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Once again spiderverse is a case study in how stereotypes and fandom archetypes can override people's understanding of media and that includes fanart
It annoys me people draw Hobie buff when he’s a stick bug and when they draw Pav like a stick bug when he’s buff
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Hobie is like your skinny ass brother who eats everything in the fridge and empties his plate in five minutes because he's a "growing boy"
stop making hobie brown a buff nigga!!!! He is a lanky nigga!!!! He ain’t got NO skin on dem bones!!!!
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This is such a good example on how to age up younger characters and show gradual changes over time like the changes are subtle but it's there!
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Pavitr said OUT LOUD that he's "naturally buff" and only uses one hair product. But the fandom draws him like a twink and view Hobie as this unsanitary "edgy" type because their preconceived notions replace what they actually watched
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Hi I have nothing to advertise except that I am very Normal about spiderverse
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We should really discipline how the woobification of these characters often obscures or downplays what they're meant to represent
The reason why I hate seeing all this uwu riddler shit is because an arena full of white men with guns who were inspired by seeing him on twitch makes me think of very real life very scary scenarios
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I raise you: Hobie growing a garden
Need more art of HOBIE bein soft. Hobie in his casual clothes. Hobie frolicking in a field or smth dawg
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I've been thinking a lot about "intergenerational trauma" movies lately and it's so telling to me how quick the backlash from white viewers was towards this subgenre of film in contrast to the catharsis and comfort POC were able to get from it.
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Don't go here but reading the replies is interesting. People are questioning why colonized peoples are always given the role of the extremist villain in media on a broader scale and still no one gets it.
this is a good example of why media analysis doesn't work well on here: someone makes a valid point on overall themes/messaging and someone responds with "but its justified in the show"
but WHY was it written that way? that's the point being made
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I think people (mainly nonblack people) are terrified of portraying a black person as anything other than generically "nice" and they just do not know how to engage w black characters that have more than one personality trait so they flatten them instead
the sunshine boy-ification of miles morales in the atsv fandom needs to be studied because not once has he ever acted like that
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I been saying this but a lot of people overlook that this is also the second time they've done something like this to him, hence why Miles goes "it worked the first time, why not run it back?" (Albeit on a smaller scale w more justification)
what i really hope for in the next movie is that miles doesn’t forgive g gwen and peter to quickly. it needs to take time for him to forgive them
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Alternatively:
if you're sad this is a sign to draw your two biggest comfort characters as the steven meme. yeah my ocs my comfort character. yeah my ooak lagoonas my comfort character.
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Hi I make very unserious art
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Omg this Spiderverse fanart is so cool someone redesigned Gwen Stacy 😍
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I came as fast as I could
if you're sad this is a sign to draw your two biggest comfort characters as the steven meme. yeah my ocs my comfort character. yeah my ooak lagoonas my comfort character.
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People's inability to zoom out far enough to examine what certain tropes in media represent politically outside of the world of the story never fails to amaze me
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Doodles because I am obsessed with the silhouette this one hairstyle creates on Margo
#Spiderverse
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@lych333s
I think Hobie was kinda onto him which is why he quit the second he got the chance and was only there to protect the most vulnerable spideys
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Added some color! This is the vibe
#SpiderVerse
Sorry I have to have Margo serving early 2010s Disney Channel realness
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+ pilot Hobie! He will get u to ur destination but he can't guarantee that you'll get there in one piece
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In hindsight the fact that nobody sees this nigga climbing walls and shit is the most New York thing about this movie. I'm convinced that no Spider-Man story could take place anywhere else
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Giggles
Don't let the weirdos see this but those artists that reinterpret Gwen as a lightskin black girl kinda ate lemme make my own design rq
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@lych333s
The way that they just cannot handle characters that they can't see themselves in somehow has genuinely ruined fandom 💀
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One complaint that constantly came up about movies such as Encanto and EEAAO was that the films presented a scenario in which growth and forgiveness were possible within broken families. I think white people (especially in the West) are obsessed with punishment, +
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Shipping them is not enough we need to drop them into the most cliché fanfiction scenarios
#flowerbyte
#SpiderVerse
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Miles bassist and vocalist in Hobie's band WHO’S WITH ME⁉️
#AcrossTheSpiderVerse
#MilesMorales
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Mind you he was the most useless adult character in the entirety of atsv he fell off bad...
when people just add peter b in their spideygang fanart but not margo...?
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Aside from the utter illiteracy yt folks have in anything that doesn't center them, I also think it betrays a reluctance towards reconciliation and kindness that goes beyond superficial 'niceness' that they should probably look into 🥴
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I side-eye anyone who says that Miles being rightfully angry about something is "out of character". He is extremely justice-oriented and has never been afraid to call people out and whoop some ass if it comes to that. He's not harmless just bc he's nice 😭
Real talk (mini 🧵)
Imma need Miles to get mad asf in beyond. I I don't want no one talking abt some "mischaraterlization" after everything he's been through. He deserves to get every ounce of backed up anger out of him-
Like ofc he doesn't need to be a straight up
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Like they're really gonna have to EARN his trust two-fold for me to be satisfied now that they no longer have the excuse of Miles being inexperienced bc he can very much hold his own
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Miles kinda ate when he asked Miguel if he was even really Spider-Man because why are YEW the one who decides who's an anomaly and who's not when you have to get injections to be a spidey in the first place like ur a PHONY
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which is why the idea makes them so uncomfortable that they can't even bear to IMAGINE such an outcome. None of these films' core messaging suggest that you *have* to forgive anyone (the parents take accountability), but the depiction alone seems to make their blood boil.
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Like...people do not do this with Peter Parker (to my knowledge, and probably not to the same extent if they do). Let Miles be the smart-ass, quippy, boyfail nerd that he was always meant to be 💔
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This made me realize that for most POC, being cut off from your community *is* a form of punishment. The construct of whiteness doesn't really lend itself to any genuine community to begin with, so the disconnect then becomes obvious.
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All this is to say that, I think white people need to start reflecting on their own identities and relationship to community (or lack thereof) instead of assuming themselves to be neutral, passive viewers. You'll learn a lot about yourselves.
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Sorry I have to have Margo serving early 2010s Disney Channel realness
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Most of the people in my circle loved it it was just miserable yt men who want everything to be for and about them that were yapping on the tl. I'd even argue that the "cringe" was literally the point and made the portrayal of adolescence that much more accurate
I relate to this film so much because generational trauma, but people can't see past the 'cringe'
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Miles never being allowed to have anything other than a fade or waves is TRAGIC
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In EEAAO for example, the mother does experience consequences for the way she treats her family (she is told she's become the worst version of herself in ANY universe!) but that didn't register for some. +
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See also: the same demographic responsible for this "sunshine boy-ification" of Miles often can't tell the difference between being *nice* and being *kind*. Miles is kind, but he is not always nice. The nuance there trips ppl up
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@tianaatoomees
Something to be said about how little he is allowed to be angry or acknowledge that something wrong has been done to him
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@acixsm
They dead do not care about Black characters at all unless they can sexualize them or have them be the comic relief 😭
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And ANOTHA THING! ATSV really underutilized Margo as a character. Not only is her design super interesting, but she actually has a lot in common with Miles that could've opened up some interesting dialogue between them!
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Noir au for valentine's day 💕
#flowerbyte
I wanna do smth spiderverse related for valentine's (probably flowerbyte) but I have art studio homework sdgjjfjk
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Also just remembered that one tweet that said Chicken Little was white people's Encanto 💀 it's no wonder y'all are mad at the parents being forgiven if that comparison was anywhere near accurate lmaooo
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The mind of the average white fandom participant cannot fathom that a masculine presenting brown man can in fact be nice to you
its kinda funny how pavitr got turned into the soft boy stereotype in the spiderverse fandom when hes like the most hyper masculine character in the movie
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(This doesn't even cover the way yt men have started to dismiss these films as "girly and emotional" in the way they talk about them)
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Not to get into Hobie age discourse but I do find it a bit strange how his age has been left up to interpretation with strong implications that he's also a kid but so many people insist that you must headcanon him as an adult. Why? /gen
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Chipping away
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Throwing my hat into the ring
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If you didn’t catch this very obvious subtext (barely that. It's borderline TEXT) that is drilled into the audience from the very beginning of the film maybe some of y'all just shouldn’t be discussing this movie sjfhdlsk (not directed at OP obvs)
It's a racism allegory. When Rio was giving Miles that speech she sure as hell was not talking about being Spider-Man. It's not a coincidence that people in the movie tell Miles he doesn't belong there while comic "fans" insist that Miles isn't Spider-Man.
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Here's all of em!
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You ever look at a pic of Miles for reference and realize just how much hair he actually has like I always underestimate the sheer volume of this kid's afro
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Does anyone wanna hear about how I think Miles' story could've become one about generational trauma and community instead of just him being in a perpetual state of "ohhh but will I ever be as good as PETERR"
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Hmmm people keep pointing out how there's no real spaces for kids anymore (true) but then my question is are you willing to contribute to creating a society that actually does care about kids?
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