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// Genshin & Theory of Forms (ToF)
Part 1: Intro to ToF (brought to you by 🟣 + Ei & her puppet family)
While I think many of Plato’s ideas connect to the hoyoverse, there’s one philosophy I’d like to talk that I believe is the most prevalent ig… the Theory of Forms
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// genshin 4.2 spoilers
The tiara (samsara) cycle is:
Ice crown (hyperborea)… followed by…
Fire crown (natlantean)… followed by…
Water crown (Remuria)… followed by…
Electro crown (Current Era)…
Coincidence 🤔?
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A long time ago, in a twt post far far away, I said I was going to make a 🧵on the potential significance of the Aurora Borealis appearing at the Fatui Harbinger gathering for Signora’s death.
… then I forgot the idea completely 🫣 but here it is, aurora symbolism time!
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So Bennett will finally have his birthday on the actual day in the year of the dragon?
And he was found as a baby in (most likely) Natlan… which seems like it’s going to be very dragon-heavy lore wise?
Probably doesn’t matter but… what if it does 🥸
BENNETT'S BIRTHDAY IS FINALLY COMING 2024 IS A LEAP YEAR
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Why the heck is “mint” not affected by The Withering?! Or at least strong enough to resist it… whatever the heck that means?
I know it’s associated with the underworld and funerals but still… 😵💫
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Two women with the same eye color, same hair color (minus blue bits as far as we can tell), incredibly similar hair styles… who are both into mechanical things…
… but yeah sure… it’s soooo crazy to think there’s any sort of connection between Sandrone and Guizhong 🙄
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Abyss Mages with names connecting to Germanic/Norse sagas/Alberich?!
The 9 named AMs that appear are:
1. Gibica
2. Gundomar
3. Gundahar
4. Gislaharius
5. Hageno
6. Waldere
7. Kriemhild
8. Gernot
9. Irung
A generic overview for reference later 🧵
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// Genshin 3.5 - Interlude Quest
Intial thoughts / notes 🧵 on the Caribert quest…
For such a short quest (compared to some of the more recent ones) there’s a lot to unpack here…
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Continuing the nonsense posts…
What if the loading screen element line is actually a secret message saying “Raise the door to cutoff the power housed in The Eye (perception/understanding)”
Totally reasonable right?
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// Genshin 3.5 - Windblume
Some very disorganized notes/thoughts on the prophecy completion in Windblume + The Mage’s Tea Party video 🫣
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Alhaitham tells us:
• the origin of writing & language are lost, and it’s forbidden to look into
• eternal silence is the only answer given to the “profoundest eternal questions”
These might seem negative… but maybe this video gave us a hint on the truth of Silence.
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After playing Fontaine’s world quests, I’m even more convinced that Sandrone and Guizhong are connected… but not in the way I was expecting back in February (Sandrone being some kind of puppet made by Guizhong or someone that knew her)
*constellation theory intensifies*
Two women with the same eye color, same hair color (minus blue bits as far as we can tell), incredibly similar hair styles… who are both into mechanical things…
… but yeah sure… it’s soooo crazy to think there’s any sort of connection between Sandrone and Guizhong 🙄
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Going down the “origin of words” rabbit hole…
I wonder if the reason the developers use farming references for Khaenri’ah machines ties into the biblical Cain and the fact he was a farmer.
Ya know, the first son of Adam and Eve, who murdered his brother Abel out of jealousy…
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I would like to propose that the genshin lore community start using an agreed upon hashtag … the algorithm has made it harder and harder to share things with eachother and with the amount of work theories take they shouldn’t fade into oblivion cause some dumb algorithm
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Aristotle & Alhaitham:
A 🧵on why Alhaitham’s actions and behavior might indicate he believes the aim of humankind is obtaining happiness (the pursuit of goodness) ~
(At least maybe my Aristotle’s definition)
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// genshin 4.2 spoilers
Based on what the gnoses are made of + “…And all fragments of the primordial were driven to devour eachother”
…🫣
I still have no evidence to support my theory that the purpose of the Archon War was to use the remains of the gods to create fate/visions/constellations…
But the gods do have demon names… and there’s an unknown “contract” aspect to visions… —
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… oh my oh my
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I forgot they gave us the layout of the elements on the 7 point star… 🧐
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Is it just me, or is the deshret mask eerily similar to an abyss mage mask… ?
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According to the Serinitea Pot descriptions, the Goddess of Flower’s Padisarah is a hibiscus, which gives it some very interesting cultural ties…
A smol 🧵 on hibiscus connections — from the Queen of Sheba to the goddess Kali (and some stuff in between)
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Guizhong’s demon name, Haagentus, likely derives from the ars goetia Haagenti
1. A bringer of wisdom on various subjects (as shown with her talents in music and mechanics, and understanding of humanity)
2. Brings simplified meaning to difficult initiatory concepts (also maybe —
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The Nymph’s Dream Artifact Set & The Story Within (Part 1)
This artifact story has a lot to unpack, so I wasn’t able to fit it all in one post without it becoming excessively long 😅
Part 1 covers roles and characters of the story, as well as the tale of the hero and the dragon
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Looks like the Seelie statues in Enkanomiya are more detailed/less broken 👀
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Alhaitham Story Quest - Illusions of the Mob:
A look at how he’s so dang on point at predicting things + how we might have been given the solution to the problem seen in his story long long ago…
A smol 🧵
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// genshin 3.6 - Nahida Quest
Ok my first attempt at making this post got deleted… so I’m going to make an abbreviated post about what bothered me the most… the timeline
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I love how the 7 elements are called the “7 rememberances” in Neuvillette’s character stories… and the Traveller gathers memories (instead of Stellar Fortuna) for their constellations
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When threads make you brainrot like 🧐 (sorry my handwriting is messy I was trying to put this together quickly… ok that’s a lie it’s just always messy)
But I think geo / dendro and cryo / hydro are different forms of the same element… but there’s a … change factor kind of?
thinking about how istaroth is a god of 'wind', not anemo, but then zhongli is a god of 'geo', not earth...i'm so curious as to what makes the distinction between the teyvat elements and others? i'm assuming its the origin of the element, thus making zl a teyvat native?
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Soooo I was using an app to catalogue the ridiculous number of flower types in my parents garden, and I came across these… the princess flower? Pleroma urvilleanum?
Idk it looked so strangely similar to GoF flowers…
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// Genshin & Theory of Forms (ToF)
Part 3: The Last Part of this Super Extended Intro to ToF, Sacred Sakura & Enkanomiya edition 🌸
This time we’ll be taking a brief look at some ToF concepts that are a little more abstract: space, time, memory, and knowledge
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// Genshin 3.6 spoilers
I would never download a mod for genshin cause I wouldn’t ever want to risk losing my account… but this area makes me wish I had the camera one so badly 😭
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Round 3 of talking about Dainsleif’s sus comment:
“A thousand years have passed since the God of Anemo left this land — But to me, it has only been half that time.”
And with that in mind… when’s the last time you looked at the Brave Heart artifact set?
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Deshret and Zhongli have a strange number of similarities…
Maybe similarities is wrong word… parrallel references?
To previous list composed of four corners and gold … let’s add them being gods of war and order
Oh and the gold stone thingies … that look like big cor lapis
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Fu Xuan’s eyes going from yellow to pink to blue while divining 👀
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A mini 🧵 on the optics connection between some important historical figures, and how they may have influenced Alhaitham’s character.
From Aristotle to Ibn al-Haytham to Newton we go ~
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The Traveler’s voiceline about “being worshipped doesn’t feel right” reminds me of the Chasm Crystal’s “why do you bow down? For I am no god…” line 🤔
Which also makes me think of how Deshret is referred to as a god multiple times, but his only title with god in it is god-king
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@Ashikai
Serapis = Scaramouche? Cause the whole… invented god thing… meant to help maintain Ptolomey’s (Akademiya) rule + bridge the Egyptians (sand) with the Greeks (forest)… 🤔
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Has Celestia always been see-through? I don’t remember being able to see the moon through it before, but I also don’t look at it very often so maybe I just didn’t notice 😅
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// Genshin & Theory of Forms (ToF)
Part 2: Extended Intro to ToF, the art edition… brought to you by Ei & her puppet family (but pretty much only Scaramouche because the thread got too long…)
aka… what happens when an artist lets their sketch run around?
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“Sorry, I’m going to be late… I have an urgent matter requiring immediate attention”
Urgent matter requiring immediate attention:
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@thomapics
Left his mom in Mondstadt to bring his dad wine… didn’t find his dad… but made some cool friends… and then was like “yeah I’ll stay here”. Ditched mama for his homies is a red flag… /j
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// Genshin 3.5 - Caribert Spoilers
1. Kaeya isn’t exactly a dishonest person … but he certainly knows how to use words to his advantage.
More specifically… when Paimon asked if he was involved with the abyss order in any way.. he never actually said “no” 😒
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Is it just me… or are Alhaitham’s and Dehya’s symbols really similar…
Not saying they’re the same they just… feel… similar… like two different versions of the same idea…
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So… you’re telling me Zhongli can’t create a gold currency (Mora) without a gnosis…
… but Deshret could? 🧐
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// genshin 3.5 spoilers
Maybe the significance of 2pm in the formula is that it’s the opposite of 2am… which happens to be when “time & wind” were strongest on Nameless Island?
Growing a mushroom that’s the opposite of Rukkhadevata’s —
// Genshin 3.5 - Caribert Spoilers
— why does a field of dead bodies attract monsters though… and what’s the significance of 2pm…
Then there’s the medicine: made of reverse-colored rukkhshava mushroom, Kalpalata Lotuses, and Sumeru Roses… hm.
(10/?)
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So the Traveller was the camera operator.
The person who is not only responsible for capturing the scene, but for deciding the scene’s “perspective”
Basically, a film studio role metaphor for “the witness”
Maybe there’s some significance in Paimon being the “clapperloader”?
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A reference thread of anything that I think is remotely close to the primogem coloring (will add stuff to it as I come across it)
The condensed hopes and dreams of universes that once were…
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Genshin’s world is getting smaller and smaller…
Al-Farghani’s work listed in the twt was an extensive summary of one of Ptolemy’s works, which were heavily influenced by Aristotle, who was the student of Plato.
The work by Al-Farghani is suspected to have been used for —
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⛰Gimel: Raise/lift-up/carry
❄️Dalet: door/pathway/enter
🌱Zayin: weapon/cutoff
⚡️Aleph: 1st/power/leader
🌪Bet: home/family/in
💧He: behold/to reveal/“The”
🔥Ayin: eye/perception/understand/know
See? So reasonable!
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I think Nahida’s five “ More About Nahida” voice lines might each be related to the different type of artifact 🤔
The most obvious connection is in voicelines 2 and 3, which mention a flower pot (Flower of Life) and Hourglass (Sands of Eon) respectively. —
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• Gnosis resonates with Celestia to give (more?) power to archon
• traveler resonates with power of archon (through statue?) to learn new elements
• paimon resonates with statue (when traveler does), but doesn’t wield the elements…
• both have star energy w/o omni power
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In one of Alhaitham’s idles, we see the words Hule (Hyle), Dunamis, and Telos.
Aristotle‘a best example of this imo is the idea of a seed to a tree
• Hule/Hyle: An acorn
• Dunamis: The potential for an acorn to become an oak tree
• Telos: The acorn became an oak tree! Yay!
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Kind of reminded of the star children from Howl’s Moving Castle with the Hexenzirkel lore and imagery…
Calcifer… star child turned falling star turned demon… hm…
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The term “Aurora Borealis” comes from the combination of:
1. Aurora, the Roman goddess of Dawn; Greek equivalent was Eos.
and
2. Boreas, the Greek god of the north wind (cold winter air)… or in Genshin’s case, Mondstadt’s beloved icy-wind doggo
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And we can also completely ignore the fact that they literally built a domain to stow away her ancient and evil artifacts post her death.
Oh, and the fact zhongli basically said the adepti account of her was through a rose-colored lense…
Pure madness I tell you
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The Genshin fandom makes me sad sometimes… the amount of irrational hate towards people for loving something is just sad
I just wish ppl would love love. Attacking others simply for what they love… especially since there was no malice in why they loved it to begin with… sad
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I’ve seen a lot of theories regarding Griseo’s potential connections to Genshin ever since it was announced she had the signet of stars (project ark bird symbolism, 4 “shades”/creations… lots of fun things)
… but is that a witch I see on her signet as well?
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Side note that City of Gold is the only domain without the crowns/circles above its Irminsul tree 🤔
Also I’d forgotten the petrified trees are called Irminsuls in the resin descriptions… or maybe I just hadn’t ever known since I rarely use it 😅
The fact that there are no Dahri-style ruins in Sumeru’s desert feels really really significant… especially when you consider the fact Amakumo peak has them… and what it took to reveal them.
For the traveler to reach them, we simply had to drain an electro lake, but —
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So there’s a unit of time called a “Muhūrta”, and it might give meaning behind some significant “time of day” related events in Genshin…
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The fact that there are no Dahri-style ruins in Sumeru’s desert feels really really significant… especially when you consider the fact Amakumo peak has them… and what it took to reveal them.
For the traveler to reach them, we simply had to drain an electro lake, but —
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A couple of very smol add-ons to this very well done summary for liloupar and Jeht lore 👀
Btw, if you read this before watching video this might not make sense so… yeah. Do that first.
So first up we have… —
I think this is the first time I'll actually have a brand new video for people to watch during patch maintenance!
Feb 28th @ 5:30pm EST!
Let's talk about all the lore in 3.4!
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Mondstadt’s timeline is… weird 😑
2600-ish years ago:
• Venti defeats Decarabian & becomes Anemo Archon
• Venti does landscaping of Mondstadt
• Venerare (leader of Lawrence Clan) builds Venti statue
… but then the timeline from Unreconciled Stars event says —
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// genshin spoilers
Do you remember the main magic tricks in AQ Act 1 for Fontaine?
Well the two biggest magic tricks in The Prestige:
1. instant travel “door swap” (the power of twins!!)
2. Water tank
Coincidence? I think not
1. Water tank magic tricks will always remind me of The Prestige… and the fact one of the main magicians in the movie was actually a pair of twin magicians that would swap places with eachother… I definitely think there could’ve been an influence. —
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I still have no evidence to support my theory that the purpose of the Archon War was to use the remains of the gods to create fate/visions/constellations…
But the gods do have demon names… and there’s an unknown “contract” aspect to visions… —
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// Genshin 3.5 - Caribert Spoilers
A plan Kaeya might have helped put in motion 🫣
Not to mention the traveler asks Kaeya what they know about Khaenri’ahn and he’s like “oh basically nothing” and then proceeds to identify Dainsleif as a pure-blooded Khaenri’an 🙄
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The Nilotpala Lotus looks like it has a hidden Siggilum Dei symbol on it… the same symbol previously seen on Seelie event boxes 🧐
Will have to come back and analyze what this means… after sorting through all my videos and screenshots 🫥
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Everyone when talking expys (I think that’s the term…) says “maybe Zhongli = Welt”
… but what if “Zhongli = Eden”?
Associated with Gold? Wine? Appreciative and knowledgeable on the finer things in life? Golden house / golden courtyard? Chooses to leave “new era” to others?
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The “rose-fingered” Aurora (Eos) is sister to the sun and moon, Sol (Helios) and Luna (Selene).
Her consort is Astreaus (“starry”), God of Dusk & Father of Stars. Together some of their offspring include:
1. The Anemoi (Venti), winds
2. The Wandering Stars
See table in image —
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I try not to use only Wikip3d1a as a reference for topic info when making lore posts, or at least try to confirm the content in the cited sources when possible…
… but I just noticed in one of the hyv behind the scenes video the dev has 3 wiki tabs open lmao
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// Genshin 3.5 - Caribert Spoilers
In the memory, the dendro archon seems cruel and uncaring.
But the traveler knows a truth that the abyss twin & Alberich didn’t then…
Between being a newly born god and being trapped, Nahida was prob too weak to help 🥺
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Wait… Focalors from Ars Goetia sinks battleships…
Vice Director of the Narzissenkreuz Institute in the Nymph’s Dream artifact set, when the cataclysm began, went off on a battleship and never returned…
FOCALORS WHAT DID YOU DO
I'm still swimming in sand, but I thought it was about time we did a little speculating since Fontaine is right around the corner!
Today at 10AM EST!
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‘Truth can be created through dreams and memories’ is probably the most important line in the entirety of 4.0 for me.
Why?
… because that concept is the backbone of the phantasmagoria theory I’ve been working on since… October 2022 🫣
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“Until at long last, the frozen earth cut itself from the umbilical cord of the continent, as though it had its own will or dreams…”
I have Hyperborea & Ajax lore brainworms and have lots of thoughts…
“The earth is a dream lost to time…”
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// genshin 3.6 spoilers
The voids left behind in elemental life forms due to forbidden knowledge… could they be like black holes (the space ones)
Matter (elements)… space… time… where no light escapes…
Potential ripples in space-time… 🤔
Time to learn about black holes
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Why is Guizhong’s outfit dissolving at the ends? Odd…
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// Genshin 3.5 - Caribert Spoilers
He misdirects answering the question by:
• commenting on the atmosphere to lighten the mood
• asking the traveler’s opinion on if THEY think he would be bound by his ancestry
• says he’ll be happy to help hunt down the AO… tomorrow
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Speaking of sin and sinners… I forgot about Scara’s “About the Tsaritsa” voiceline… and the so-called sin of love… 🫣
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This is such an incredibly well researched and super in-depth theory…
Highly recommend checking it out, it’s just so good… so many things to consider now…
So, I’ve been reading Freud’s psychoanalytic theory of dream interpretation and wanted to try using it as a framework to understand what the Abyss is, what Irminsul edits do to reality, and what forbidden knowledge might be.
Theory post in the replies ⬇️
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I was trying to find something I’d prev posted about how the Traveler is the driving force behind why the Tsaritsa’s plan is successful…
… and then realized I couldn’t find it because the text was in image attachments 😅
So here’s a random notes post (so I can find later)
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@archa1c_l0rd
Actual Teyvat history of 1st descender:
“Well, if we’re going to keep destroying civilizations… we should probably do something about the smell of death, amiright?”
*makes mint grow everywhere*
“Much better~”
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// SPOILERS Genshin 3.0
Aranara Quest Notes / Thoughts 🧵
We’ve been told many times how Nara Varuna helped the Aranara “bring back the moon and sun and stop the black rain.”
Since Nara Varuna is most likely the Traveler’s Twin, the timeline now seems all wonky 😵💫 —
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Some notes I have to add to this brainrot that are slightly obscure 👀
1. Klee has a Story passage I’ve always found odd, one about Alice teaching her how to blow up Snarsnatch Cliff … a location of 2 interesting things
A. Midnight Summer Court… which ties to fischl story —
[1/5]
i can't stop theorizing about fischl h e l p.
what if the raven bow description, fischl book, and other evidences tell of another underground city that, instead of being associated with the god of time, was linked to a god/shade of death? -
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I’m literally in a race with hoyo rn… What will happen first, me finishing part 4, or them confirming (even more of) it before I get it done ? 😭
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White Tassel and the Cleansing Bell in the “Echoes of the Heart” Teaser…
This makes me think the “legendary master of polearm” in the White Tassel description is actually Madame Ping… even though the description says “he” 🫥
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Mini🧵on some thoughts I had in support of the contents of this video (so that I’m not leaving an essay in the comments 😅)
So go watch it before reading this thread if you haven’t already 👀
psst
tomorrow morning we talk about khaenri'ah and their robo army
:)
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Why you should read the Hex and the Hound:
• witches
• another example of “one twin only” in teyvat (until Fontaine… maybe…)
• bodies made with dark magic? Souls into bodies requires light magic? Gnostic material body, spiritual soul anyone?
• connects to doggo and wolf in—
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// Genshin Candace
With the new Candace leaks out, I wanted to share a small 🧵to clear up some misunderstandings on the origin of her name
Candace (Kandake) was actually a royal title used to refer to Queens or Queen Mothers, not the name of a specific historical figure!
🧵
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— for list of some of their children.
So the goddess of dawn is mother to the wind and wandering stars… and sure, if you consider Kairos & 1000 winds connect, her children line up nicely w/ Enkanomiya achievements…
… but what’s that have to do with Signora’s funeral? —
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I’m still thinking about how in the Unreconciled Stars event Fischl referred to the effects of Leonard’s fallen star as a “curse”…
…and how Skirk says that in Teyvat… when people die they become curses
🤔
Fischl has all the secrets
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— than I intended 🫣
OK IN SUMMARY:
I believe the aurora at the funeral is symbolic of Norse Mythology association with fallen warriors + Roman/Greek goddess of dawn symbolism.
& Fatui connect to both as well but that’s a way longer post for a different day.
The end 🥸
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— Great question!
Let’s back up to talking about “auroras” as in the northern lights.
Early this year, Tears of Themis (hoyovrse game) had an event with an interesting bit of dialog on some symbolism for the aurora… it’s association with the kingdom of the dead. —
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I just hope you all are prepared for the flood of Greek philosophy + Genshin lore coming your way with this next update…
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— While it could totally be a coincidence that there’s an aurora in the sky during Signora’s funeral, and have nothing to do with her passing…
I like to think maybe it’s referencing Norse mythology, & how Odin sends the Valkyries to retrieve the souls of the fallen warriors… —
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Just a reminder about this line in Tears of Themis…
Going down the “origin of words” rabbit hole…
I wonder if the reason the developers use farming references for Khaenri’ah machines ties into the biblical Cain and the fact he was a farmer.
Ya know, the first son of Adam and Eve, who murdered his brother Abel out of jealousy…
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// Genshin 3.5 - Caribert Spoilers
3. The Strange Mushroom is colored opposite of the Rukkhashava mushroom (3rd img is description before Irminsul changes)
And it grows… from a field where Calibert’s mom is buried? with water gathered at 2pm, and a special fertilizer…
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Based on the fact the Traveler’s
#1
book recommendation to Ayaka was The Boar Princess, I’m guessing for Alhaitham’s birthday art, the Traveler and Alhaitham are reading each other’s book recommendations…
… poor traveler looks so confused 😂 how adorable
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Theories now on tumblr!
1. Theory on the Traveler as a Companion of Fate
2. Mini Theory: The Three Aspects of Time?
3. Theory on the Hidden Meaning of Venti’s Special Dish
(See replies for links)
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The Sustainer (of teapot principles):
“You may leave all matters regarding the upkeep of this realm to me.
…[We] were created to help guard [the creator’s] realms and manage their affairs.
…This world is not a true one, after all….”
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