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I’m not sure what people expect me to do when I advocate for recovering folks.
Pushing those who have offended away, into isolation, and back to abusers ENABLES abuse
Doing these things does NOT fight abuse, they only fulfill virtue signaling of how good we are and bad they are
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@Nitr0gen_Shark
I think its more "as long as it isn't UNETHICAL" not immoral, since morals are very subjective and can be based on religion and such.
And of course also this is all irrelevant if its fictional y'know, like vore is technically "illegal and dangerous" irl but its only fiction yk
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Be there for all paraphiles, the accepted, or the taboo. Be there for Anti-Contacts whether they're MAPS, Zoos, and on. Be there for people.
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@sullenscr
@e621tagbot
Blacklist it.
We aren’t going to ban fictional murder and other fictional crimes.
Otherwise a large percentage of media would be in trouble.
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Got around to watching an episode of Spongebob for the first time in awhile.
All I gotta say? Zooey.
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Isolating and demonizing past/recovering offenders is not how we fight abuse
If anything, that will push them further into bad crowds and back into their abusive ways
Practice loving sinners, while hating their sins
Jesus ate at the same table among sinners
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WHO I FOLLOW; is not a representation of who I like or dislike and or endorsement of actions or values that the individual might have
I follow Antis, Pro-Contacts, Anti-Contacts, shitposters, etc
This is so I can get their posts in my feed to keep up with or debate against them
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I really do love the para community
At the end of the day this is all a hobby but the people you meet and friends you make is more gratifying than anything i've done before. <3
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How often do y’all get hate dms? Or threats.
Cause I hear about it being common but I have quite literally only gotten one or two hate dms on my entire twitter career.
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I’m shocked that some of y’all don’t know i’m Christian (I only mention Jesus like EVERY other day)
Not devout but quite literally I go to church every other Sunday and bring a pocket bible (new testament) everywhere I go.
Despite that i’m Pro-Para, Anti-Abuse, Anti-Puritanism!
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@Anti_VT
"Anti-Contacts dont give a fuck about animal rights"
The people who quite literally abstain from bestiality out of worry for animal consent and ethical reasons don't care about animals.. hm, no
Anti-C are worried about animal rights
Pro-C are often worried about ZOO rights
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This might be out of no where, but me and a friend are wanting to start a bible study group!
SO if there are any other Christian Paraphiles
or frankly ANYONE who even just want to read for fun dm me or let me know you exist!
(yes I recognize how strange this is lol)
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@hereforthezoo
Its honestly difficult to unlearn YEARS of anthrocentrism
Its always painful when you shamefully slip up and call an animal "it", before cringing at the mistake
I try to always correct myself, my friends, and others though.
Dismantling the status quo one word at a time!
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Hey, if anyone ever has a problem with me TALK to me.
My DMs are quite literally always open and i’m willing and wanting to talk.
Only through clear, open, and honest communication can we work together to make the best space we can.
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Anti-Contact is NOT an organization.
Anti-Contact is an idea, a set of principles
All Anti-Contact means is that you don’t believe in practicing or endorsing harmful when acted paraphilias
Not every Anti-Contact knows one another, not every Anti-Contact agrees with one another
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🧵"I do not support the endorsement or acting on child/adult relationships and bestiality and other regularly harmful or unethical relationships and or sex in modern circumstances"
^This is all Anti-Practice and Anti-Contact should be definitionally, any else doesnt fights abuse
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You ever feel bad?
Just go through your messages and reconnect with an old friend. With your parents. Anyone.
Its worth it.
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Twitter has to be the WORST place the follow the news, quite literally everything on here is biased to the extreme. It just makes me feel.. bad
I'm just honestly going to block every last news account on here until I get none and instead go to- man idk, google news or something.
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Glad Rones is continually being irresponsible and negligent with information to fit an Anti-Paraphile agenda.
Like, I'm glad he's anti-abuse but clearly a lot of his motivation comes from vitriol and vendetta.
Bringing this thread back for this one. Claims to not be a pro contact but one look at their account proves otherwise.
Scratch an anti-contact, a pro contact bleeds
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Lucky enough to not have been sussed yet.
I'll pour one out for those of y'all who haven't been so lucky
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Twitter is made up of professional bullies, seeing just how fast some people rallied against ghosttowninthesky.
Honestly, feels like you have to near martyr yourself just to have a dissenting opinion.
Its honestly just cruel to even watch.
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This is why quite a few of my friends are Pro-Contact, i've debated this with myself if it was okay.
But what good am I doing by avoiding these people, absolutely nothing. I deeply care about these people and the people and animals around them
I want to be their good influence.
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Happy Para Pride! I’m new here but happy to be part of your community
And as always, remember, this pride is for Anti-Contacts when it comes to paraphilias that are harmful when acted upon.
Identity/experiences/community should be celebrated! Abusive actions should not.
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@Anti_VT
I've no idea why zoos feel like other zoos having some ethical reservations for bestiality is so crazy, like, confirming animal safety is more important than a dick call
I dont want to offend, but a feel like a lot of zoos are extremely biased for themselves and sex, not animals
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Whether that is to push them out of practicing, educating them and being educated back, or urging them to act more ethically
Its a difficult frankly controversial balance. To be respectful, caring, loyal yet at the same time be against their actions and fight abuse in my own way
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I am not a fan of how some Pro-Practice zoo’s defense boils down to.
"If they can’t perceive injustice then there is no injustice"
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Also this account might also be Ffoof considering they have one of my messages
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I asked Rones the other day.
"If not recovering and reforming a previously offending individual, and building a foundation around them to prevent them from ever committing abusive action again, then WHAT do we do"
Rones could not give an answer, he doesnt care about the answer
I discovered a ring of self proclaimed "anti contact" pedos/zoos that support an OFFENDING PEDO solely because he claims to be one of them.
The loudest being
@/IdealZoo
@/qparadene
@/nesnebiledegil
The people among others forgive CSA as long as the predator is nice to them.
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Calling every Pro-Contact an abuser doesn’t help either, fighting against these acts on a large-scale and case by scale is INCREDIBLY different.
On a large scale we can understand the general impact and trends are harmful or unethical and can rally against it in general as bad-
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What this means is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to generalize every single Anti-Contact because how Anti-Contact values impact someone varies from person to person
And in a way that’s beautiful
That also means trying to "expose Anti-Contact" means nothing, no one person speak for all
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This is wrong.
People can be attracted to certain types of Pokemon while not be attracted to real life animals
Attraction to Pokemon CAN indicate zoophilic attractions but not determine them.
Zoophilia’s the attraction to real life animals, if you arent, then you’re not a zoo.
Guys pokemon is still zoo it doesn’t matter if they aren’t real
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From a Pro-Practice Zoo, "What makes sex different than petting?"
Well let me break it down;
* First, petting has no inherent physical harm risks
* An animal has perceived personal space, petting AND sex can invade this.
* Sex can make the animal mentally hypersexual
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@NoTailFox_
I just changed my language to "harmful when acted upon" paraphilias.
You can’t shorten it without confusing and butching the meaning
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@Malcontentamute
I don’t think the furry community creator was a zoo.
Maybe zoos influenced furries or anthropomorphism that made it into spaces. But i’d be hard to say they "invented" furry spaces.
Maybe i’m wrong here though.
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Going to say it once again because i’m changing my pin.
Who I follow is not a representation of who I like or dislike and or endorsement of actions or values that the individual might have.
I just do it to keep up to date with them or at times debate.
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As an Anti-Practice Zoo I have so so so many gripes with the mainstream zoo community
If I were a Pro-Practice zoo and believed animal/human sex were permissible I would STILL have a lot of gripes even for their standards
I feel like theres a lot of problems that could be fixed
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@stupidsexyowl
@foof01666074
@bugsandbirds120
Yeahhh, supporting non-offending anti-contact MAPs reallyyy shouldn’t be that controversial.
Being a MAP is not a choice, if they recognize that minor/adult sex is dangerous and risky and make efforts to get therapy, then who cares. Most MAPs are non-offending anyway.
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My DMs are confidential always
The only exception is when there could be loss of a life otherwise
Other than that its private
The idea is that when dealing with controversial things
its better that others have someone to talk to with that knowledge, than no one know it at all
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People don't want to vote for Harris because "she's a Pro-Israel, Pro-Cop, Pro-Genocide" president.
I think people misunderstand what they're voting for.
They are NOT voting for the president they want, they are voting for an easier enemy.
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This survey is meant to evaluate how exactly people use terms related to contact discourse.
Created by some people in our community, please take it!
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@RonesRexouium
I sympathize with how you feel, ik how emotional and touchy these subject can be. How could someone be mad
But to be clear, this rhetoric is ACTIVELY DANGEROUS.
It’s irresponsible and cruel to spread this just to satisfy your personal hatred.
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Ahaha, we have mineral examples for my geology lab and I see my favorite mineral~
I have no idea why Pyrite makes me so happy but I get so giddy when I identify it.
Not therian, but I had a tail it’d be wagginggg
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fuck it, here’s my most valued possession.
Pyrite is my favorite mineral and it was given to me by my dearest geology professor as a gift <3
Geology rules so so hard
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@forestfoxthing
Definitely the algorithm, never let your posts you see dictate your worldview
Because I get next to zero puritanical stuff (because I don’t respond to it)
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@Loverphilia
Contact stances are really only an Anti-Contact thing.
If you’re what Anti-C considers Pro-Contact you wouldn’t really even use contact stances.
Anti-Contact is a group, and Pro-Contact is not, it’s a description for other Anti-Contacts unify for and against an action/belief.
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Until that person is caught or doxxed there is nothing you can do as an internet individual other than offering genuine advice pushing them to be less harmful and reducing risks and trying to inform them while making sure there is no egregious abuse.
That should be standard
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Monthly reminder to download and backup your twitter account data! (This is incase you’re ever banned)
If you go to settings -> Your Account -> Download an archive of your data
Sometimes it might only work on desktop.
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This, this more than anything.
Understanding compassion while being emboldened by firm ideals.
Not puritanism, not appealing to the mainstream, but instead appealing to ourselves.
Against practicing and FOR recovery. We have to do what it takes to make REAL change, together.
@forestfoxthing
on top of that.. the insane purity mindset that would completely destroy the para community.
it's not about how things "look". it's not about "looking good" it's about community and staying together and working together to become stronger and to prevent people from getting hurt.
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However, we do not know each practicing person’s life or what they’ve done, are they irresponsible to a extreme degree in cases? Yes
But the best way to deal with this in a case by case is to discourage the relationship while calmly talking to them earnestly and monitoring helps
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@kazoosforzoos
As far as I know, there are a few points of why incest is considered wrong
1. Because it's weird, it give the "ick"
2. Because especially with parent and child relationships it can be problematic
3. Because instinctual conception can cause complications
Here's why that's dumb..
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@ZooRightsMvmnt
Hypothetically lets say all bestiality NEVER causes overt physical or mental harm, which's far from the reality
Here are still unethical possibilities such as
Coercion
Sacrifices of their best interest for your self interest
Violations of autonomy and choice
Grooming via raising
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Paratwt has an entire library of Alexandria worth of information and lore to it.
One of these days I really outta sit down and learn up on all these people that name dropped and what's gone on since all of these years.
Wouldn't know where to even start though.
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@forestfoxthing
@loverboy_blu
At least the ones I know aren’t, paras just definitionally are not inherently mental disorders
A lot of Pro-C folks i know are more on the department that paras are evil.
Like in Pro-C zoo communities there’s somewhat of a problem of hating all maps even if they’re anti-c
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@hereforthezoo
just btw,
200,000 players of 22 million copies projected sold is 0.9% of players.
Which if assuming all were doing it because of zoophilia and not to be funny would be an under projection of expected zoo numbers
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@kazoosforzoos
1. The "ick" is not a valid point, two consenting adults can do as they want
2. Sometimes yes, these can sometimes be problematic though I do not know if stats back up abuse or grooming.
3. Literally these couples can either adopt or talk to a genealogist to see their risk
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@kazoosforzoos
@ZooRightsMvmnt
I think our bias toward human exceptionalism blinds and biases us from noticing animals self assuredness in themselves and understanding
People see a cow cuddle a human and be incredibly confused because we subconsciously strip them of their individuality and ability to feel
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Here are my thoughts, in 🧵form, on recovery
This is what I advocate for
I’m not sure what people expect me to do when I advocate for recovering folks.
Pushing those who have offended away, into isolation, and back to abusers ENABLES abuse
Doing these things does NOT fight abuse, they only fulfill virtue signaling of how good we are and bad they are
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@RonesRexouium
Compassion changes minds, listening to others opens people to listening back themselves.
We have our role in fighting abuse and activism against bestiality.
It can take many forms including just a simple conversation.
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Rones knows nothing about real activism.
Just vendettas, just vitriol, just virtue signaling.
Well look how virtuous Rones is, quietly muttering his hate from a mile away without ever making REAL change against abuse.
Content in never stepping foot in the field, false activism
@RonesRexouium
Compassion changes minds, listening to others opens people to listening back themselves.
We have our role in fighting abuse and activism against bestiality.
It can take many forms including just a simple conversation.
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Sex isn't exactly "special" in a human way. Its possible some animals simply do not care about sex at all or see it in certain ways
But there is often room for doubt and it is clear that sex and the unwarrantedness of it in some cases CAN hurt animals mentally and or physically.
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People are changed not by defining singular acts, but by compounding kindness.
Dump 10 gallons of water and 20 pound of soil on a flower… and it will die
But if you wait… and you water.. and tend, even when their thorns prick you, then you might get a chance to see them bloom
Maybe it's just me but I try to treat even the meanest antizoos with kindness as best I can. How I treat others is part of who I am, and I don't want them to determine that for me.
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@doglovinposs
@zoeyzetadog
Beastiality, while it can be willing.
Can not be informed.
Beastiality also comes with a LOT of risks and violation of an animal’s deserved rights such as the right to reasonable safety.
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@proudly_plural
Void has quite literally just been watching Gravity Falls and changed all his accounts for the occasion.
Pretty good show actually!
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You get close to them, become friends with them, make sure you develop positive influence over them and watch over them as they watch over you.
You give them community, listen to their voice, and share compassion.
This does NOT mean forgetting the severity of their actions
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@serpulalacrymen
Zoo accessories are TIGHT, I made this a couple months ago <3
Nice to just have small reminders in day to day life
Also show your bracelet too you gottaaa
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it doesn’t even mean truly forgiving their actions.
But to fight abuse you have to go to the source, not sugar coat or pretend like their past actions weren’t bad but lean on them and let them lean on you
There is no other way to do it to truly fight abuse, let people recover.
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@kazoosforzoos
I'd love to see any other points but I can't think of any.
Its mostly just cultural, I can think of a few points but on a broad scale it mostly just... isn't a big deal or have significant risks and the two people in it can talk about those risks and manage them.
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Misinformation.
Fear.
Pro-Contact Ideologies.
The state of the paraphile existence is, on a worldwide stage, in the worst place it can be, and yet it’s also at the best opportunity.
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To Practicing Zoos, DONT be afraid to step on toes in your community
Be willing to be confrontational and yet compassionate. Not just compassion towards the zoo but the animal
Complacency is what has brewed the abuse problem under the overly positive hood of the community
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I'm probably stepping on some toes in the zoo community, but it is what it is. I just need to get this off my chest. Some people in this community are way too quick to excuse or defend abusive behavior toward animals just because they think the animal is "consenting" to them.
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A statement from Kamran Nayeri on the relationship between animal and humans.
Morality and ethics are different, but this idea is certainly something to be mindful about.
Humans and animals should have NEVER sparked a slave/master dynamic, its something we need to fight against
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@kazoosforzoos
@ZooRightsMvmnt
So with that, we also isolate them to themselves and forget how they can communicate with us.
This is not in relation to being able to communicate consent or anything zoophilic like that.
I just mean in general. My dog if I take too long to feed him throws his bowl at me lol.
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@ZooRightsMvmnt
If you raise an animal from birth, isolate them from their own species keeping them at your house, make them rely on you in EVERY way, then they go through heat and are sexually frustrated with no way to relieve themselves, THEN you egg them on.
That’s not an animal’s choice…
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@RonesRexouium
I think the Pro-Contacts are desperate for anyone that wont immediately tell them to kill themselves. They prefer that over the 80th person to say “jump off a cliff”
The people who do that aren’t making any meaningful difference, just virtue signaling their hate than real change
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We can NOT push away those who are most vulnerable, doing so, even if it fulfills sense of justice, hurts more people and increases their risk.
So, if we can’t push away these people without causing more problems and increasing risk what can we do?
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Guys, if youre struggling with your diet for financial reasons, ESPECIALLY with vegetables and fruits, GET CANNED GOODS
Literally a can of green beans for 50 cents in some states and a whole ass can of peaches for a dollar
This is my knowledge from me to you, stay healthy.
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@ZooRightsMvmnt
Ethics is a standard to prevent harm and act in everyone’s best interest.
Let’s say a girl likes you but she also likes another guy. So you subtly sabotage their relationship and she settles for you, maybe even she’s as happier and isn’t harmed. Well, it still isn’t ethical
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I avoided it for 4 years, but the day of reckoning is here, I have covid. Rip.
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@Cat_Guest1
@ozzyice
Jesus, that’s just awful.
I hope Ozzy stays safe and Kitt is separated completely from them <3
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I love college! Genuinely such a joy to learn about minerals and rocks as a geologist. Currently I have a class on critical thinking at the moment and i've been using what i'm learning even here for debates and thoughtful analysis which is cool
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Over the next few months we're going to be focusing on finding more or more niche communities to support to reach out
We have stopped working with PARAdise, but they still are a valid community that you can join, they are important regardless of how they interact with PACHE
The official PACHE discord server is also being launched. This is a server for anyone to join and follows PACHE's goals and mindset.
Para Library will be available in the coming days, it is an archive of information on anti-contact topic, debate, and discourse by
@AntunDaCat
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But that because i’m not Pro-C that my alternative ideas that would be acceptable within the purview of Pro-C won’t ever be acknowledged
Like I don’t believe sex with animals is acceptable, but in a reality where I did, instead of stopping at "animals can’t consent"-
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This is not a study, those of y’all using it to say "some studies actually agree that animals can consent", know
This is not a valid source, this is an opinion on a site anyone can post to.
After reading it, not a very good one either, it has a multitude of problems.
Another thought-provoking article is "Zoophilia Is Morally Permissible" by Fira Bensto (pseudonym), which is just out in the current issue of
@JConIdeas
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This piece challenges one of society's strongest taboos and argues for the moral permissibility of some forms of sexual
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We let them repent, we let those who want change have the ability to change. There is no other option.
You must be a good influence to those others hate. You can hate their sins and actions. But you can’t hate THEM.
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@zetazeal0t
Doxxing is not okay, when you do that you’re asking to be doxxed yourself and anyone who has been can tell you it is one of the worst experiences.
Doxxing antis will not make zoos be seen in a more positive light, it’ll only self validify their actions and make them double down.
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@IsabellaScar2
I feel like a very large majority of the time this just isn't an issue people are going to take offense to
Stuttering isn't just a speech impediment thing, and most people aren't going to be using it AS an insulting phrase towards those that do stutter
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Or don’t give them a chance to recover and let them ALWAYS fail and enable their abuse through inaction.
I know the right choice.
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