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So you’re telling me.. aerith drags cloud on several dates, confesses to him, hugs him, performs various hand holds, all without clouds consent..
but she never got over zack and is in love with him.
And cloud just tags along on the dates with aerith, cuz he’s in love with tifa?
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I’m so happy for the support over my last thread that I felt like I wanted to make another thread cinematically analyzing another scene, the dream date this time!
A thread!!!
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Imagine a grown ass man upset at teenagers and blocking them on all social media because they “hurt” his 7 little boys
My husband is an Army but supports the Hybe ggs. He was so upset after the MHJ incident that he totally stopped listening to NJ and blocked them on all social medias so I get it’s the same for many Armys. He sometimes fight Tokkis on twt defending Bangtan haha.
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I’m still stuck at “you can’t fall in love with me”, this is huge foreshadowing that cloud DOES fall in love with aerith, and she knows what a toll it’ll take on him, like jeez they couldn’t be more obvious…
Can’t believe the devs had to break it down and explain it.
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I think you guys need to deal with the fact that aeriths death scene will NEVER land the same way again, even if they copy pasted the scene in rebirth, it WONT feel the same.
And the devs know that, they are going for a different angle, shock factor only works once.
I've said this before and I'll say it again: Going for shock value instead of emotional value was a mistake.
Shock value only works once, while emotional value will stay with you forever.
The remake trilogy is already huge and I loved Rebirth, there was no need to use and
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This is about the dumbest shit I’ve ever had the misfortune of laying my eyes on.. really who comes up with this crap?
All the shit mentioned here isn’t even related, or taken out of context, or just straight up has no context..
Please replay rebirth please I beg you guys.
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I’ve always wanted to make a thread to fangirl over hamaguchi’s directing prowess, and how he is a master story teller using only visual cues, cinematic shots and tools.
This is one of my favorite scenes/parallels that happen during rebirth, and I want to gush about the details.
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This CA thing is harder than I imagined..
I didn’t know people would be this cinematically illiterate and just doused with infinite amounts of copium..
I genuinely thought everyone knew CA was a thing after playing the game because the game shows u just that /:
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Also adding that even at the end of remake/beginning of rebirth, aerith looks at cloud and says “weird, my stomach’s in knots” she clearly has never felt this way before, and barret dismisses it for hunger xD.
This literally proves the love she feels for cloud is stronger.
この台詞で”エアリス→クラウドへの気持ちは友情確定”という意見に対して言わせて頂きたい。個人的にはむしろ逆。今まで経験したことのない感情だからこそ、その正体が掴めず戸惑っているのでは？
”友情”or”恋” ではなく、”恋”or”愛”
まさにLOVELESSにも登場した『真実の愛』なのではと思います。
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And then the mad lad hamaguchi did it, he actually did it.. a dolly zoom??? Are you kidding me?
This is literally saying, that cloud snapped himself out of it, and sephiroth didn’t set him free like he did in Gongaga…
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And that’s the story I’m supposed to enjoy?
That’s what the devs served up???
You sure???
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I’d appreciate it if this app hid away the horny clotis and pushed forward the good theory crafting ones, I feel like I only see bad takes from that side because those are the ones that gain traction.
I’m just curious if there’s ever been a really good theory by CTs.
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Cloud, by himself, snapped out of it by seeing aerith in danger, he remembered their first meeting, her giving him the flower, literally look at his pupils, he uninsaned himself.
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@mlwjrpg
The best scenes in the game include cloud aerith together, and sephiroth alone. Peak cinema dare I say.
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Remember guys it’s always believe the devs until it has to something to do with aerith dying then it’s just straight up bait and the devs are trying to mislead us to keep a “minority of the fandom” baited because we will make the difference in sales.
the devs giving vague repetitive answers abt aerith’s fate to keep * baited for part three
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I’m trying to understand CTs POV and imagine a tifa song for part 3..
What would it even be about? Since hollow was about cloud and how hollow he feels after losing a certain someone, and nptk a love song from aerith to her most cherished ppl, what would tifa sing about?
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the whispers knocked her over because she was happy to see cloud has returned to himself, and she lost her footing, but he still saved her, he got there in time, also another OG hand hold parallel this time in reverse with cloud on top and aerith on the bottom.
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@QueenLolipopo
@aeiriths
Everything you said can be debunked, aerith isn’t tied to zack the way you think she is, she likes cloud and that’s it..
If in the CA gs date they talked about zack, guess who they talked about in the CT gs date?
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Compelling visual storytelling don’t you think?
And yeah I think we can all agree hamaguchi got that dawg in him.
Thread over!
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Only thing I’ll agree with in this pathetic rage bait of a list is point number 2, specially if they pin tifa against any other character and try to deem any of them better, yall just reek Fr.
But if they’re nice I’ll be nice teehee
Top 5 things CAs hate
1. Tifa Lockhart
2. Tifa stans
3. Working braincells
4. FF7 true lore
5. This guy ⬇️
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@Japanesechipmnk
I think he had a childhood crush on tifa, she was popular and he wanted her attention, which was normal, what I HATE with a passion, is that people say she’s the sole reason he wanted to become a soldier, did we forget sephiroth? Did we forget the townspeople? His aspirations?
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However in the forgotten capital, the whispers are still there, larger than ever, and the moment cloud snaps out of it, sephiroth is seen in the same shot, he is right behind cloud.
So even with sephiroth right there, he chose to run after aerith and save her.
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If you don’t know what dolly zooms are used for, they all have different contexts, but the context for this one is pretty clear.
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Back at it with another thread, a “mini” one this time, but I’ll be analyzing the following scene, extracting the intent behind it, because I see A LOT of people who misunderstood certain aspects of the scene, which make for the core story of the game.
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the full sephiroth transformation happens when cloud assumes a weird stance… a stance he’s never used.
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@midgardeners27
It’s sad because I don’t end most debates because I lost or I won, it’s because I realize I’m talking with people who have no idea of what’s going on in the game, and if you give them proof that shows otherwise, they don’t believe it or say the devs are lying 💀
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Imagine working so hard on making a retrilogy and the most awaited part for some people isn’t the script, cinematography, new ending, ost, or anything to do with good games, they’re just hoping you guys make a sex scene in the game.
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@QueenLolipopo
@aeiriths
Doesn’t take much to debunk aeriths own words, after all she did say “right now, I want to be with you” and she took him on one last dream date as well, how romantic!
Cloud mentioning zack for tifa in the gs date serves the same purpose as him mentioning tifa in the aerith one
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Insane storytelling, while cloud is talking to aerith, the camera is focused on sephiroth… and unfocused on cloud..
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@latinatifa
Tifa… doesn’t understand cloud better than aerith, that’s in the game itself.
Time spent knowing each other =/= actually knowing each other.
If so, then how come aerith could tell that cloud isn’t being “himself” but tifa welcomes these changes in cloud?
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Cloud strikes his sword towards tifa, pushing her back into the lifestream, just like how sephiroth struck his sword and pushed her down the stairs.
This is shot for shot, beautiful parallelism, to show just how much cloud is under sephiroths control.
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the camera glossing over his sword emphasizing the length, like he is wielding a super long sword… and not a buster sword.
His fighting style changes, he is more brutal, slow and calculated, and “pierces” his victims, he is quite literally mimicking sephiroths fighting style.
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I’m trying to be respectful to the “analysis” done here, even though it’s done really poorly.
If you truly made that fully convinced that you are right, and that is what the game intended, and you aren’t being just..ignorant, cool for you that’s good, cuz otherwise…
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I really don’t want to believe that there’s a side more illiterate than the other, because we’re all consuming the same media.. but how is it all bad takes comes from one side? I can’t fathom it..
I understand having no media comprehension, but no literal comprehension too???
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The shot used here is to insinuate insanity/loss of control/consciousness, cloud has literally gone insane, insert shinji meme. He is focused on doing what sephiroth says.
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The devs and directors put those parallels there for us to discover them.
It would discredit them if we didn’t.
Everyone out here taking this and trying to twist it to their shipping narratives feels just a little...𝘸𝘦𝘪𝘳𝘥, let's say lmao. Barret is Barret. Let Barret be Barret.
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@_FirstClassZack
You seriously think this all makes sense?
That this version of the story is cohesive with what they’re showing us?
Do you really think so?
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In the forgotten capital, there is no static, because cloud is already being puppeted by sephiroth, sephiroth didn’t need to try to control him, he was already being controlled.
The whispers are thicker, sephiroths presence strong and known, the whole party can see him.
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This is to show the difference between the Gongaga scene and the forgotten capital.
In Gongaga sephiroth leaves and takes his influence with him, that is how cloud gets clear headed again.
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Imagine instead of using the game and what the directors say, you start calculating YouTube views over which ship has the most views lmaoooo
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he runs after aerith to get the black materia, aerith, standing over the edge, decided to give the black materia to cloud, once he delivers it, he turns his head back, no static involved, he sensed aerith was in danger.
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So what are the main differences?
In Gongaga, there is static for most of the time, static whenever Sephiroth is involved, sephiroth left in Gongaga by himself, it shows the whispers going away, and sephiroth is nowhere to be seen.
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And if you really did pay attention, they added a scene that somewhat equates to the OG death scene, when aerith pushed cloud in the church, it was shocking, it was brave, sephiroth killed her, although we didn’t see it..
It was a visually charged cinematic scene as well.
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Sephiroth asks cloud to give him the black materia, and like a puppet, he obliges, tifa knocks cloud out, and he drops the materia.
Aerith takes advantage of this and gets the materia and tries running away, sephiroth again asking cloud to fetch it again.
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@midgardeners27
I don’t understand what they want, the devs already stated that this wasn’t a faithful “remake” and that there are some major changes on the storyline so far.
If you want the OG story play OG.
Let the devs get creative with their work..it’s THEIR WORK.
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Once cloud got the black materia, sephiroth showed up, this time not in clouds head, everyone can see him, his presence is stronger than ever, and we see that with how cloud acts, he is totally out of it.
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Tifa witnesses this and is immediately distraught by what she sees, she calls out to cloud, trying to stop him, and snap him out of it, there are quick facial expressions that can be seen by cloud that can be interpreted like he is trying to snap out of it, but again, to no avail
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After tifa is pushed, cloud gets a headache, and there it goes again, the static, sephiroth is gone, he withdrew his hold from cloud, and now cloud is lost, looking around, distraught at the dead bodies around him, he remembers what happened to tifa, and this cool scene shows up.
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sephiroth whispers in his ears once more, and now cloud is fully deluded, he approaches tifa, accusing her of not being real, tifa in distress showing him her scar, he lowers his gaze to look at it, but there it goes again, the static! Sephiroth doesn’t want him to see!
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Starting with Gongaga reactor scene, where cloud is slowly being taken over by sephiroth, he tries to push it away, but to no avail, this is shown by the frequent static effects that show on the screen.
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And the scene that is a parallel to the first Gongaga scene is, you guessed it, the forgotten capital scene.
At the forgotten capital, cloud is mentally gone for like 99.9% of the time, sephiroth has had a grip on him since he stepped foot in the place.
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@QueenLolipopo
@aeiriths
She did it say it tho? Even if not, she talks about finding the real him, which was in OG as well.
And honey… reread the tweet, I said they serve the same purpose, and I’m the dumb one huh?
In both cases cloud pops the question to know what aerith feels like regarding z’s death
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Sephiroth then uses the whispers to surround tifa and stop her from physically stopping cloud.
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@mlwjrpg
I mean he could’ve said no to all the dates but nooo, he’s not a grown man or anything like that 🙄
He’s so madly in love with someone else that aerith can snap him out of sephiroths control, what an amazing friendship omygosh
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Doesn’t it get tiring trying to get attention this way?
Doesn’t it get tiring trying dismiss clouds relationship with these girls?
He’s a grown man if he was uncomfortable with anything A or J said, he’d say so.
Cloud is the hero of ff7, not you, stop self inserting.
Jessie, Aerith and those wall market girls should be grateful Tifa isn't the flirty and clingy-type of a girl all the time, bcoz once she tried, it'd be deadly for Cloud like she did on ch8 😹
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@clo_ti44
@sakyaerti
@J3tAl0n3
@strifeologia
Then you should know that there is official art of ff7 by yoshitaka amano who is the official character designer and artist for final fantasy games and he has drawn multiple pictures of cloud and aerith together but none of cloud and tifa.
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@AkaHighGround
If you’re a grown ass man..
You can say no to these dates.
And not accept a date as payment.
And say no to the other dates…
Hope this helps…
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@Bunny_Graceful
I’ve never seen this guy have good takes before, you could post about aeriths house and he comes up and says she only lives there because of zack or some shit and that she built it for him, if u look at the house from ur asshole it forms the letter Z
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But silent when the company released videos of minors and medical records without consent 👍🏻
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She has a big arc where she overcomes her self esteem issues, and breaks out into song, but that doesn’t fit the theme of ff7..
I seriously cannot imagine any other scenario where a song wouldn’t be given to sephiroth, perhaphs maybe a duet between cloud and aerith-
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@luna_freysia
Reading this in Arabic is even worse trust me 💀💀💀
I don’t even think the employee shipped anyone she was just doing her damn job😭
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It would feel odd giving her a song for the big finale, imo if she were to have a song, it would at least be for remake or rebirth, but those two games are building up to (hopefully) a big sephiroth finale, since we are finally hoping to eradicate anything that has to do with -
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I personally feel like the reason tifa has started getting so many haters is because of how some of her toxic hardcore fans act, and people just don’t want to start to associating with them.
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Jenova and sephiroth, for a happy ending, and imo that’s an ending where events in AC don’t happen, like geostigma.
Now where does tifa fit into this.. they’ve said she likes singing, and playing the piano, but I’d assume she’d be too shy to do any of those in public, unless -
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It’s the way cloud protects her, even till the very end, he’s still her bodyguard.
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@KenMastersUSA
I’ve yet to see anything that makes sense, it’s either cloud hates aerith, cloud is zack but only to aerith and he morphs back into cloud for tifa only, cloud gets kidnapped by aerith and… yeah, that’s what I got from them.
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@lunqrtears
You need to scream this LOUDERRRR
Idk how it goes over people’s heads and they end up interpreting it as uhmmm no everything going wrong means they’re not fit for each other romantically…
And it makes me lose a brain cell Everytime I read that.
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I’m so curious as to how this retrilogy will end, some say that it shouldn’t end with a canon couple in mind, but I think for a solid ending, there needs to be a solid and non conforming stance on “what ship is canon”.
If the devs flake out on that commitment, and instead opt -
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This is visually stunning and is a clear indication of them both confirming their feelings, I do not see any visual indication that shows otherwise. They are put under the same spotlight… I don’t feel like I need to explain any further.
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@effeffsevens
How is it Marlene becomes a trustable source for zack when she tells him a guy with long grey hair will kill her, but not when she tells him aerith likes cloud?
Like make ur mind people.
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@WingWvr
Maybe you just got the scene wrong, aerith did not have a good childhood, she only got out from the lab when she was 7, watched her mom die, had to adjust in a new surrounding, freaked people out with her powers, that’s why she didn’t have any friends as a kid
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Where they join their powers one last time to finish sephiroth off, that would have the most climactic effect for a finale, but I’m no dev.
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@Ruyoai
This was not criticism over their art lmao you harassed them over the time they posted it, that’s a completely different thing in case you weren’t aware
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@midgardeners27
@Japanesechipmnk
Bruh I stopped debating with them when they said that aerith sang NPTK for elmyra and not cloud because she met her on a street with worn cobblestones💀
Like that’s not what the game says, what the trailer says, what the song announcement trailer says, nothing says that…
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@RadiantAntiHero
I thought regular people couldn’t go on freely in the lifestream only cetras 🤔
But how come only aerith and zack reunite? If she reuniting with anyone it’s gonna be her biological mom
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@Japanesechipmnk
The whole sequence playing as “cloud as zack” in nibelhiem shows u exactly what cloud was thinking, how he was hoping to be received.
But yeah at the beginning of remake he flirts a bit with tifa, but he only falls in love with aerith, she even told him not to just to spare him
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@klibrncriesalot
I don’t get what’s so hard to read about this scene, I’m appalled that the devs had to explain it!
Like even if aerith and cloud do get married and we get a whole wedding sequence, they’ll just say oh it’s platonic.
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And call me delusional if you want, but I think we have YET another OG handhold reference, with cloud reaching out to aerith in both, but aerith reaching out in one, and aerith pushing him in one, cool parallel…
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@StrawberrieLamb
@_FirstClassZack
I phrased it in such a way that ticks all their boxes, and it still sounds ridiculous.
What a skewed way of viewing the story /:
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Each fandom keeps saying “ just wait till part 3 you’ll cry” to the other.
Just imagine how it would be if we see nothing concrete for part 3 and we’re all bamboozled xD
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The death scene was skillfully pivoted to be about cloud, I don’t think there was a single soul who didn’t expect aerith to not die, they were teasing it from remake, and if you expect it to come.. where is the shock factor then?
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@aerithsclouds
I used to be quiet till rebirth came out and now I can’t stand illiteracy when it comes to certain people.
Because if remake didn’t make it clear enough, rebirth sure did.
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I hate to see how this specific point gets tossed over people’s heads and they end up interpreting that it means cloud and aerith don’t suit each other, when the sequence serves the complete opposite, with both cloud and aerith fighting for each other.
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@Bich_Dingo
They didn’t need to adjust the tone of the game or anything about the game, it could’ve been a faithful remaster, but it is not a remaster, the devs want something different, they have a different vision.
The OG game is good on its own, story and tone is good, they ⬇️
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Me when I play the game facing the wall with my back facing the screen and my ears plugged
@Zanjar_KW
@aeiriths
😂 Waits 😂 Just bc he’s standing in front of her doesn’t mean he’s waiting. This is in HER dream aka she’s in control and he’s still confused what’s happening. Try lucid dreaming and see what happens
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And yes this is a sequence where both cloud and aerith confirm their feelings for one another, it is hard to see it any other way because there is no evidence to support otherwise.
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@Moon_x_Cat
You couldn’t have said it better, i also have a hard time not snapping back at clotis xD.
Honestly I’ve been seeing the negativity around us and I’ve been thinking on making more posts about analyzing the game and clerith scenes just so we have smth else to talk about, and not -
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@KenMastersUSA
It’s funny because Everytime I bring up a good point they don’t even respond lol
They just circle back to uhhh kith scene.
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Why is it such a bad thing to assume tifa is white? Both her parents have white names, and she doesn’t seem mixed at all, there’s no indication that her mom was wutaian, and even when they visit wutai she didn’t say that she’s half wutaian or that she has relatives here -
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His consciousness which I believe is sent in by aerith (white space) entered clouds body that was in that world, which would explain why he was confused, touching his face, asking aerith if they were alive.
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@KenMastersUSA
@FellowClerith
Everytime I argue with them they bring up “ cloud clapping cheeks with teefuh” or “ she makes him sexually aroused” or “she gets him horny” like it’s seriously so sad /:
No one ever mentions her personality, I’m the one who has to say don’t just reduce her to that in clouds eyes.
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Then we get a POV shot of someone..? Looking at cloud get up, then “enters” him, followed by a cute transformation scene camera turn, this means that cloud was watching himself get up.
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@RadiantAntiHero
I just saw a post of the second person talking about who’s hornier cloud or tifa 💀💀
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@midgardeners27
@flo_ezzed
Before playing any ff title I played kingdom hearts 1&2.
My basic knowledge was that cloud and tifa were a thing, cuz ppl said so, but during kh tifa is running around looking for cloud most of the time, and while searching for him they all tell u to go ask aerith, cuz she’d know
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@flo_ezzed
@midgardeners27
Yeah this group thing again, in most debates CT’s say “the journalists say CT is canon” “most people I know say CT is canon, theyplayed rebirth and said it was CT forward”…
Can you not play the game and form your own opinion? Why does your “opinion” have to coincide with others?
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@aerismye
Me anytime they complain “she’s too slow” while her radiant ward is staring at them from the menu.
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