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A LONG thread on Venti’s approach to Archonhood! Goes over the Aristocracy, Cataclysm, misconceptions, and thematic importance to the story. #GenshinImpact #genshinlore
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I notice that a lot of people are confused by them, so here’s a full analysis of Jing Yuan and Yanqing’s familial relationship, and why it’s incredibly nuanced: it’s not abuse, but it’s not domestic bliss either. aka. Jing Yuan’s generational wealth (and trauma) 🧵
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Was Stormterror’s Lair really as closed off as we think 2600 years ago? There are some really weird details that don’t always add up.#venti #carmendei #GenshinImpact #genshinlore
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her German was so bad he burst into tears.
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I love this scene but my problem with it is that so many people keep saying he deserved it when a lot of the lore contradicts otherwise. It’s ok for venti to not have deserved it. Like she’s cruel and you can still like her.
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As of late, I’ve seen a lot of misconceptions regarding the Cataclysm in Mondstadt, so here’s a comprehensive thread on the characters, events, and effects of the Cataclysm! Goes over Durin, Signora, and Barbatos’ involvements!.#Genshinlmpact #genshinlore #venti #SIGNORA
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I love how Zhongven is the trope ”hottest bitch in existence x loser” and it can easily go both ways.
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his proverbs are he/hymn
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quick note here; venti isn’t retired! It’s more like he’s on stand-by until a divine threat hits mondstadt. Zhongli is 100% retired but would still probably help protect Liyue outside the “test” because he’s nice.
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sethoscara cooks so hard actually because what do you mean they’re both rejects of divine power that they were supposedly destined for and now they’re figuring out who they are outside of that lost divinity.
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@galaxvee I LOVE THIS THREAD!!! Barbatos is a god built on love, faith, and caring for his people, and they love him and Mond the same way. Barbatos is a selfless god that always puts his people first, and he doesn’t need to be separated from his people or on the throne to be a good Archon.
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I really really enjoy the fact that so much of Venti’s character surrounds love. his love for mondstadt, his love for his friends, his love for the world and life itself. His incredible capacity for devotion perfectly subverts a traditional ideal of “freedom”.
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It is genuinely so fucking funny to me that Bakugou is naturally good at everything because the one thing that holds him back from being perfect is his shit personality and it is so bad that it cancels out everything else.
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Xiao having the worst realization in history
That’s not flute guy anymore that’s flute god.
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I know this is probably just a visual effect but tightly holding onto my delusion of Venti with stars in his hair in his archon form
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It makes me sad that it’s so often forgotten that venti’s core motivation isn’t of guilt or sorrow or grief, it’s Love, for so many different people and places and the world itself.
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Venti passes control over to Mondstadt and gives up his own ability to watch over them in turn. This is what Mondstadt asked of him, so Venti gives them power over their own future.
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Responsibility was given to Mondstadt itself, but Venti put leaders in place and created order before leaving. He didn’t abandon his people, he gave them what they needed until they didn’t need him anymore.
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Thinking about why the god of time goes by “kairos” instead of ”Kronos“ or something similar… “kairos” means “quality time” while Kronos means “clock time” when compared. Kairos is defined by memories. #genshinlore #GenshinImpact
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I think its funny that people think Barbara is homophobic because she’s religious or whatever because. Let’s be real. No church dedicated to Venti is ever going to be homophobic. Windblume is essentially Mond‘s pride month.
ppl say that “barbara is homophobic” but they’ll never mention her massive crush on noelle
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Venti aurora borealis aesthetic? He did live in the snowy lands of Old Mond once upon a time
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Every Archon is different, and acts accordingly based on their own ideals and beliefs for their nation.
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we really need Venti story quest that’s properly Venti-centric. Like not helping out an NPC that’s a sadder parallel of Venti or running around trying to figure out what a Windblume is, but a genuine character exploration that isn’t about anybody else.
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I love Zhongven because during the archon meetings you know Venti was all over Zhongli but it never worked because Zhongli didn’t get it and now .venti: meh I’m too old to fool around with love. I’m gonna travel!.zhongli: now that I’m retired I can finally romance Barbatos!.
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Firstly, there’s an entrance. It matches all of the architecture, so it was there for a long time. Why would Decarabian have a bridge and opening to the area if he had locked it away, especially something so permanent? If it was for emergencies it wouldn’t be so developed.
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Mondstadt can’t have both freedom and a present Archon at the same time. Because of the way “faith” and “power” work, Mondstadt has to give and take.
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Note that I don’t believe that Venti’s approach is perfect. Like Zhongli and .Raiden Ei, Venti is flawed, because the archons are just as human as the mortals they rule. No approach is going to be “perfect” since they all have to give and take for their nations’ prosperity.
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I feel like venti is very heavily mischaracterized because a) Paimon (sorry it’s true) b) he’s a character whose actions mean more than his words and c) most of said actions are in weapon and artifact lore so nobody sees them.
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It’s likely that Barbatos’ approach is one of the most forward and visionary we’ve seen out of most of the Archons in preparation of the gods’ eventual disappearance in mortal affairs.
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So why would there be an entrance and bridge? My reasoning: trading. There was obviously no sunlight and it must have been extremely difficult to farm crops or raise animals, and getting other resources like cloth and metal would be even harder.
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There’s also a visible road. This road must have been OLD old, since it is deeply engraved in the mountains, even AFTER Barbatos flattened the land. This can’t have been a coincidence. There’s even a Teleport Waypoint by the entrance, and those are ancient artifacts.
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I’m not sure if this is a coincidence but Venti has seelie energy
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Note that in this age of humanity, changes are being made in the system to keep up with the rapid advancements in Teyvat. Mondstadt is free to live in their own way, but Inazuma needs a stable leader right now. Freedom isn’t perfect for every nation, at least presently.
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But what would he trade? Well, Stormterror’s Lair is VERY suspicious. We know that there was some kind of advanced technology because of the light actuators and the “Shadow of the Ancients” event.
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Yanqing is covered in lucky charms: his longevity lock, his bell bracelet, and red anklet. These are all representative of longevity (essentially, Jing Yuan begging Yanqing not to die like the rest of his friends.) Yanqing lacked a normal childhood and helped in the Foresight.
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Why does the responsibilty of intervening fall on their “god” when their ancestors took it upon themselves to fight for their own freedom against Decarabian? . Yes, it was a terrible thing that happened, but it’s not just Barbatos’ responsibility, it falls on the people too.
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we need another quest for Venti just to clarify his characterization because let’s be honest nobody gets him.
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There’s a lot of value in making mistakes, and having the ability to slip up and learn from it is important to Mondstadt and Venti’s own philosophy of “journey over the destination).
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If you hate him because he’s ugly then I’m 100% cool with that b/c his pants are stupid but if you hate him because of a mischaracterized version of his personality I’m just going to assume that you have no literary analysis skills
Who's a character that someone hating is an instant red flag for you?. Mark seems like an annoying boyfriend to have idk
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Decarabian’s Tower also can’t be descended too far, so we‘ll never know what is at the bottom. Was he hiding something powerful down there, like some kind of energy source? The light actuators helped hold up the wind walls, or at least monitored them from the Archon Quest.
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Signora beat the shit out of him b/c he was annoying. What a queen. I support women’s wrongs.
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So Decarabian would need to reach out for resources outside the city, so the roads were restricted for merchants able to brave the blizzards: essentially, well-equipped rich people. He could let people in with a small opening, like a gateway.
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This is a complicated issue. The Aristocracy was absolutely tragic, and the cruelties committed should never have happened. However, placing the full blame on Barbatos is unfounded, and there’s a lot of evidence pointing to why.
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Yanqing is actually really humble and even lacks self-worth in many of his stories and voicelines. He often refers to himself as a “sword”, which would be less concerning if he didn’t so often treat himself as one. He disregards his own achievements and thinks harshly of himself.
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Jing Yuan is extremely protective of Yanqing, to the point that Yanqing is one of the only characters that Jing Yuan allows himself to act emotionally upon. He wants to see Yanqing survive AND achieve his dreams. enter: HIS BATSHIT PLAN TO GIVE YANQING CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT
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TLDR: Decarabian wanted to keep everybody inside, but this probably wasn’t possible because of lack of resources, so they’re elide on trade. So only rich people and licensed merchants could see the sky. Bard got mad at the injustice and started a rebellion.
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We know Yanqing is an orphan. This has been established since day 1, he could have been found by JY in a garbage dump for all we know and Yanqing is deeply insecure about this. He tries to brush it off, but it’s clear that Yanqing has issues with abandonment and innate worth.
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this is so funny because Venti literally has a whole line in his story quest about people being stuck in the past being unable to move forward into the future,,, and his main motif being HOPE?!? FOR A BRIGHTER FUTURE?!?.
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Venti has faith in Mondstadt, and Mondstadt holds faith in him. This two-way relationship offers a degree of freedom that allows both to flourish. Morax is learning to have faith in Liyue.
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@milkytrickster I just wanted to say thank you for the varied skin tones you use in your art, as a darker-skinned person I always feel so welcome in my favorite characters! I’ve loved your content for a while, but I never had the confidence to speak up about it. so thank you so much!.
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Most uniquely and INCREDIBLY important to their relationship is how Yanqing represents a new start to Jing Yuan. Yanqing is often associated with spring, swallows, and clear skies that clear away clouds (cough the high cloud quintet.) he’s also uhh doomed
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Even though Mondstadt doesn’t share the same prosperity that Liyue does, the success of its people adds credibility to its focus on freedom.
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@windsgrandode I love that Venti romanticizes the little things in life, it helps make the world feel more alive and open by seeing it from a smaller scale. Maybe he likes the cold because it reminds him of the snow around Decarabian’s walls in the past?.
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@windflowerlia We know Nameless Bard was probably a peasant because of his attire: brown cloak, dark colored vest, and simple fashion style. This is a pattern throughout commoner’s fashion from 2600-1000 years ago in Mondstadt history.
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i like to think that Venti’s :< face after Dvalin left is actually him severely repressing his emotions to remain calm in front of everybody and stay professional even though his son just decided to join an emo band.
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End of thread. TLDR: please stop calling the YQ & JY dynamic abuse and stop calling it domestic bliss. they’re just like that.
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@windflowerlia One thing that doesn’t really line up is Amos. She was a lady (the lover of the lord of the tower) so her yearning for the world outside shouldn’t have been too hard. Maybe Decarabian wanted to protect her from Andrius like the rest of the city.
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On the opposite end, Jing Yuan is a stagnant, tired man who only recently was able to move past his grief, and this is heavily on display in the Luofu main quest. He is also INCREDIBLY manipulative, and his character story 1 tells us this straight off the bat.
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It also matches an Alchemy Table and lines up with ”Ley Lines”. To see info on Ley Lines and their relationship to historical locations in Teyvat, check out Lia’s thread on the Ley Lines: Check them out great theorist and lore expert: @windflowerlia
great time to remind everyone that venti's statue in mondstadt points directly towards windrise, cape oath, and the spiral abyss. (ie., a very cryptic ley line theory thread. it's such a big topic with so many connections. not everything is here. not nearly everything.)
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It’s literally stated in game that the only duty of an archon is to guide humanity to its desires (final act of Sumeru archon quest from Dottore). Venti gave his people what they wanted and lost his power as a result. That’s not laziness— that’s calculated sacrifice.
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But that’s enough of their issues. i’ll end the thread with happy aspects about their relationship! Jing Yuan played Aetherium Wars with Yanqing, and buys swords to reward him! Also, he reminds Yanqing to brush his teeth after candy
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Yanqing felt like Jing Yuan was subtly comparing him to Yunli and his insecurities got the best of him, leading him to run. This is a great snapshot of Yanqing’s character and his fears, but it’s usually reduced to Jing Yuan attempting to ship the two.
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Part 5: Mistakes Come With Freedom (And The Importance of Learning From Them)
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Although Jing Yuan gave him a pep talk about learning the true reason behind the sword, the root of Yanqing’s insecurities were never about losing, they were about failing Jing Yuan. This is extended in Cosmodyssey- Yanqing is scared of Yunli because he feels compared.
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So combine a people pleasing and self-objectifying child soldier to a manipulative, grieving and painfully emotionally reserved immortal, and then we finally get into what we’ve been waiting for: their dynamic!.
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When it comes to Rostam, it was not Barbatos’ fault that he died. The Cataclysm was a massive war that almost ripped apart Teyvat and killed multiple gods. Rostam chose to fight for his country and battle the monsters so that Mondstadt could have a chance at a future.
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Another tragedy that occurred in Mondstadt, although the Cataclysm was an international event that shook all seven nations and kickstarted some of the major conflicts of present Teyvat. Venti was awake during the Cataclysm, fighting Durin with Dvalin’s help.
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This is pretty emphasized through his stories, but Yanqing harbors a massive debt (filial piety, or xiào) to Jing Yuan for taking him in. Whether or not JY ever said this to him, Yanqing feels these expectations keenly and are constantly weighing over him.
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I feel like they have similar arcs/parallels regarding loss and humanity, and seeking the answer for why suffering exists, and they’re both so selfless and kind despite everything that’s happened. They “save the common people” by giving up some of their own luxuries
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This backfired. What was meant to slow Yanqing down destroyed his confidence, and although Jing Yuan tried to resolve this at the end of the quest, Yanqing’s issues only deteriorated until his inevitable breakdown in Sword Essence— his desperation to redeem himself.
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Unlike Yanqing, Jing Yuan has been incredibly stagnant ever since the fall of the HCQ, and only felt as though he was living again after Yanqing entered his life. He’s bored of his job and bored of living, with the exception of his student.
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Yanqing’s obsession with this concept has been acknowledged before. He’s often overly apologetic and quickly tries to make amends, and rarely steps out of line in most situations. The heliobus event was an incredible loss of face for Yanqing and JY, thus the apology.
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Mondstadt has enjoyed great prosperity with only one period where things truly went south: the Aristocracy. This is over 2000 years of happiness that shouldn’t be marred by a couple centuries of disarray at most. Again, Mondstadt can’t have freedom and a present archon at once.
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@kuesoos2 The winds were super boring until Venti blew some life back into the party. He really said “my siblings have no personality. Let’s fix that”. Maybe the winds faded in power similar to Andrius and died off for a while until Venti revived them like how he made Andrius a spirit body.
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How We Got To “Losing the Old Happy Self”. Jing Yuan always planned for Yanqing to be humbled by Blade and Imbibitor Lunae. It’s why he didn’t stop Yanqing as proven in YQ’s story 5. The Luofu quest was Jing Yuan’s solution to resolve all of his personal issues and the crisis.
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Jing Yuan is manipulative and incredibly intelligent: he’s a genius strategist who has kept the Luofu at peace for centuries and has been able to plan victories countless steps in advance. This is pushed further via his chess metaphors and the giant board in the Foresight.
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But he’s always had to put his head in front of his heart. Jing Yuan has always been obligated to duty from the Sedition of Imbibitor Lunae to Jingliu’s quelling, and has largely never been able to choose himself. He laments his fate and wants to be a Galaxy Ranger of all jobs
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Okay but the DETAIL?!? The accurate architecture. Amos. Ragnvindr. Mostly spears being wielded by the common people. Long cloaks being the common fashion. THE OG DESIGN OF THE FAVONIUS SPEAR
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First, a quick analysis of Yanqing. I’ll break it down into the elements that most affect Yanqing’s relationship with Jing Yuan: his origins, self-objectification, filial piety, saving face, and how Yanqing represents a new beginning for both JY and the Luofu.
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This is repeated over and over again. Yanqing tends to be deeply protective of Jing Yuan and recognizes he has unsaid burdens that must be upheld and grief that Yanqing wishes to alleviate from him.
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Not everything needs to be justified or comeuppance so you can like a character in a god-honoring way.
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On Signora: that’s a whole other topic, but we don’t know if she holds a grudge against Barbatos personally or is making the most out of her power. She doesn’t seem to remember her past, and even then, only took her anger out on the monsters.
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He gave up his power because he trusted that Mondstadt could lead themselves. This includes sleeping to regain power, also for Mondstadt’s sake.
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For new year’s, Yanqing got hongbao and this is usually gifted by elders, so it’s likely that Jing Yuan gave this to him. When he’s out of money, Jing Yuan makes sure to pay for Yanqing’s food!
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Make any connection you want between Rostam’s death and how Venti is to blame for it, but Signora did not kick Venti for revenge BECAUSE SHE DIDN’T EVEN REMEMBER ROSTAM. SHE FORGOR UNTIL TENSHUKAKU
I love this scene but my problem with it is that so many people keep saying he deserved it when a lot of the lore contradicts otherwise. It’s ok for venti to not have deserved it. Like she’s cruel and you can still like her.
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