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A Little Vice, my trans magical girl story, is out now!!!
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Twitter: "IT SUCKS HOW TRANSFEMS ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO FORCE SAPPHIC (BUT ALSO EXTREMELY BINARY) TRANS MEN OUT OF LESBIAN SPACES"
Sapphic transmascs: "Wow, it's kinda uncomfy that lesbian spaces are always so welcoming to us while being really shitty to trans women."
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Really wish people who aren’t transfem would stop making art that fetishizes our most common dysphoria triggers.
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Sarkeesian discourse is wild in that she is famous for being harassed solely for saying she intended to talk about sexism in video games and there's a very 'serious' group of ostensibly leftish people are unable to accept that maybe her harassers just did not have a point.
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Daily reminder that IQ is a deeply racist and classist measure and, even beyond that, the studies in question are profoundly dubious in their own ways (show me a sampling frame of transfems that’s not biased along race or class.)
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What's fascinating is that the quote there very obviously has nothing to do with the largely incorrect statement she's making. In fact, the article she cites completely contradicts her point
Anyway, I think there's actually something worth explaining here, so let's unpack.
@r0zemary_
@everybdysgay
@laylalikesmusic
futanari is an ancient Japanese term for a mythical being like Ranma, who can fully change between male and female forms. In modern times it refers to a porn category for mythical hermaphrodite bodies. It's an entirely separate category from trans women and effeminate male porn.
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Actual trans people can look however, but maybe don’t emphasize the experience of disability that stops you from taking care of you appearance and poverty that prevents HRT if you are talking about how hot those things are and also haven’t had that specific transfem fatigue.
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Everyone knows Julia Serano, but a lot of people aren't very aware of contemporary transfeminist scholarship. Let's look at some recent (and upcoming) works. 🧵
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@CaseyExplosion
I love, love, love that he looked at this clip of him bombing, doing a bit that just doesn't work and thought "Wow this is the clip to spread my work and show off my skills"
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@halomancer1
@Marxism_Wokeism
Transphobes will be like "This study has biased sampling and is vulnerable to attrition threats and the survey instrument lacks significant external testing, so we should just read this Daily Mail article instead" without a shred of irony.
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TFW the lesbian keynote who tried to cancel Beth Elliott for being trans was a straight woman married to the exact type of femboy who’d absolutely be ranting about Bridget on Twitter today.
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“Oh no, a trans woman criticized something! Stop the presses! Man the battlements! Such horrors cannot be allowed” - much of Twitter apparently.
And yes, depicting a transfem as vastly more masc than she is is kinda bleh actually.
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I don't mean the people who think she deserved the harassment; fash are gonna fash.
Rather, I've run into a lot of a left "ally" type who says "yes, the harassment was terrible, BUT also her videos made (lists a bunch of errors that her videos don't do)."
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An estimated 7 to 10% of women CAFAB have PCOS.
If it made you transfem, TMA, etc., then trans women would immediately become a tiny fraction of the words we invented to describe our particular challenges, an easily ignored minority in our own identity.
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And seeing the Anita Sarkeesian discourse resurfacing again in the year of our lord 2024 just drives home how these guys are both pretty common and also one of the biggest impediments within any social justice movement.
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But, there's a certain type of guy who can accept that she didn't deserve the backlash she got but also who *needs* the misogyny to have been built on some kind of legitimate foible that means really both sides had a point and that there was *something* there to be mad about.
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Quoted from Zachary Nataf's Lesbians Talk Transgender (1996).
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Got accused of grooming for asking someone who described themselves as miserable and really wanting to be a girl why they didn't consider HRT.
Anyway, the dude's entire TL is coincidentally wall to wall thirsting over ten year old anime girls and/or crossdressing boys.
🤔
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The coolest thing about HRT is how it puts time on your side. Like, it doesn’t matter if you can’t solve your brainworms; the good things still happen to your body
That terrible ticking clock that’s just made things worse and worse for your whole life is now your greatest ally
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I have nothing against men building an identity around a deep attachment to femme aesthetics. Based even!
I do object to people who aren’t trans identifying via derogatory labels for trans women and build their appeal on a pickme style appeal to socially conservative culture
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TBC, Bee was reacting to the 19yo in question wishing for her death and spreading a number of racist lies about her, her writing and a number of twoc who liked or co-wrote the book to over 100 people
DARVO here reads: "playing the victim after starting shit" not "literal abuser"
imagine being a grown woman calling a 19yo an abuser because she tweeted that she didn’t like ur stupid book on a private account
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So, the piece she cites is Gender Mayhem, a chapter from "Erotic Comics in Japan." Notably, while this lists a lot of genres, it makes the argument that they all have a shared root
Which is, uh, trans women. Specifically the sexual exploitation of youthful transfem characters
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Among the most prominent TERFs:
* KJK memorably begged men to patrol women's restrooms with loaded firearms
* JK Rowling incessantly writes books about manly dude guys and male chosen ones where women are pushed to the corners and treated misogynistically.
* Glinner exists.
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To be blunt, this kind of tool basically has essentially no value outside of a very niche context of crypto-terfs on Tumblr and being weaponized to try and ostracize queer people by pretending objective standards it can't meet
It's basically designed to automate trashing.
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@LilySimpson1312
Tbh, cannot think of 30 Rock without remembering Daniel Lavery going all in on “Liz Lemon is a transmasc egg” analysis and that helps blunt the show’s blatant transphobia for me.
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TBH, I do think there's ways in which patriarchy does hurt men, disproportionately those who can't fit the role of patriarch.
But embracing that frame without *a ton* of care means that patriarchy becomes "thing that gave a dude a booboo" while ignoring a pile of women's bodies.
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I don't support doxxing jokes.
But, like a bunch of TMRA "anarchist" wannabe cops are trying to get a DIY provider ostracized for a shitty comment (since apologized for) while most haven't said anything about their own making multiple rape, death and doxxing threats this week.
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This is very funny ofc, but it suggests an investment in transfem interiority that feels a bit too utopian.
I havnt been the same since I heard someone describe gender studies as "a field where trans men explain to cis women what it's like to be a trans woman"
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Anyway, I think it's pretty clear that the creator of Soupcan doesn't really understand what she's made and isn't willing to think about how, designed for a purpose or not.
I'll link my thread on why I think this add-on is mostly just harmful here.
The Benjanun report. Those who know already, know already. It's not news. But it's necessary to bring to light, because harassment and abuse within the trans community needs to be addressed, and can only be done so with all the pertinent information.
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@badambulist
Tbh, the average cis person exists in a state of superposition where they HRT does nothing but also they simultaneously cause bottom surgery if you take enough.
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Which is to say, that yes, the root of futa, *per her own source* is not the 12th century artwork about people creeping on an intersex guy, but American trans pornography and comics about the exploitation of vulnerable trans women.
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Which brings me to the central point here. Modern distinctions of gender variance are not invalid, but they do not perfectly capture the way historical cultures categorized LGBT identities. In the 20s, in America, basically every LGBT identity was conceptualized as intersex
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Demanding people isolate two trans lesbians, at least one of whom is indigenous, would be horrific even if this was 110% true.
Block, yell, Call out anyone. It's often deserved. No one should demand people dispose of a trans woman of color.
Soupcan/shinigami are a HAL enablers
Make sure to mark these two as red and block them. These two self hating trans girls have been hating on trans men, enbies, lesbians, and anyone who uses neopronouns. 😬😬😬 Sad to see a few people I follow mistakenly follow them and somehow they've managed to get marked green.
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The comic is more or less nothing, but this is the parent org of the psy-op that gave us such hits as:
"No one fucks activists,"
"Feminism is basically fascism,"
and "Social contagion is only a valid moral panic about those transes, not us bisexuals!!!"
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Rather notably, the word futanari does date back to the 12th century.
Here it referred pretty specifically to an intersex person who largely presented masculine but allegedly had two sets of genitals.
This is, fairly obviously, not the porn trope
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@ButNotTheCity
It is amazing how easily they can sell the idea that politics just do not exist in Pristine Rational Scandinavia/Europe and obviously medical policy there is automatically purer and more sciencey.
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@halomancer1
@Marxism_Wokeism
Or rather "the meta-analysis you linked notes these as minor limitations common among the 27 studies that compromise all extant empirical investigations on this topic..."
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Back to the source the OP quoted, we can see that "futanari" is not a specific term, but a broad one that covers a lot of different categories of gender variance. As with a lot of terms that predate modern LGBT lexicons, a 1 to 1 mapping is silly
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What this discourse does is use semantic games to try and create narrow distinctions that don't actually follow the evolution of the art to try and use cultural relativism to obscure that this material is fundamentally about trans woman and our fetishization.
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That's why it's so heinous.
Yes, broad social processes affect everyone. There are no neat lines in the minds of bigots that separate their hatred into discrete chunks.
The word TMA exists to artificially mark off and discuss the specific hate targeted at us as it effects us.
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As a post-script, there's a lot of clear overlap with this and the far right "THEY'RE MAKING THE TRANSLATIONS WOKE BY INSERTING WESTERN VALUES" crowd. There's also a homonationalist angle here in how both conceive of LGBT rights or humanization as a uniquely western phenomenon.
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Moreover, in addition to domestic works of gender bending that consisted primarily of transfeminized characters, another major source of inspiration for this trope was American pornography, specifically "Shemale" pornography that consisted of trans women.
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There are, of course, intersex trans women. There are a great many of intersex trans women of all varieties. Intersex transfems have made stunning contributions to the trans community.
Some of them might even have PCOS. But having PCOS does not and cannot make you transfem.
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tl;dr: Her own source says it's trans women. The kind of narrow cultural distinctions she wants to make aren't ever so clear or binary and don't actually exclude transfeminine subjects. And these arguments are fundamentally about talking over us about our own fetishization
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In turn, "Cultural relativism" is an easy shield for "whatever I want to do in the first place," particularly when the media involved has far more to do with American porn about trans women than the 12th century art from which the term originates.
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Note, that this crowd, and I've singled out one poster making exceedingly dumb arguments here but there's a lot more, are also in the habit of speaking over trans women, denying the association and doing this all appealing to local "cultural values."
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@profjmb
I’m sorry you got caught flagrantly violating human subjects research requirements that first year grad students are taught for the sake of a convenience sample of people who aren’t actually the population you’re interested in trying to speak about.
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Just going to throw out there, that if you see a trans girl who is intensely dysphoric talking about “male loneliness,” or “radfems” and her tl is full of self-harm talk, she’s doing self-harm, not theory, and it’s better for all parties not to argue theory with her.
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Remembering the time a trans dude entered a discussion of trans women talking theory to explain how the community they were part of was sooo inhospitable to queer women because it didn’t have enough m/m content and no woman could possibly be comfortable there.
It's funny to see how quickly the arguments for why m/m is more popular than f/f have shifted from pseudo-rational excuses to "well anyone who cares about women is a terf, actually"
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@ShadowTodd
Of all the things to make me think *worse* of this man after the HBomb video, "spreading gay Nazi conspiracy theories" was not what I'd have expected.
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I think the funniest thing about the Hermaphroditus discourse is that it is a bunch of self-described proshippers being deeply angry that someone has a headcanon
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If I got called out for making light of horrific sexual violence, I would probably, I dunno, apologize, instead of suggesting everyone who critiques me is a Zionist.
This is what you're making light of.
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CW if you look up the original source, it's full of extremely skeevy drawings and now I need some brain bleach.
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Biomedically altering your body into a form more to your pleasing is soooo regressive, conservative AND binary ffs
It’d be so much cooler if these amab transes did radical nonconformity: dying their hair, growing a beard, or using nail polish, but, like, without quitting guydom
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Important points about reading theory, especially as a transfem.
For further reading here, Emma Heaney's "The New Woman" does a great job unpacking how and why social theorists have so often use the transfeminine as a stand in for their own aspirations.
the thing about all feminist writing prior to like the mid-late 2000s is very often its flimsy about trans womanhood because the trans woman was treated as an exotic curiosity or a sexualized being as an interiorless object of study
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@moorehn
@boneysoups
This is about tightlacing, a niche social practice that few to no fashion historians defend, not wearing corsets in general.
It was, however, brought up a lot to delegitimize women as vain and foolish in the era of an incipient women’s rights movement.
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@BadWritingTakes
Deeply funny especially in light of the multiple clips from Somerton about how Nick is a real academic and that's how you'd know he would never allow plagiarism because he is very serious and knowledgeable and has high standards in HBomb's video.
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There's an idea being put out right now that radical feminism is 1. exclusively white and 2. hates transmascs and enbies. It's pretty obvious bullshit if you actually know anything about radical or trans feminism.
So, let's celebrate poc and transmasc radfems. (1/??)
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Jules Gil-Peterson's Histories of the Transgender Child is a 2018 book that looks at the 20th Century history of gender transition in the US and the complicated and varying role of medicine and medical institutions.
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TBC, the conference itself was very split and many/most of the organizers and attendees were on Elliott's side. The real damage was that Morgan's keynote was spread far and wide and the account that portrayed Elliott as a "gatecrasher" invited broad discussion/condemnation...
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@JakeVigdor
@florianederer
@paulgp
To be blunt, if an employer demanded my private anonymous communications, as a trans person, I would not apply for that job. I suspect it would basically exclude any particularly online person with a marginalized identity given the obvious ways it could be used down the line.
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She says she doesn't want the app to become a megaphone for one person's opinions while publishing a 20 page essay which spread far right conspiracy theories to justify her personal decision to mark one person
She is, self-demonstratingly, appointing herself "transphobia judge."
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Her next book, A Short History of Transmisogyny, is set to look at the colonial roots of transmisogyny in service to building a more robust theory of trans identity. I'm incredibly hyped for this one.
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Men, I’m sorry if patriarchy and the attendant realization that you might benefit from sexism, rather than being its victim, cuts at your ability to conceive of yourself as a good person.
Fortunately, the little blue pills are right there.
If it’s too much to take; quit.
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of trans woman in lesbian activism, mostly from those who weren't there.
But the meme is funnier, so...
(Source on the first quote is Finn Enke's Collective Memory and the Transfeminist 1970s: Toward a Less Plausible History)
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* Helen Joyce is (AFAIK) a straight woman with no interest in feminism outside of her anti-trans politics.
* Kathleen Stock has zero feminist credentials, no meaningful understanding of feminism
*Abigail Shrier writes about "feminist extremists" without any irony
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The app was used to mark someone who helps support a lot of trans women. People complained. Some of those complaints probably sucked or got very personal.
Its creator doubled down by writing a 20 page callout post spreading unsubstantiated far right conspiracy theories...
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"THEY'RE TRYING TO SEXUALIZE GNC MINORS" says person whose entire online presence is dedicated to sexualizing GNC minors.
Really not beating the allegations that "think of the poor femboys" movement is basically just exclusively pederasts being creepy to repressors.
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The ever excellent May Peterson just had a great thread on the boundaries of the term if you're legitimately uncertain.
I dislike the way the definition of “TMA” seems to be continually expanded in a way that dilutes and therefore makes useless the entire concept
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A Little Vice, my trans magical girl novel, is out tomorrow! Available through a lot of sellers here:
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The thing about the “let trans men be lesbians” discourse is that it’s never the (supposed very binary trans men lesbians) bringing it up. They’re invoked, but absent.
Like, what it always is is an attempt to deny lesbians epistemic authority over their own sexuality.
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"What it's like to be a trans women" suggests that the field thinks we're capable of interiority after all....
(Okay, it is getting better, and there have always been counter-trends and... etc.)
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So, like, your nastier friend talks about how he wants transfem in question murdered until the transfem snaps at someone and then you jump on that and blast it to an audience while obscuring the death threats she's been getting for days.
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@BlytheGetsCross
@SisScarletRed
@Chican3ry
@joemolod
Why did you link an article for the expert quotes when the expert quotes disagreed with you completely?
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Emma Heaney is doing great history in this space. Her work on the role trans women played in radical feminism in the 70s is particularly rad!
If you're curious, try peaking at 2016's "Women-Identified Women: Trans Women in 1970s Lesbian Organizing"
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No survey of a topic would be complete without its skeptics. Cameron Awkward-Rich's 2017 Trans Feminism: Or Reading Like a Depressed Trannsexual uses the author's own experience challenge the idea that trans and feminism neatly fit together
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doxxing material, racist attacks against a woman of color, widely discredited character assassination where a cishet white lady accused a Thai lesbian of "pretending to care about social justice to win points" impugned her motivations and lied about her repeatedly...
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Like, butches can be transmasc. Fairies, fags, etc all existed historically in ways that could be articulated in cis or extremely transfem ways.
Femboys, at least the prototypical sort, engage in self-definition principally by distancing themselves from trans women.
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So apparently the game isn’t satire.
@lisaquestions
@doomkitn
Immediately called a mod who banned me for being “political”, didn’t ban any of the queer phobic people, and deleted all of the messages so that no one could take screenshots or talk about what happened. My gf messaged one of the mods with they/them pronouns about it who
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Also comparing someone being creeped out by an acquaintance wishing for their death to a fairly large audience is nothing at all like being an overbearing mother and that comparison is actually extremely weird!
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Privilege is a tool to examine things one takes for granted that many are structurally denied, not a grand theory of all oppression.
If something is both sought after and despised, when having it and not having it both create vulnerability to violence, it’s not a useful frame.
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Like, the tweet was bad, but ostracism or painting people as fundamentally "evil" doesn't fucking help.
And isolating tweets and showing them devoid of context (or just paraphrasing in hyperbolic ways) is a great way to ignore that people lashing out are often victims first
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The fact that half of these wannabe cops are self-proclaimed "anarchists" is just the icing on the cake tbh.
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The fact that the cis members of my cohort both landed tenure track positions shortly before graduating and it took me two years to find a post-doc.
They both rock and deserve it! I do wonder if I've been punished for transitioning sometimes...
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@dollshards
This mom is inventing novel ways to handily win the extremely competitive “find the creepiest way to make your entire identity posting photos of your children online” contest.
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@loveologian
@cooki3faun
She's literally responding to someone saying literally that. You can't be "SHE'S MISINTERPRETING SOMETHING" when she's literally directly replying to someone saying that thing.
People can read!
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@SisScarletRed
@Chican3ry
@BlytheGetsCross
@joemolod
The Daily Mail article doesn’t even agree with her. She just straight up didn’t read it before linking…
“However, Tamar Reisman, an endocrinologist, told that the regimen that the Reddit user took is 'pretty common' and completely safe”
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She's very obviously mocking the melodrama of the "I am quitting twitter" posts. Reframing a random trans woman as calling for your death is actually incredibly transmisogynistic.
Like, getting called out sucks but maybe take a step back and look at how you've responded here?
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“She’s a terrible person accused of grooming, that’s why it’s justified that 80% of my online persona is hating her cartoon analysis.”
This is kiwifarms behavior; either engage substantively with the alleged behavior or stop milking an acceptable target for endless content.
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@talia_bhatt
Three transmasc competitors. Quinn is on the gold medalist soccer team and has spoken to defend trans women competing. Hiltz is a strong contender in the 1500 apparently and has been pro-Imane without being weird about it.
And then we have Mr. "It's okay my coach misgenders me"
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That said, the idea that the majority of the movement is "man hating lesbian feminists" is theater of the absurd. What has happened is that the Bindels of the world have been forced to choose between their moral commitments and their bigotry and have routinely abandoned ideology.
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@aliiussy
I honestly have no desire or energy to air comments making it around that haven’t made it public yet. But, for ones that have, is saying a trans woman of color “loves rape” the same thing as “not liking a book”
Like, also she had 200 followers. It’s not a confessional lmao.
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@katiedimartin
"I wanted to make sure she saw how miserable I was when I crashed her graduation without warning to try and force a reconciliation in public, really, that's the best give I could give"
Is it too much to ask that one's children going NC would prompt any introspection? At all?
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There are, of course, a few more legitimate feminist activists in the anti-trans movement.
Julie Bindel can make a legitimate claim to radfem credentials, noted pederast and admitted rapist Germaine Greer wrote influential feminist texts. Historically we have Daly, Raymond, etc
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LIke, what she's done here is pretty vile and full of a lot of shittily sourced and worse argued personal attacks. That's bad!
But, like, the thing that makes this *scary* is that she has a tool that's widely used to block people, frame interactions with strangers and isolate
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