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Born Again Christian, Husband, Father, Grandfather, BAE Biology, MA Chemistry
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Joined April 2013
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RT @TheHistoryGuy07: Carbon-14 has been detected in dinosaur bones. This is a problem for evolutionists because radiocarbon decays relative…
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Not Christianity. Creation is proof of God’s existence and the death and resurrection of Jesus proof of His love. “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,” (Rom 1:20) “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” (Rom 5:8)
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They certainly all have application for today but I would argue that prophetically Smyrna matches with the very specific period of time known for the 10 periods of Roman persecutions (2:10) early in the church age and then with Philadelphia and Laodicea at the end. So 3:10 prophetical applies to the time when the Rapture takes place, the Laodicean church prophetically the unbelieving apostate church that is warned they need to repent and let Jesus in (3:19-20).
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RT @IanJaeger29: JUST NOW: Jake Sullivan’s Security Clearance has been revoked. This was ordered by President Trump.
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Yeah, I disagree with him on that one. The restrainer isn’t identified which is why you’ve had different theories from the start. I think the Rapture of the Church makes the most sense in that passage, as it matches Rev 4 and is consistent with the ministry of the HS (Jn 14-16) indwelling believers and making the church salt and light, as the gates of Hell not prevailing against it. Once removed, the salt and light are gone.
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@StFranc30077093 @hookskat @AiG Ah, but that’s not true. Would you be happy with a robot saying I love you? Without choice there is no love.
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The nations will also be gathered and judged as Jesus talks about in Mt 25:31ff, it’s just that Mt 24:29-31 doesn’t teach that. He’s specifically referring to passages like Isa 27 there. Is there any indication in that passage it’s referring to anyone other than the Jewish people? “And it shall come to pass in that day That the LORD will thresh, From the channel of the River to the Brook of Egypt; And you will be gathered one by one, O you children of Israel. So it shall be in that day: The great trumpet will be blown; They will come, who are about to perish in the land of Assyria, And they who are outcasts in the land of Egypt, And shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.” (Isa 27:12-13) In Mt 25 Jesus specifically says all the nations/gentiles will be gathered together when Jesus returns. “All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.” (Mat 25:32)
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To say the Rapture is in Mt 24:29-31 is to say the OT passages like Isa 27:13 are about the Rapture. But Paul said the Rapture was a mystery, which he defines as not being revealed to OT prophets, so it can’t be the Rapture Jesus is referring to there. Simple regathering of the Jews like they regathered after the captivity. “Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—” (1Co 15:51) “by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:” (Eph 3:4-5)
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The revealing of the AC happens when the Restrainer has been removed. ἐκ μέσου γένηται means to be removed from, taken out of the way. It doesn’t mean to be revealed in the midst or middle. In the midst is not temporal so doesn’t refer to the middle of the week. The timing is undefined, can happen any time. Ginomai when qualified by the ek prepositional phrase makes the definition “remove” not “come to be” or “reveal” or “debut.” It’s the opposite of that. Alford is one authoritative Greek scholar whose definition relies on uses outside the Bible, and even has an example of the opposite phrase to support. He defines it this way - “ἐκ μέσου γένηται” as referring to a person or thing that is “taken out of the way,” whether by death or other means of removal. How many authoritative Greek scholar citations would it take to convince you you’re wrong in translating it the way you do? I can cite several saying the same if it would help. Here are the translations of the non-biblical sources cited in Alford’s Greek Testament: An Exegetical and Critical Commentary (Vol. 3, p. 291) regarding the phrase ἐκ μέσου γένηται (ek mesou genētai): 1. Plutarch, Timoleon (p. 238.3 - Wetstein’s citation) Greek: ἔγνω ζῆν καθ’ ἑαυτὸν ἐκ μέσου γενόμενος Literal Translation: “He resolved to live for himself, having withdrawn from the midst.” Context & Meaning: •This phrase describes a person stepping out from a central position and choosing seclusion. •ἐκ μέσου γενόμενος implies removal from involvement rather than outright destruction. 2. Terence, Phormio (v. 9.40) Latin: “Ea mortem obiit, e medio abiit.” Literal Translation: “She met her death, she departed from the midst.” Context & Meaning: •“E medio abiit” is the Latin equivalent of ἐκ μέσου γένηται, implying that the person has passed away or been removed from the scene. •The phrase supports the “removal” interpretation. 3. Herodotus (Book 8, Section 22) Greek (paraphrased passage): (The context describes the movement or removal of something from the central place.) Translation: “He was taken from the midst.” Context & Meaning: •Herodotus often uses ἐκ μέσου to signify something being taken away from an active role or situation. •It often refers to physical or positional removal. 4. Xenophon, Cyropaedia (v.2.26) - Opposite Usage Greek: ἐν μέσῳ εἶναι Literal Translation: “To be in the midst.” Context & Meaning: •This phrase means to be present and actively involved in something. •This serves as the opposite of ἐκ μέσου γένηται, confirming that the latter phrase indicates removal from involvement. Conclusion on ἐκ μέσου γένηται Based on these classical sources, the phrase ἐκ μέσου γένηται: ✅ Means “to be taken out of the midst” or “removed from the scene.” ✅ Can refer to death, departure, or ceasing an active role. ✅ **Is opposed to “
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@hookskat @StFranc30077093 @AiG Would you say you’ve disowned Jesus? “"Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.” (Mat 10:32-33)
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