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OH MY GOD FURINA CONFIRMS NEUVILLETTE IS “SEVERAL THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD”??
completely unexpected lore drop for the fontaine timeline discussion wtf?! 😭
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ok wait what does this mean…… did neuv sculpt a cute osial or are he and osial just cousins
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people don’t talk enough about the fact that neuvillette literally tells us vishap lunar heats are canon 😔
lunar cycles cause them to experience physiological surges of internal body fluids reminding them their deceased kin will be revived, obviously by them giving birth‼️
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sigewinne’s heavy cupid imagery (hearts all over, small wings, shoots darts) + being a wriolette intermediary/facilitator (saying neuv would like meropide, pushing wrio to interact w/ neuv)
AND cupid’s arrow making hades fall in love with persephone in one version of the myth…
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contrary to popular belief, neuvillette is actually most likely older than furina. additionally, in-game text suggests that he may have become iudex before she took the role of archon (yes i was surprised too)
thread analyzing evidence of the timeline 🧵
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lantern rite spoilers
#wriolette
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i’m crying, neuvi was inspired to engage with the human world to give wrio gifts and follow up on their inside joke with clorinde, and it led him to discover it’s actually fun to take time for personal outings and explore the human world 😭
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sige tells us how much wrio knows. there's "no secrets that can be kept from him here"; she can't imagine him being mistaken "despite everything he knew". he even knew abt samsara cycles, scylla being a vishap etc. but the ONE SECRET he doesn't know is HOW MUCH NEUV CARES ABT HIM
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4.4 leaks //
so ur telling me neuv goes to liyue to buy tea and handmakes a clay legal codex specifically for wrio... but then gives traveller some random ass spoon he made because he didn't prepare them any specific gift? is this contrast being shown intentionally? homoverse??
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🧵thread clarifying Furina’s intended “Whore of Babylon” allusions, showing that Egeria as hydro archon shares the biblical whore references & showing how the bible story parallels the Fontaine AQ.
ngl hoyo kinda cooked with the bible ref & I want to clarify it for others.
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im ngl i love neuv but the fact that he didnt clock on to furina having no powers in those 500 yrs is enough to make me go “hmm yea maybe he deserves to win this one” LMAO
So this is the poll about Neuvillette's lowest IQ in genshin impact
I'm dying from laughter, won't lie
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sometimes the ideal nuclear family is a dragon, a dude, and their 400 yr old anthropomorphized slug child 😭❤️
Character Teaser - "Sigewinne: Everyday Correspondence" |
#GenshinImpact4
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#GenshinImpact
#Sigewinne
However long a letter is, there are some things you'll always miss.
So please, seize every opportunity to visit those who mean the world to you!
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4.4 leaks //
THANK YOU GOOGLE TRANSLATE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE CONTEXT FOR THIS IS BUT OH MY GOD WRIOLETTE FLIRTING
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like. we had this huge formative moment of kindness wrio experienced in his past of a melusine feeding him at one of his lowest points.
and hoyo just took that foundational character building moment and said “actually it was NEUVILLETTE who fed him (breaking his own rules)!”
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this exchange makes me crazy, why does wriothesley glare at sigewinne for suggesting they pass on his regards to neuv? why does wrio immediately back down when she says 'no matter how you say it(?), it's polite'... why does it feel like him getting annoyed at matchmaker sigewinne
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why do people keep saying he reincarnated 500 years ago, i looked at literally all of the available info in game on neuvillette’s age and there is NO evidence he was reborn 500 years ago. that’s literally just a headcanon.
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it’s crazy that wrlt’s relationship progression is actually part of neuv’s overall character growth arc. the writers have explicitly tied these two things together, from wrio breaking through to neuv in his SQ to neuv experiencing humanity more widely partly to get closer to wrio
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the fact that this ended up being true and you called it.... honestly it just reinforces just how intentionally written wriolette has been as a ship. the themes of their relationship are so consistent and thoughtfully, lovingly developed by the writers from the very start.
think about this often but- how does the way melusines treat certain humans reflect about neuvillette’s own feelings?
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i mean first of all this is basically what was said in the quest and doesn’t introduce any new info, and secondly isn’t hoyowiki written by volunteers that get paid in primogems? it’s not an authoritative source & has inaccuracies
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oh my god neuvillette keeps breaking his own selfimposed rules specifically for wrio this is crazy
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wriothesley's hidden line in neuvillette's story quest with CN voiceover
#wriolette
"Troubles are an inevitable part of life, but it seems like the Chief Justice has had more of them than most."
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sincerely hope i never see another nf shipper compare them to hk*vh ever again
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we know bathysmal vishaps reproduce and evolve via offspring from vishap mothers. although vishaps are elemental creatures it seems they still reproduce and evolve in a manner similar to animals? “seeds” seem almost like a metaphor (perhaps magical) for adaptive genes.
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yes i will keep yelling into the void about this until everyone accepts neuvillette regularly going into heat is canon
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now that we know neuvi cared for wrio's wellbeing even when wrio was younger, i think we need to revisit that it wasn't a coincidence hoyo put the love story of the oceanid Callirhoe and the struggling human boy Finch in 4.1 alongside wrlt's release...
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sorry to vent but im so annoyed that i cant hc neuv & frna as familial without being called a misogynist, this braindead take coming from biased shippers weaponizing buzzwords they barely understand. i would hc them that way even if wrlt didnt exist. be quiet for the love of god
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bringing back my thread, now i wait for explicit confirmation that he became iudex before furina was created 🙏
contrary to popular belief, neuvillette is actually most likely older than furina. additionally, in-game text suggests that he may have become iudex before she took the role of archon (yes i was surprised too)
thread analyzing evidence of the timeline 🧵
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@RenatoR15157080
he’s a nice guy and cared about furina and respected focalors’ sacrifice. but he explicitly SAYS he did not agree with everything furina or focalors did, and he doesn’t support the system focafuri as archon represented even if he wasn’t willing to hurt her to get his authority.
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no but tell me why they put a japanese proverb in neuvillette’s voiceline about wriothesley and he even tells us specifically it’s a japanese (inazuman) thing, and then they put a japanese metaphor for romantic relationship in wrio’s voiceline about neuvi 😭 it’s SO INTENTIONAL?!
what i find interesting is that wriolette’s voicelines for each other both use japanese references… neuv specifically uses a jp proverb, and sharing umbrella/aiaigasa is strongly romantic specifically in a jp cultural context.
they’re truly always written as a matching pair 🫶
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when your radfemism is so terminal it makes you degrade female characters just cuz they're tied to men LMAOO
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ngl you might have a point if you were saying this about non-hoyoverse fandoms. but there are no good m/f ships in hoyo games cuz hoyo is heterophobic. almost all the hatred towards m/f ships in hoyo games is cuz they're 1. mid/crack, 2. queer erasure or 3. homophobic spite ships
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"Dear Monsieur Neuvillette, I have finally found a secret that even he does not know..."
like this is actually the most romance plot trope i've ever seen. how is this character story real and not a fanfic?
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Y’ALL I WASN’T BEING DELUSIONAL WITH THIS THREAD 😭 she really was intentionally written as cupid pushing wrio and neuvi to get closer to each other
sigewinne’s heavy cupid imagery (hearts all over, small wings, shoots darts) + being a wriolette intermediary/facilitator (saying neuv would like meropide, pushing wrio to interact w/ neuv)
AND cupid’s arrow making hades fall in love with persephone in one version of the myth…
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i know i keep saying this but i’m constantly amazed how much wrlt was planned from the start. neuvillette’s comment about wrio’s vision really only makes sense in the context of him having been aware of wrio’s life. i wonder if wrio already knew abt sige’s letters at this point?
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the writers even specifically emphasize that clorinde went to qiaoying for navia & not to buy tea, UNLIKE NEUVI, and she only bought wrio tea because of the bet. neuv wasn’t bound by the bet. he chose to travel to buy wrio tea and handmade him a ceramic codex entirely on his own!
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even though sigewinne is older than wriothesley, neuvillette’s first thought at the idea she is getting bullied is to call wriothesley to demand an explanation for why he’s not properly taking care of her
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i think neuv was just hanging out underground with his vishap buddies before foca’s letter arrived
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the “sigewinne might be cupid but it has nothing to do with wrlt” copium is funny
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neuvillette described melusines as “dependents and successors” to him in his capacity as hydro dragon. that’s what i thought sigewinne’s “dragonheir” title is calling back to. i mean besides her simply being neuv’s “beloved daughter” of course
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no but seriously he legit glares at her, like HOW does his reaction make sense if not explained by my delusional interpretation... we know he holds neuvillette in the highest esteem so it's not like he's disdaining to pass his regards to neuv because of that /shakes him
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lmfao the fact that you realized hoyolab specifically reposted a version with the neuv cosplayer cut out, and had to backtrack to link a fan channel instead, is funny af. are you even selfaware enough to realize it? hoyolab rejected the pair version because it wasn’t commissioned
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what i find interesting is that wriolette’s voicelines for each other both use japanese references… neuv specifically uses a jp proverb, and sharing umbrella/aiaigasa is strongly romantic specifically in a jp cultural context.
they’re truly always written as a matching pair 🫶
real shojo enjoyers will definitely see the umbrella neuvillette wriothesley voiceline was meant to be seen as a ship crumbs and can be seen in romantic way anyway
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500 years of furina telling neuvi to get out more and he did it for wrio… furina just needed to matchmake better to encourage him to socialize
Furina, you're the best wriolette wingwoman; your ex-Iudex finally took your advice to go on a break and get gifts for the boyfriend. 👏
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listen…… neuv furina and wrio are the french version of zhongli hutao and childe. listen. i swear to god hoyo consciously used the liyue charas as blueprints when designing the fontaine chars.
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concerned about whether the remulla oomfies can cope if scylla ends up not having a human form and remus is just a whalefucker
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do you understand how crazy this is. how much of a romance plot trope treatment this is. they just completely upended what we thought we knew about these characters and recontextualized this event as yet more evidence of how deeply connected these two chars are with each other.
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not a single priest reference pic on neuvillette’s outfit design sheet and some thread is spreading misinfo that he has a priest fit. why do these people act like they interned at a gop think tank fr, shit’s crazy
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we do know that neuvillette never met focalors when he arrived in fontaine bc he didn’t recognize her in the AQ and mistook furina’s cursed human aura for archon divinity. if he’d ever met the real focalors he would’ve been able to tell, like arle did, that furina was only human.
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no way the person who wrote that hilariously cringe-inducing essay exemplifying dunning krueger effect made fun of someone else’s analysis? i wasn’t gonna call them out cuz i thought they’re an earnest idiot but if they mocked others then all bets are off??
I don’t usually do this but I’m a bit peeved ngl: You take an entire screen recording of someone’s document making fun of them audibly laughing at them (despite there not being an issue), then make a response to a post in which has many actual correctable errors, but when people
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4.4 leaks //
omg wait, so charlotte recently wrote an article about liyue tea and navia said 'maybe neuvillette wanted to come over and buy tea after seeing that'
and then neuvillette tells traveller 'after reading some news about the liyue festival recently' he decided to go
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we know that furina took on the role of hydro archon shortly after being created by focalors avulsing her divinity. furina gives her accession speech in the opera epiclese. this implies that she was only born, or at least only took the role of archon, AFTER the opera was built.
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this would suggest that neuvillette arrived in fontaine, never having been around humans before, and immediately began acting as iudex with no archon to be found 😭 the idea is honestly too funny.
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@kezo_pana
oh my goddddd this is so cute!! i love the thought of wrio just taking in stride neuv’s obliviousness about how human romance works even though their relationship has probably already crossed some boundaries from platonic to courting/dating
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sigewinne’s signature weapon lore makes her cupid parallel EXPLICIT. 😭 sigewinne’s bow is the same one that made aurelius fall in love with dryastis in the myth.
now that sigewinne is confirmed a bow user (with hearts and wings on her bow to boot), bring back the sigewinne cupid for wriolette (and clorivia) conspiracy theories...
pushing wrlt to interact with each other, giving clorinde the lipstick that facilitates clrv sharing lipstick
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the only confirmed upper bound on neuvillette’s age is the enkanomiya prophecy report, which indicates he is no older than the archon war, since orobashi was the one experimenting on vishaps & he perished in the war. so all we know so far is neuvillette was born <2000 years ago.
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@RenatoR15157080
so while saying neuvillette hated or wished harm on focalors/furina for being a usurper is wrong, it is equally wrong and frankly offensive to call him her devoted believer or cast him as her “priest” or servant.
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dwight lasker’s note tells us that, shortly after the cataclysm (500 yrs ago), there were plans to build the opera epiclese. soon after hearing of those plans, dwight talks of meeting the newly appointed iudex, neuvillette.
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trying to lend credibility to your nonexistent delusional m/f ship by desperately grabbing the coattails of a gay ship actually lovingly developed and written into the story with as much explicitness as the writers can get away with given censorship 💀
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@renjingism
@mel_wrlt
this was from datamining of likely pre-release material and never actually in the post-release game, it was never canon in the same way that things in beta that change for live game arent canon. hoyo didn’t “alter game because of harassment” they decided to remove it on their own
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oh that age gap tantrum thrower is one of the redacted shippers who was coping about my neuv & furina age analysis thread, saying analyzing timelines based on world quests is weird and only main story counts or something LMFAO
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cant believe balzac’s vautrin goes to prison and has a gay lover there and henry wriothesley was in prison with his gay lover and both vautrin & wrio genshin impact are blatant parallels of each other, also go to prison and are very dear to neuvillette. homoverse you’re insane
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i really need people who clearly don’t play the game with their eyes open to stop writing whole fucking essays on character dynamics. the audacity is crazy to think your opinion has value when you clearly don’t play anything beyond AQs, if that
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no but the writers went nuts, they didn’t need to make lantern rite so obviously gay, like the clorivia and wriolette was hammered home and they even specifically pre-empted the copium non-shippers might try to say like wtf 😭 clorinde didn’t need to insist “my situation is diff”
the writers even specifically emphasize that clorinde went to qiaoying for navia & not to buy tea, UNLIKE NEUVI, and she only bought wrio tea because of the bet. neuv wasn’t bound by the bet. he chose to travel to buy wrio tea and handmade him a ceramic codex entirely on his own!
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somehow it almost feels reminiscent of his reaction to paimon suggesting he ask neuvi to stay in meropide... feels like he doth protest too much... i wonder how many times sigewinne/clorinde/etc pushes him to get closer to neuvillette...
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anyway about the blame for fontaine govt convo, i think neuv and furina are both responsible. neuv knew he is more capable/responsible than she is and shouldve done more tbh, painting him as a helpless ingenue undersells his agency and potential as a char
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throwback to my matchmaker sigewinne ravings
this exchange makes me crazy, why does wriothesley glare at sigewinne for suggesting they pass on his regards to neuv? why does wrio immediately back down when she says 'no matter how you say it(?), it's polite'... why does it feel like him getting annoyed at matchmaker sigewinne
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the construction of the opera epiclese & neuvillette’s appointment as iudex are thus implied to happen close in time, with neuv possibly being iudex while it’s being built, as such a big project would likely take years & aeval tells us the workers “took their time” on it.
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someone explain to me why a certain group of shippers and their wrlt-hating adjacents are constantly creating burner accs cuz they’re too scared to engage on their mains with those who disagree with them? it’s honestly creepy at this point
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neuvillette was already born when he received focalors’ letter inviting him to fontaine. in his char story, it is implied that there is a time gap after focalors inviting him & before him taking his seat in the opera epiclese: “/Later/, he would indeed receive that very seat…”
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god why are wrlt so soft, they make me feel so warm and fuzzy 🥺 when the yaoi is so old men that it wraps around to feeling like two young teens dating chastely for the first time
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in the first clip, it's almost like sigewinne is saying "why are you freaking out, passing on regarsd is just a polite thing to do (it doesn't have to suggest anything weird)" and he backs down immediately because he realized he was overreacting to her (she WAS teasing him tho)
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i honestly didn’t realize how far ahead the writers planned wrlt to have this level of subtext, like it’s integrated at a foundational level given that neuv’s SQ is about how impacted he was by what happened with vautrin and carole & wrio is the one who counsels him abt vautrin
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meaning also that she had not yet created furina when this letter was sent.
this strongly implies that neuvillette was born before furina was created, since he was clearly alive for some time before receiving this letter.
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enough 5000 year old l*li propaganda please it’s so fucking tiresome and disingenuous
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@luluraemi
it might be an english translation of the CN translation of this horace quote which just means everyone dies
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@Lola35782832
that’s not canon, that was just a fan theory. there’s no proof that the hydro sovereign can’t exist at the same time as egeria
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@ppaappaas
there is zero evidence he reincarnated 500 years ago. you are confusing him coming to fontaine 500 years ago with that being his age. the only canon proof of his age is he must be <2-3k yrs because he was born after orobashi’s vishap experiments & orobashi died in the archon war.
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but seriously they make it so obvious that neuvi got inspired to go to qiaoying because he wanted to give wrio the tea he read about 😭 he only went for half a day and then beelined back to continue working
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genshin writing and character design is honestly really basic on a surface level, if you apply even a modicum of literary analysis and color theory you can guess a lot of the writers’ intent for these chars
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@imprintonmynose
supposedly it’s ambiguous? the CN phrase could be interpreted as “thousands” (as in more than 1 thousand, so could be two thousand or more, which makes the EN translation correct) or just “over 1 thousand”
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furthermore, the narzissenkreuz lore doesn’t mention focalors, furina or the hydro archon — but it does mention neuvillette, which puts him as acting as iudex within the first century post-cataclysm & puts a big question mark on where focalors & furina were for some time. 🤔
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“ALL I DID WAS IMPLY THAT THEY HAVE A COMPLEX RELATIONSHIP AND BY THAT I MEANT "NOT FRIENDS NOT STRANGERS"”
yes hk*vh are ‘not friends not strangers’ cuz theyre implied to be romantically involved and at this point are basically common law married in canon… cmon now…
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this wording supports the idea that the opera epiclese — and neuv’s seat therein — did not yet exist when neuvillette was first invited to fontaine.
furthermore, we can infer that focalors was still active when she sent this letter, and had not yet put herself in the oratrice…
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actually, focalors being MIA right after ascending post-cataclysm can be explained by her thinking up her grand plan on the seafloor for a few years/decades. then she invited neuv by letter, gave directions to build the opera epiclese for her grand plan and created furina.
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ppl who haven’t read husky & his white cat shizun / 2ha comparing wrlt’s backstory to random het series is so weird… older guy directing a subordinate to give food to younger guy, younger guy misunderstanding and not realizing the older guy cared all along, is straight from 2ha
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i cant believe hoyo can be so misogynist and infantilizing furina by calling her story quest “little soul of a chorus director”, dont they know she is a fully mature and normal sized soul??????
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it’s less clear when exactly neuvillette became iudex. he says that he took the role “a little over 400 yrs ago”, but the exact date is ambiguous.
dwight was likely an adult pre-cataclysm & was still the director of the institute when he met neuv, suggesting neuv might’ve
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so glad hoyo supports my familial neuv and frna hc despite what the delusional weirdos in this fandom have to say, thanks hoyo
sorry to vent but im so annoyed that i cant hc neuv & frna as familial without being called a misogynist, this braindead take coming from biased shippers weaponizing buzzwords they barely understand. i would hc them that way even if wrlt didnt exist. be quiet for the love of god
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it’s pathetic that some ppl will just ss and mock only because they don’t actually know the full lore and are too scared to discuss things directly. i have a whole analysis thread suggesting furina became archon AFTER neuv became iudex, that’s WHY im asking for direct evidence 💀
contrary to popular belief, neuvillette is actually most likely older than furina. additionally, in-game text suggests that he may have become iudex before she took the role of archon (yes i was surprised too)
thread analyzing evidence of the timeline 🧵
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hoyo literally does not support nvfr lmfao the only evidence shippers have for the ship being supported is this skate video and hoyolab literally went out of its way to say “fuck you” and reposted a version with neuvillette cut out. I CAN’T
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but how many times did i get validated tho, my “i dont like pairing furina with man she one sidedly depended on, i prefer her independence narrative” thread made these ppl so mad, then literally one week later 4.3 event drops showing furina unhappy at having to rely on neuvi 🧍♀️🧍♀️
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me trying to understand how neuv & furina are supposed to be similar to alhthm & kaveh in terms of being philosophical/ideological mirrors (some take i just saw)
"i mean i guess, one is emotional and likes art... the other... also... likes art... and is emotional.........."
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i understand getting mad at found family hc’s weaponized purely for ship war reasons but all relationships in media are not created equal… some are genuinely more familial than others such that a large proportion of non-shippers see them as familial w/o shipping any rival ship
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4.4 leaks //
they really tell us that neuvillette went to qiaoying to buy wrio tea 😭 he doesn't go on vacations because of a "lack of inspiration" but after reading recent articles like charlotte's article about liyue tea, he gets inspired to go and try new things...
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become iudex within a few decades of the end of the cataclysm. something like ~450ish years ago could still fit neuv’s statement of him becoming iudex “a little over 400 years ago.”
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@neuvillotters
LMAO not only is neuv the sovereign who wants to throw hands with the archons, but he’s also friends/cousins with zhongli’s most cantankerous hydro neighbors
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people have suggested that in the 4.2 AQ flashbacks of furina’s life, the scene numbers represent days, since the last scene number 182375 in days would equal a little over 499 years.
however, i don’t think the scene number is meant to represent exact days, since the first few
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