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Recently, I've been devouring books on the UAP topic from people whose opinions I really respect. One thing I've begun to notice is that I'm finding myself looking at religion, ancient civilizations, and even human history differently.
Anyone else?
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Ironically, it's the same debunkers who have been screaming "show me the evidence," that are ignoring and even objecting to a bill that literally aims to show us the evidence.
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Can someone explain something to me? Debunkers say "it couldn't be aliens because it couldn't travel this far". Is it not the height of stupidity to take our knowledge of astrophysics and extrapolate it to include all alien civilizations? How do we know what they can/can't do?
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Here, Mick, a game coder thinks that the claims and documents presented by Dave, a senior intelligence to Congress, under oath are inaccurate. He arrived at this belief prior to official investigations and without seeing these documents. How is this skepticism?
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Mick West, self described science communicator describes the peer review process as a waste of time. He also states he's happy to submit to scrutiny, but only on Youtube. The peer review process forces you to remove errors, Youtube doesn't. Debunkers promote pseudoscience
#UAP
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Members of Congress, some of whom attended a SCIF in relation to this subject, don't trust the Pentagon's report on UAP.
In particular, Rep Burilson claims that the Pentagon refused to be transparent in relation to some of the SAPs now mentioned in the report.
The ontological
My colleagues and I formally requested that the Speaker establish a select committee focused on UAP.
Transparency is coming.
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Just what I needed today :)
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Grusch has stated that he will provide a specific list of hostile and cooperative witnesses who are part of programs involved in reverse engineering non human intelligences. This is disclosure.
#uaphearings
#uaptwitter
#DavidGrusch
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Grusch has stated money budgeted towards approved programs is being misappropriated towards unapproved special access programs. Also US corporations are overcharging the US for tech in order to fund these programs.
#DavidGrusch
#uaphearing
#Congress
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Is it just me, or has the very public push back to disclosure seemed to accelerate something? The mood of the public, the media, and lawmakers seems to have changed. The gatekeepers have made this an even bigger issue than it was.
#UAPDisclosure
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We're past the point of no return. Either this turns out to be a government conspiracy as Mick West and the debunkers say, or it's the biggest scientific discovery in history.
Rep. Luna:
-“There is very likely technology that we are unaware of where it’s come from.”
-“We have some great witnesses… [that] have worked in previous administrations— Democrat, Republican.”
-“It's very likely that there’s other life forms out there.”
H/t
@MattLaslo
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UFOlogists talk about the need to move the needle. I agree, but where I disagree with some is what that looks like. I don’t think convincing debunkers is progress. These people are contrarians, not scientists or philosophers. Science does not need their approval
#uapdisclosure
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Big respect to Graves for confronting debunkers such as Greenstreet. Both Greenstreet and West are not investigating this phenomenon but spreading disinformation. They are also stigmatising those who are making honest efforts to elucidate the nature of the phenomenon.
#UAP
@MiddleOfMayhem
@jplatte11
@nypost
@MickWest
False. Your actions are consistent with a bad faith actor.
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I would love it as a species, as scientists, if we could discover the power and beauty of saying "I don't know but I want to find out". People who aren't scientists have convinced some of us to be ashamed of curiosity.
#UAPdisclosure
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UAPs are a mystery to me. The bigger mystery is the debunker. They argue aviation with pilots and argue logic with scientists such as
@GarryPNolan
on the interpretation of data from a position of authority. What training or education did they undertake to do this with confidence?
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One of the ways in which we treat the UAP topic with more respect is to engage less with the pseudoskeptic community. We do not need to gain their approval for our interest in this topic anymore than anyone studying gravity needs agreement on Metabunk for their latest hypothesis
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Can someone explain this to me.
Are some people actually trying to cast doubt on the veracity of the claims that whistle-blowers have made because they haven't released the highly sensitive data they describe?
The data, in most cases, is wrapped up in NDAs and national
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So I've briefly read this report. I can not find a single shred of data therein. It's simply an opinion piece from the gospel of Kirkpatrick.
The report attempts to ridicule whistle-blowers and their testimony. It even dismisses threats made against these people. Kirkpatrick
BREAKING- The Pentagon’s official AARO report on UAP / UFO phenomenon just dropped. 63 pages. Going through it now
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Imagine studying hard to become a journalist and then getting a job with reputable newspaper such as the New York Times.
Then imagine being informed that AARO has a story for you. The catch is that you forget the who, what, where, why, and how that you apply to investigation of
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Rep. Jared Moskowitz states that it's not that the US government can't describe UAPs. Rather, it can, but it just doesn't want to. This is a big statement for a lawmaker to make.
#uaptwitter
#UAP
"If we're reverse engineering technology based on stuff that has crash landed here from other civilizations, we can't just tell the American people that's not true for ever, right. The American people deserve to know whether some of that is true."
- Rep. Jared Moskowitz
Full
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Back in Dublin and I got thinking. I'm jealous of the fact that the US gets to host all of the cool UAP conferences.
So this is my official bid for Ireland to host the next one. I believe I've also scientifically determined which location has the best Guinness in Dublin. Believe
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The debunkers often explain away data contrary to their conclusion by supposition. For example, I often see debunkers introducing variables such as glitches and more serious equipment failures into arguments.
These suppositions, e.g, suppose glitches, birds, or distant plane,
@kyle_ferriter
This match alone (Mick was incorrect that there’s a match at any distance) seals the deal.
Adding in no fewer than three other ultra-ultra-low probability malfunctions *plus* context (GoFast, daily UAP incursions, mission debrief, Congress, etc.) retires Mick’s theory for good.
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@DoD_AARO
Will you also cite a fandom page in your next report? Will you also provide results and methodology of analysis you claimed to have carried out on materials. Will you subject any of your data to the peer review process?
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@MikeColangelo
Neil is a science communicator, not a practicing scientist. Avi is right to call him out on this.
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Sean Kirkpatrick, the scientist charged with collecting and assessing data on UAP, has allegedly lied about collecting data on UAP. The difference between Project Bluebook and AARO is that now the media and the public via social media are in a position to call out misinformation.
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Mick West computer games programmer who lectures pilots about aviation and scientists on science says someone else isn't qualified to talk about this topic.
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Every tweet from
@MickWest
on the UAP topic is designed to cast doubt on the veracity of the issue. Pilots may be lying, congress may be mislead or radar instruments may be faulty. Anything except UAPs being a real issue. This is a contrarian approach, not a scientific one.
@MickWest
Could it be seagulls? That's what you said last time. Stick to that rather than changing your answer every time. BTW, where are your peer-reviewed papers on the subject? I keep checking and can't seem to find any. That said, sorry you are not charismatic.
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Mick previously twisted what Grusch's lawyers stated to attack his credibility. Here we see the complaint that was described as credible and urgent by the inspector general. This is huge but Mick ignores this, and attacks Dave's credibility. This is completely disingenuous
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Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet on Karl Nell's interview at the SALT conference. There's not much to add to the contributions that these two gents have made.
That said, there's just two small points point from my side. Think about the statements Karl Nell made in relation to NHI.
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You know, I'm actually happy that the AARO report contained no evidence, cited fandom pages, and lacked credibility.
It was always going to be disinformation. It's far better to have it in this form than something more believable.
It also serves as evidence for Congress that
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In the latest Need to Know episode, Ross states that Dave supplied the names of people who worked on the hidden programs to those he testified to. Those people were called to testify under oath and corroborated Dave's story. This in itself is huge.
Here's the update on the Ross Coulthart interview with whistleblower David Grusch —
First off,
@NewsNation
will be doing a special report tonight using footage (although we don't believe this will be the full edited special they are ultimately doing). Here's their promo from
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The saddest thing about the gutting of the legislation is the fact that the moral burden is still on whistle-blowers and disclosure advocates instead of the government. When it came down to it, Congress lacked the courage of Grusch, Elizondo, Nolan, Mellon, Nell, and others.
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The most disturbing part of this for me isn't the allegation that AARO isn't taking whistle-blower testimony seriously. It's the possibility that AARO, not being a good faith actor, could be relaying whistle-blower information to organisations the individual is exposing.
AARO is a fly paper operation, designed to shield a couple of very specific CIA, DOE, Air Force and NGO operational recovery, reverse engineering and advanced technology programs from would-be whistleblowers. They even have a website where would-be whistleblowers can blow away
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Speaking as a scientist, I'm getting increasingly angry that so-called scientists might be hiding the truth of the phenomenon from the world. They are operating in opposition to science and should have their doctorates stripped away from them. This is scientific fraud.
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@BSquidding
The fact that you associate autism with gullibility and a propensity to be fooled says more about you than him.
It's a pretty unscientific and frankly disgusting view of autism to be honest.
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This is the paradigm shift. “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” it's fair to say we're winning
Smart people are mocking the idea that the U.S. government is hiding alien spaceships and bodies.
They're wrong.
I've researched this issue for years: there is credible evidence the secret UFO program is real.🧵 1/N
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It’s either insincerity or misunderstanding that drives people to repeat “we still haven’t got evidence”, or any other version thereof.
First, evidence of what? Evidence of a collective phenomenon engaging, observing, or being observed by humanity has been collected for decades
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I'm looking forward to Sean's peer reviewed publication on this.
Sean Kirkpatrick claims To The Stars’ metamaterials provided to the U.S. Army for scientific analysis through a 2019 research partnership are not from an advanced craft of unknown origin.
“It really is a piece of missile casing from the 1950s.”
#ufox
#ufotwitter
#ufo
#uap
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The UAP phenomenon is a not confined to the United States. This is very much a global issue, and topic of interest.
Accordingly, a new white paper from Helen McCaw, former Senior Analyst in Financial Stability at the Bank of England, details the policy implications of UAPs for
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1.Hey all, not sure why I'm writing this but it needs to be said. I had a bad accident today (electric shock) which ended with me being in hospital. I was alone at the time but luckily, a doctor friend back in Ireland talked to me when I regained counciousness.
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The UAP issue arose due to people from all walks of life observing things that don't fit. The anecdotal evidence has now expanded to include optical and radar data. Why do debunkers ignore the data and leap to "it's not aliens". This isn't how science works. Change is needed
#UAP
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Let's not forget that this whole topic is more than just entertainment on Twitter. There's actually people putting their lives, careers and reputations on the line to bring more information to the public. We should be supporting them in coming forward, not constantly demanding
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I'm not American, but like countless Irish people I've lived and worked there. Some of my happiest days were in American government labs. So although I'm hesitant to speak on US politics, I can confidently say that more evidence has been seen by Congress than we have seen. More
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Well, we have our evidence that private aerospace companies and sections of the American government are coordinating an active cover-up of information relating to UAP.
Relevant UAP portions of NDAA conference committee agreement:
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1. It's remarkable how similarly people talk about encounters with NIH today as they did in the folklore or my home country of Ireland. Reading documented "fairy encounters" in the book below it's strikes me that it could as well have been written by a modern experiencer.
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A Debunker on the importance of the Wikipedia propaganda campaign. Note the cognitive dissonance, projection, and gaslighting. The issue isn't only UAPs. It's a cult like group of non scientists teaching us that the scientific method isn't as important as agreeing with them.
#UAP
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"If someone is an asshole, they're an asshole, if everyone is an asshole, you're the asshole"
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@DrBrianKeating
"It's never aliens" is also a belief, and a pretty strong one at that. I lose faith in science communicators when I hear "it's always" or "it's never".
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Excuse my Irish directness, but this is f-ing idiotic. The debunkers know that the whistle-blower has provided evidence to those leading the investigation. They seem to think not releasing classified files to a TV network proves that Dave is lying.
Dear
@newsnation
Will you present physical evidence of aliens, high resolution photographs, your camera crew in the hanger where the alien spaceship & bodies are stored? Or are we in for yet another show with someone who says they met someone who says they saw/touched the craft?
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It's not clear from this picture if Mick is asking AARO for evidence or Mr Sheehan. I can, however, take an educated guess that Mick doesn't have a problem with a report that includes no data, methodology, and cites a fandom page.
He's only fit to be ignored at this stage.
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Sorry to be so blunt but saying Mick's a science communicator is insulting to the those who actually follow the scientific method. He is against the peer review process is that he wouldn't be able to change his statements, feigns ignorance or twists facts like he does here
#UAP
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I'll be quite honest. Mick West's target audience is the uneducated who enjoy feeling a sense of superiority over someone else. It doesn't matter what he writes they'll accept it as science. Even if Stanford or Harvard professors warn us against it.
🚨🚨🚨 Requested ChatGPT to identify the logical fallacies in
@MickWest
's newest article in the NY Post...
Needless to say, it is spot on identifying the intellectual hoax that Mick tried to perpetrate.
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#UFOTwitter
#UFO
#UFOs
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#UAPTwitter
#UAPs
#UAP
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Project Bluebook succeeded as a disinformation campaign because it was simply the media reporting their statements as facts. What's changed now is that we have social media, independent media, and podcasts. Now, our voices can be heard.
#UAP
#liberationtimes
#uaptwitter
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Lately, in the UAP community, there have been a few (and let's be kind to them) complete idiots who have claimed that certain people in the community have failed to deliver on promises.
What they forget is that these people have already moved the topic forward more than ever
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I don't think it's worth trying to talk to West. He has a book, a bias and a website that's dependent on contrarianism. He can't afford to say anything different. What's worrying is that his followers seem to apply little critical thinking to his bizarre claims.
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@DrBrianKeating
Brian, a lot of Congressmen and women, scientists, and former intelligence service members are putting their reputation on the line to verify this claim. They don't seem to be asking for your unconditional belief. Maybe support them instead of making sarcastic comments?
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@blackvaultcom
What is completely ignored here is that we know now that AARO's report was a propaganda tool. It had no science, only conclusions. It was described by Chris Mellon as one of the worst government reports that he has seen. So all of what you have written is irrelevant. It doesn't
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"He (Sean) downplayed the possible existence of a secret program that he is not privy to, saying, "Nothing has been denied us."
So someone's lying here. I also think it's suspicious that Sean is giving an interview so close to the hearing.
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@Renate_FE
This element of debunking fascinates me. It couldn't be aliens because aliens couldn't get here based on what we know about space travel. So he assumes all civilizations are limited by our knowledge of space travel.
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I spent my scientific career trying to carry out experiments and publish papers. It turns out that real science is carried out by editing other people’s Wikipedia page to make them look less impressive. Debunkers are misrepresenting what science is and that is dangerous.
#UAP
🔥TODAY 530pm Pacific
@RobHeatherly1
joins us as he exposes the Secret Cabal of debunker Wikipedia Editors run by a non-profit 501(c)3 targeting Wikipedia pages on UFOs with a written statement by
@LueElizondo
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CLICK 👉
#ufotwitter
#uaptwitter
#ufoX
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Apparently, the Metabunk/Wikipedia page police are rejecting that a criticism section is appropriate for Mick as his critics likely are crackpots.
How is it that those who use science as a weapon are often ignorant of it.
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@MickWest
San Marino also hosted The International Symposium on AIDS (October 10-14, 1988). Would you also belittle that?
Science conferences are often held in small cities or towns.
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It can only be a good thing that the producer of 60 minutes
@grahammessick
, is paying attention to this story. In particular, it's great that he's reading the excellent articles such as the one
@MvonRen
wrote on the controversy.
It is obvious that this report is devoid of
Pentagon’s flawed UFO report demands congressional action | The Hill
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“The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend"
My grandmother passed when I was young, but before she did, she recounted stories of old Ireland. Stories of her own personal encounters and those of other members of her family. What she described was traditional,
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The release of a veteran's history of PTSD is a smear. It's also worth noting that under Virginia law, a person's medical information may be withheld if it impacts their privacy. Why wasn't this considered by whoever released Grusch's reports?
#UAP
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@blackvaultcom
@Debriefmedia
The inspector general finding that Grusch's complaint was "urgent and credible".
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Kirkpatrick: "we live in a world of double standards where the reverse is not necessarily true, and people don't want to accept what evidence suggests when it is counter to belief."
What evidence has he presented? What detailed methodologies has he presented?
Most importantly,
Going through the segments I noted but didn't have the chance to clip. I'd like to have these on here so we can refer back to them when the sh*t hits the fan. If you can't bear to watch, skip it.
Kirkpatrick: "As I've said since Day 1, my team and I would follow that evidence
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Debunkers such as Shermer and West purposly omitting details and twist facts for the purpose of ridicule. It strikes me that they don't really have faith in their own argument. If they did they wouldn't have to distort their opponent's position.
Schumer’s legislation requires that any “biological evidence of non-human intelligence” held by private companies be turned over to the federal government “in the interests of the public good.”
@SenSchumer
Does this mean Sea World has to hand over their dolphins & whales?
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My statement to Danny Lavelle in regards to his article in the Guardian is featured below.
Danny the problem is that a lot of the evidence you claim to have sought is already out there in the public. First though we should be specific. Evidence of what? Is there evidence that
For all the ufologists sending me abuse, I tried to get testimony or evidence that contradicted Kirkpatrick’s claims.
People told me they knew ppl who sent info to AARO and were ignored, but they provided no evidence for this. None.
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The former deputy assistant secretary of Defense for Intelligence writes an article calling for US to disclose possession of an alien craft. I don't see how anyone could miss the significance of this. Debunkers should ask themselves what Chris has to gain by writing this.
UFO Reverse-Engineering Project Should Be Made Public: Ex-Intel Official
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How not to do science: Object looks metal. Therefore, looks look a metal balloon. It is also in the sky so could be balloon. Water is also in the sky so it could be that. Mick's summary: it looks like something I want to it to be so it is likely that.
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The debunkers are praising the recent AARO report while ignoring the mistakes, lack of evidence, and baseless conclusions therin.
They also demand evidence from people campaigning for the release of evidence.
The same people did nothing to support UAP legislation, which would
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Drinking this makes more sense than reading that report again...... The most shocking thing is that I got a decent Guinness in Maastricht. If I can find that, then Kirkpatrick should be able to find evidence
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The latest publication to serve as Kirkpatrick's personal propaganda platform is the Guardian.
The article makes the following claim about Grusch.
"Grusch also claimed that the Men in Black were on his case and were harassing other witnesses."
Did Grusch refer to people as
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Mick West, game programmer literally telling his followers that UAP investigators such as Avi Loeb (Harvard astronomy), Gary Nolan (Stanford) and former lieutenant, Ryan Graves don't understand the technical details.
If this isn't a reality check for his followers then what is?
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1. Now a bit of the woo, but this I find fascinating. The Tuatha De Danann were a race of beings who came to Ireland thousands of years ago on "flying ships". They brought superior technology and knowledge to the island.
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The next time anyone tells me that debunkers "bring a lot" to the UAP mystery
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@blackvaultcom
@Docneuroeo
You're posting random bits of information with the aim of illicit reaction. Why not provide an opinion on what you shared? You're using dog whistle tactics.
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I used to say Ireland's beautiful, but it rains. Now I think Ireland's beautiful because it rains.
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Sheehan, Nolan, Mellon, Kelleher, Sheridan, Cahill and Dolan (am I missing anyone?)
You'd be forgiven for thinking that there's some sort of Irish connection to this....
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In his doc, Brian states that there couldn't be aliens on Earth because of the huge distances involved. Let's rephrase this. "Aliens couldn't do X (any feat) because they don't have the technology". Do you see the problem with this statement?
UFO Skeptic Documentary
Brian Dunning, author and UFO skeptic, made a biased UFO documentary called 'The UFO Movie THEY Don't Want You to See'. That is okay because most documentaries are biased anyways and it's good to hear the other side of the argument, if you're a UFO
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Congressman Moskowitz now states that many of Grusch's claims have merit. Think about that. Following a SCIF with the IGIC, Moskowitz is more confident about many of the claims Grusch made to the ICIG and to Congress. This is huge.
#uapdisclosure
Based on what we heard many of Grusch claims have merit!
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I'm always surprised at the number of people with Irish names involved in the UAP topic.
There's only one conclusion I can come to.....
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This is huge. I find it hard to believe that a National Defense Authorization Act like this could be approved without sufficient reason to do so. This is based on something real. They don't pass laws influencing SAPs because some people are interested in UAP as debunkers claim.
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I ran into Fox Mulder/
@RobertESheridan
today. Great chats and coffee/tea were had. Cheers, buddy. Let's do it again. Next time we'll host some Irish UAP beers. All welcome
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@michaelshermer
@SenSchumer
You're purposely omitting details from this legislation and twisting the exact text for the purpose of ridicule. It strikes me that if you don't really have faith in your own argument, if you did you wouldn't have to distort your opponent's position.
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So it looks like knowledge of who we are, who they are, and our place in the universe is being hidden by a few corrupt politicians. It's hard to find words to describe how history will view these people. I think catastrophic disclosure could be needed to move this forward
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I'm starting to think that the phenomenon purposely represents itself to us as something we can understand rather than what it is.
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Thank you, Congresswoman Luna. I've never seen a situation where a senior civil servant alludes to a lack of credibility on a whistle-blower, congressional hearings, and even Congress. This needs a response
#uaphearing
#AARO
#UAP
#Congress
We just had a witness (Grusch) testify to Congress he was in fear for his life and his former boss (Kirkpatrick) decides to post a letter attempting to discredit him? Seems odd.
Kirkpatrick, why did you not follow up on Grusch’s concerns when he disclosed them to you?
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@AdamGoldsack
@MarkWarner
@RepMikeTurner
@SecDef
All of them have the commonality of receiving lobbying funds (I call it bribery) from the same type of organisation.
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3. Finally, everyone in this community means a lot to me. On both sides of the debate. The differences between us are small. So let's not forget that.
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I highly recommend that people read Richard Dolan's books on the subject. Especially UFOs and National Security State. This is a historical treatise on the subject of UAPs. Many of us state that the UAP phenomenon needs to be taken seriously. Well, we do this by supporting
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There's one question I want to ask of those who know more than I do on the phenomenon, and that's "is there hope for us in all this?". Is this moment signifying a spiritual awakening, a progression in evolution or cementing our place in the cosmos.
SOL concluded a bit ago with a short but very poignant presentation by David Grusch, who joined via Zoom. His key comments, verbatim:
- Imagine a future where we no longer need to speculate about our place in the cosmos.
- The release of info on NHI has the potential to unite
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To debunkers, it's more about winning the argument than investigating the claim. They don't change their mind with new facts. They only change their argument.
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Peer review of Mick's analysis.
1. Mick cannot state motion is or is not parallax without knowing the degree to which the MQ-9 camera stabilizes the image to compensate for MQ-9s motion.
2. Comparing size with balloon purposely creates bias towards balloon without evidence
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