Nigel Woodall
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Seems when I updated the site it made the URL wrong.
This will be a site that contains links to my results as well as a description of what' going on.
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Some people have suggested that Japanese devs don't really get the fact that the way internet is overseas is very different, and so rollback is vital. I tried to help them understand via the guilty gear strive feedback survey.
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Comparison of PC vs PS4 Guilty Gear Strive using Nvidia Reflex Latency Analyser.
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SF6 input lag tests (release).
I would interpret these as being the same across all the current generation systems. Lack of VRR type support hampers input lag.
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PS4onPS5
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Video Interrupt Method
P1 Command History Brook UFB Fusion 57.71ms(110T)
P1 Animation Brook UFB Fusion 57.71ms(110T)
Difference 0.0ms (110T)
Turbo
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Going to take a bit longer before I've got long sets of data to report for PC KOF XV, but for now it's looking like about 33ms final average. Ultra low latency. Vsync - Use 3d settings. Window 1080 60hz. I will test further settings but not right now.
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XSX SF6 Beta
Thank you to
@It_is_ibrahim_
for providing me with the code to access the beta.
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Uni2 input lag results. Video interrupt method.
PS5 with vsync 56ms.
PS4onPS5 with vsync 25ms.
PS4onPS5 and PS5 with vsync off. Around 12ms! Maybe. Input lag with screen tearing is a nightmare. Might try to do a video on it tomorrow.
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A couple of people have asked what I think about Tekken 8 Demo's input lag results. I try to keep my opinions out of my results, so as not to muddy the waters, but here goes.
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45. PS5 KOFXV
Results
Average (raw ms)87.89
Minimum (ms)80
Maximum (ms)97
Range (ms)17
Count103
Mouse correction (ms)4.5
Pixel count (pixels)144
Pixel correction (ms)-2.22
Decimal correction (ms)0.5
Final result (ms)90.67
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Soul Calibur VI input lag
PS4 76ms
X1 80ms
Large amounts in fluctuation between sets.
Also worth mentioning I was using the command history for this one, but from what I checked this is on the same frame as the start of the animation.
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My database with all of my input lag testing results.
An explanation of how the results are obtained.
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First thing to note is, this is the fastest Tekken has ever been on console.
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Put together my thoughts on VRR and 120hz settings on PS5.
Looked at KOF XV, DNF Duel, Guilty Gear Strive.
In summary.
PS4 games on PS5. No settings have any effect.
PS5 games. 120hz settings have no effect. VRR auto apply results in ~4ms penalty.
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#input
lag
System,PS4Pro
Game,Melty Blood Type Lumina
P1_Controller,Brook UFB Version 3.0
P2_Controller,
P1_Move,A
P2_Move,Command History
P1_alternativemove,
P2_alternativemove,
Monitor,Nil
P1_Average,55.9ms
P2_Average,55.9ms
Method,Video interrupt
Notes
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@CharlesPlaine
@OrochiFame96
"I would interpret these as being the same across all the current generation systems."
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My goal for the year is an input test per day (on average) and to get over 3000 followers on twitter.
Maybe to get a video with 1000 views (not counting digital foundry). We'll see.
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T7 1.00 vs T7 1.08 input lag comparison. Read the YouTube description for more details.
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And as a final request, could people please keep the system wars shit out of my twitter feed. I put a lot of work into this, and the kindergarten level insults detract from my enthusiasm for doing so.
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PS4onPS5
Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising
1080P60
Video Interrupt Method
Fixed,
106 trials
P1 Command History using Brook UFB Fusion 41.19ms
P1 Animation using Brook UFB Fusion 41.19ms
0:0 with 106 draws. Difference = 0.0ms
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People often ask what 64 ms (for example) is in frames.
Fighting generally/classically run at 60fps so each frame is 1000ms/60fps = 16.66ms long. So 64/16.66 is 3.84 frames.
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All my input lag testing results in one place, separated by video interrupt or camera, organised by speed/game/system.
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Input lag testing is not always well rewarded or regarded. But sometimes something happens that really hits the Mark.
Thanks
@valvesoftware
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There is discussion at the moment regarding temperature affecting ps5 input lag.
Could someone measure the temperature of a ps5 thought to be overheating at a tournament, please?
I would suggest measuring at the back usb ports as this is where people have felt the effect is.
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PS5
Tekken 8 Demo
1080P60
Video Interrupt Method
Fixed,
106 trials
P1 Command History using Brook UFB Fusion 58.76ms
P1 Animation using Brook UFB Fusion 58.76ms
0:0 with 106 draws. Difference = 0.0ms
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Trying to work out a way to test online lag in a similar way to how we've approached input lag. The setup I'm working with is two GPS modules connected to arduinos. When the PPS pin turns on, I turn on an optocoupler and turn on a button, whilst turning off a video signal.
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Two captures trying to confirm or deny PC results. Both captured on BenQ RL2755 to remove any confounding with 360hz or GSync.
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Looked at the effect of hz on input lag for SF6.
This was my first try building a webpage. This will hopefully answer questions that people have had, going into more detail than is easily achievable in twitter threads.
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PS5
Tekken 8
1080P60
Video Interrupt Method
Fixed,
106 trials
P1 Command History using Brook UFB Fusion 58.89ms
P1 Animation using Brook UFB Fusion 58.89ms
0:0 with 106 draws. Difference = 0.0ms
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I have created a document that summarises all my input lag tests. This should make it easier for people to search or look up old games and results.
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PS5KOF XVBrook UFBUSB-A at front USB communication4.15F69.10ms
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xVewpk0-tYyvitg_OiLf9iDitHbx8Nu262cbuAhrXqY/edit#gid=192223072https://youtu.be/q7D_ZVch7p8
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Just a quick heads up. If all goes to plan I won't be at home to test dnf duel or capcom fighting collection. I'll be in Japan for three weeks. I'll test them when I come back.
@kimagreGaming
may test it in the meantime.
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To mention, brook sent me a wingman fgc and brook UFB fusion to test, and were ok with me releasing results.
FGC wingman have been updated. Tried two different adapters.
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PS5
Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising
Agnostic
Video Interrupt Method
Fixed,
104 trials
P1 Command History using Brook UFB Fusion 41.96ms
P1 Animation using Brook UFB Fusion 41.96ms
0:0 with 104 draws. Difference = 0.0ms
Patch 1.21
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74. PS3 P4U
75. PS4Pro P4U
Tried doing these using a new program to automatically generate results.
Results are 2.76F for PS3, 2.5F for PS4Pro.
I will try to improve the videos in the coming days.
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New testing method using LDR (old component converter didn't seem to want to cooperate).
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XSX Inputlag testing
Note - not actually that interested in 720p as it's about the same. More that XSX defaulted to that initially so I checked that my testing software would be ok with it.
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@Jebailey
Some people have been asking about USB hubs since Evo. I had tested one previously. In the mean time I've bought another one like this.
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48. XSX KOF XV 120hz
Results
Average (raw ms)49.41
Minimum (ms)40
Maximum (ms)58
Range (ms)18
Count104
Mouse correction (ms)4.5
Pixel count (pixels)144
Pixel correction (ms)-1.11
Decimal correction (ms)0.5
Final result (ms)53.30
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43. PS4Pro KOFXV
Results
Average (raw ms)65.88
Minimum (ms)57
Maximum (ms)75
Range (ms)18
Count111
Mouse correction (ms)4.5
Pixel count (pixels)144
Pixel correction (ms)-2.22
Decimal correction (ms)0.5
Final result (ms)68.66
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Summarising.
Tekken 8 Results with video interrupt method. Can't test 4k/120/VRR. Can't test PC. Poor with VSync.
All results available here.
Approximately 58ms.
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A little side project I've been working on. Easy credit card size attachment to pop on top of pcb. Still allows access to pins for testing.
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This is very complicated. In any event, it appears for games (not SF6) that don't tear, VRR off is the best for input lag on PS5.
I might even try to record an explanation of what it all means.
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99-102. PS5 VRR tests
No significant difference that I can see.
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PS4onPS5
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Video Interrupt Method
P1 Command History Brook UFB Fusion 57.74ms(56T)
P1 Animation Brook UFB Fusion 57.74ms(56T)
Difference 0.0ms (59T)
Normal
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44. PS4onPS5 KOFXV
Results
Average (raw ms)66.61
Minimum (ms)58
Maximum (ms)75
Range (ms)17
Count103
Mouse correction (ms)4.5
Pixel count (pixels)144
Pixel correction (ms)-2.22
Decimal correction (ms)0.5
Final result (ms)69.39
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