral transcript
Page 45-55 Glide vs Drag
Judge Ogden discussing with Hendifar
- Page 55:23 - 58:20 kills SA and Judge Odgen agrees with Hendifar.
Based on this hearing the odds on winning 879 SA IPR is so much better then the market has priced.
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$NEON vs Samsung CC Reply from Samsung:
Samsung attacks "...one option for activation"
and "Gliding"
Claiming N2 performs drag and drop...
Feels like IPR oral hearing all over again with gliding versus flick and how long is a glide etc.
10 pages of arguments already heard...
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$Neon
Now in text from todays interview
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$NEON Update PATENT 879:
IPR Appeal on NEON WIN:
23-1638 Vs Google - No brief yet - behind pacer
23-1464 Vs SA - No brief yet - behind pacer
Lawsuit in Texas - Jury trial 2024 against Samsung
Markman next on Schedule 23/6 2023
993 Severed
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$Neon
From Svea HR decision "utvecklingsarbetet och att begäran om handlingar avser bl.a. ritningar till en prototyp av en viss mobiltelefon."
Attachment B is the dated prototype drawing for the N1. The smoking gun exists in Sweden and will reach IPR 993.
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