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Going to post this here as well.
You aren't going to convince me that loli is normalization of child rape depicted through drawings when they are both different things entirely.
I have CSAM ⚠️of myself⚠️ of many types, in the dark web, and I thus know the difference.
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@MaltSalt456
Congratulations.
If you deem this art as art depicting real minors, you're distributing it via Twitter thus you're being as illegal as the one you're exposing.
What's the next step in your master plan?
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@cylarcosmos
@snekk67723
@TheNoteableOne1
Ok, so you're above the law and doctors, your golden opinion is what matters?
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@FictionAffects
@CookiMous
@RaiaMarcci
Also she's even wrong, Scooby Doo would pass that test as he can understand us and talk, so obviously flawed. It's just disgusting when taken as fact.
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@RustyChroma1
You know you're normalizing that CSA and grooming survivors are like fiction with that buzz-sentence, right?
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@iheartsoggycat
@SpoonyPopoto
@LeadPipe_Images
@Carten41981077
So if you think that's CSEM, congrats you just distributed CSEM.
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@cylarcosmos
@snekk67723
@TheNoteableOne1
No, but your hot take isn't that. Your hot take is "If you look at fictional beings designed to be cute, that makes you a pedophile."
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@Vecheetos
@AliceLovesL0lis
@egg_fucker72141
This paper misconstrues in a chapter Galbraith's words to their biased views to make it seem like what they say is truth, plus 80% of the paper is about the idol industry, an actual bad thing, but unrelated in totality to lolicon.
It's not a gotcha.
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@NoYouDontgetTit
Yet you're the one who said that a CSA victim must've enjoyed being r🦧d. Nobody is harassing you, we're just saying that what you said is EXTREMELY wrong.
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@cylarcosmos
@snekk67723
@TheNoteableOne1
If those are literal children, why haven't I seen any in real life?
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@basabasa_art
@mofumofukani
By saying loli art is pedophilic you're normalizing that CSA and/or grooming survivors are fictional beings (because the art might as well just exactly match their experiences.)
It's not a good thing to spread and hurts us.
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@GodNikaJoyBoy
@nycobrine1
@Sxmureye
Suddenly not a drawing because that's an action named doxing. Hope this helps.
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@SuccuberryVT
@OtakuNijikon
Hi, just passing by, but "Well, as long as it doesn't happen to me, I don't care!" is what I'm reading, here.
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@basabasa_art
@mofumofukani
Pedophilia only applies to real children. Not fictional beings made to embody the concept of cuteness.
Also, pedophilia isn't a spectrum to be -ilic. It's either something someone has or not.
So yes, you are normalizing, even if you don't realize it.
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@LunarBuneary
@toxiclee_
Friendly correction: It's about the attraction to young-looking, cutely drawn, girl/boy characters in a complementary sexual/erotic way.
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@2024_just19276
@loliking33
@YouumArkIX
@TheRedValor_21
Hi, using real kids as references in sexual art is illegal and what your hypothetical manga is, is pure CSEM.
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@mofumofukani
Additionally, Brazilian friends, Brazil law itself on the Child & Adolescent Statute (part of Criminal Law), says shotacon & lolicon EXPLICITLY as NOT being CSAM/CSEM.
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@El_cringe_J
@antoedoboah
@Laarskow_
@NameOrSummin
@travisc040
@NekomancerKun
Just passing by, but I'm happy I'm not the loser that is on the side of the guy celebrating abuse.
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@Luna_X9
@cdeesnutss
@mofumofukani
Nobody is "celebrating" it in public, people are just seeking out a healthy socialization that fits their preferences and needs, in such communities.
Obviously coping is done with therapists or alone, but socialization ultimately can't be done alone.
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@iLikeKidzPop69
@AliceLovesL0lis
@egg_fucker72141
All of those except me, either used minors as reference for their art or groomed someone, which makes them not lolicon but pedos
Also I see you sneaking me, a CSA survivor, on the list as if it's some kinda gotcha, Mr. iLikeKidzPop69
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@RustyChroma1
That discord server admin in the callout lets minors in 18+ spaces, so you're correct that they're a pedo.
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@JaykeJayke96129
@AliceLovesL0lis
Actually allowing the normalization of things like "loli is about children", DOES, in fact, harm CSA survivors. And inviting pedos to take interest (especially nsfw interest) DOES, in fact, not protect children.
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@CookiMous
@Takahoshino18
> Kanna might be 1000 years old or whatever but she clearly still has the mentality of a elementary schooler.
False if you had read the source. Kanna *pretends* to be like that.
The argument here is: If my fictional being is about pedos, your fictional character is about zoos.
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@SquishyWooper
What if I told you, that it's not about the character's age that lolicon go for loli art? They go for the features that people think is cute. Just that.
Also, if anyone is outed as an actual pedo in the community, people report them instantly. They don't get to be in the group.
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@naxmydude
@CEOofMelusine
@lunaursaa
You'd have to find Japanese studies and know scientific-level Japanese.
There's decades of studies on this, because it's obvious there's interest to know if it's pedophilia or not, and papers that I can get to, all say it's not.
Here's an excerpt of one:
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@GodNikaJoyBoy
@nycobrine1
@Sxmureye
I mean, it's up to you to do the doxing you wanna do, I'm not gonna encourage it, is all.
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@MedPocket_
@LunarBuneary
@toxiclee_
No, there's a difference between drawing some kid, and drawing some loli/shota, in a sexual context. The first one is CSE/AM, zero doubts. The latter is inoffensive fiction, illegal in a low number of countries (just 15 out of 193).
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I tried.
this image goes so hard can someone draw anti-chan over it
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@Burden_Existing
@mofumofukani
@FictionAffects
@Crystaltree7
@CookiMous
@RaiaMarcci
Introducing Ilulu to squash your argument.
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@SquishyWooper
And it's ok to think it's nauseating, I'm not invalidating your experiences.
This logic of loli=pedo, harms adults because you spread fear about a group so people start going after them.
And harms kids' safety, because when everyone's considered a pedo, nobody is one. It's bad.
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@unatco_001
@AliceLovesL0lis
Are characters breathing where you live? Jumping out of books and walking about?
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@Clone_Boy15
@mofumofukani
Sounds like someone got internally mad that someone else commented on the clearly modeled after dog vaginas bright green piece of silicone, negatively.
Something you wanna tell us, Clone Boy?
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@MedPocket_
@HiiragiiUtena
@LunarBuneary
@toxiclee_
It's just a character designed to be excessively cute. That's it.
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@EmperorSquish
@SleepyPanda666
@Trollos____
They'll only stop showing if you guys stopped with the "hurr pedophilia" low IQ yap.
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@quitzy27
Yes. Wanna know why? The person drew 0 porn, was SFW in everything they posted. Did 1 satire post, made people mad.
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@45Anthei
@roxagenciana
@SophiePinkStar
@DominationIsKey
@SirMicheal8
It's as simple as "Valentino is fiction, I can imagine him getting stomped to smithereens. I can imagine him getting duped to enter a machine which cuts him up."
Basically all "Victim is now the winner." scenarios. Even if to an outside perspective it looks weird.
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@SquishyWooper
So lemme get this straight, you think loli art will normalize child abuse because there's an apparent real life kid?
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@DannyBo45117566
@xXxHughJarsexXx
@Eliotthemaste
@kurokaze907
@khit_khat_kat
If that's a person for you, then you have undiagnosed schizophrenia.
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@Burden_Existing
@Crystaltree7
@FictionAffects
@CookiMous
@RaiaMarcci
Good thing lolicon don't care about age in fiction, and they do care in reality. Too complex for understanding?
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@loroquinnha
@banirakushi
Credencial minha é que tenho diploma de Direito, assim como sou sobrevivente de abuso sexual infantil; logo sei muito bem o que é e o que não é. E desenhos, simplesmente não são.
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@DannyBo45117566
@xXxHughJarsexXx
@Eliotthemaste
@kurokaze907
@khit_khat_kat
>1993
That's an adult. Now come on. Do your argument based on that.
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@DannyBo45117566
@xXxHughJarsexXx
@Eliotthemaste
@kurokaze907
@khit_khat_kat
Yeah, when your gaslight doesn't work it's boring, right?
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@SquishyWooper
Because I know they aren't in the context of a real life child.
I find the art's cuteness, softness, innocence-like, naive-like, pureness, etc attractive.
I don't even care about kids sexually. I care about kids in shielding them from people like you who see them in a sexual way.
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@imactuallykoo1s
Doesn't seem like you're "ballin" or even "back" if you give up. Just learn that we're not the pedos and move on, there's easier targets to cyberbully. Try the zoophiles next.
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@SquishyWooper
In a way, it's the same mechanic that's happening when people spread "Oh, you're trans, you are a groomer."
It invalidates the trans that are innocent, because people think of possible grooming when they see any of them in real life, in other words no filter only anger.
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@DannyBo45117566
@xXxHughJarsexXx
@Eliotthemaste
@kurokaze907
@khit_khat_kat
Indeed, all you said about lolicon & loli was a falsehood.
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@sapphillean_
@D3000bkn
@vriskaPraiser
I'm up for answering that.
What I go after, is the softness, the innocence, how delicate it is, the cuteness expressed in the art. It gives me comfort. I self-insert into the loli place even.
Also notice, that I never said I went for the age? That's what differs me from a pedo.
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@Burden_Existing
@mofumofukani
@FictionAffects
@Crystaltree7
@CookiMous
@RaiaMarcci
For a bit on that, it's because of people too obsessed with age, that the genre legal loli had to be invented.
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@NobaDoba
@ShipperSponsor
@Naga3457464
As the embodiment of this word. And here, I highlighted useful information in advance.
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@BabiiKamargo
@loroquinnha
@banirakushi
Não é "apologia a pedo" coisa nenhuma. Se fosse, teria uma criança abusada ou tomada vantagem pra criar o material.
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@c0wabungadud3
> shoving your sexual enjoyment of anime toddlers or whatever down the internet's throat
Why do YOU feel the need to shove down the internet's throat your disgust of fiction? It's curious really how you don't notice this.
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@ClareLaBelle
@ultra_skeme_
I'd like to say that I'm not here to invalidate your experience.
Those "lolicon" who groom with it are actually child abusers that used what could affect you the best.
This can be puppy pics, candy, etc.
Don't hold anger at the material. Direct it to the groomer. It helps you.
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@GrecoBulgar
@KiSoulrient
@ritttas234
@Jukhalla
Basing on moral values instead of science is religious behavior, more precisely of the cultist variant. Hope this helps.
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@SquishyWooper
I'm not the one who typed "Pedophile rationalsing(sic) finding children's features attractive" towards fictional content, but you're open to think otherwise.
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@SquishyWooper
If you're not a pedophile (if I'm projecting), then why did you get so alarmed by the original post?
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@DannyBo45117566
@xXxHughJarsexXx
@Eliotthemaste
@kurokaze907
@khit_khat_kat
Actually, lemme bring the actual better comparison pic for you.
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@Burden_Existing
@Crystaltree7
@FictionAffects
@CookiMous
@RaiaMarcci
So all those in these pics aren't adults to you?
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@DannyBo45117566
@xXxHughJarsexXx
@Eliotthemaste
@kurokaze907
@khit_khat_kat
Never heard of humans having eyes like that. The human on the right doesn't have the same eyes, so what's up?
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@DannyBo45117566
@xXxHughJarsexXx
@Eliotthemaste
@kurokaze907
@khit_khat_kat
Etymological Fallacy. Try again.
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@Zaubertranker
@YurieAkko
@TaikoKnight
"lol", says the user who thinks pedophilia is diagnosed via drawings or looks, and not the correct and simple 'lusting over underage humans'.
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@iLikeKidzPop69
@AliceLovesL0lis
@egg_fucker72141
List some. Everyone with that claim flees after being asked to do so.
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@Legendary_colt
@AntisOTD
Tell me how these people are pedophiles with a source. That's a heavy claim to just do willy-nilly.
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@SquishyWooper
You're the one who sees a kid in it. Thus I correctly assume that you're a pedophile, because you saw a kid in a sexual manner.
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@egg_fucker72141
@AliceLovesL0lis
@Crystaltree7
So you're policing adults' behavior on the internet on material not deemed illegal? Why is that?
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@egg_fucker72141
@AliceLovesL0lis
@Crystaltree7
It's in US law (which Twitter abides by) that if you think something is CSEM, to not distribute it and to report where you found it instead. You distributed what you thought was CSEM. It's a crime.
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@45Anthei
@roxagenciana
@SophiePinkStar
@DominationIsKey
@SirMicheal8
(cont.)
It builds up self-esteem + the idea that the event wasn't their fault. The abuser is now a cartoon, so laugh at them failing. That kinda thought process.
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@Legendary_colt
@AntisOTD
The "minor" that is fiction. Fiction. Not reality. Fiction. The fictional character who is 15-21 years old but if I wanted I could say he's 25-31.
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@Luna_X9
@cdeesnutss
@mofumofukani
However, art therapy can be done and shared with friends, and that's sometimes the goal too. To have people help you out.
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@Braveknights4
@skyebatungbakal
Someone cosplayed Valentino from Hazbin and got super harassed irl recently for doing that.
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@x_skulleh
@Yoichiisbae
@skyebatungbakal
If you have CSA survivor friends, I wonder what their opinion of you is, now that you compared their experiences to cartoons.
You said "although it IS a major fucking red flag for pedophilia" earlier in the thread, after all.
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@Burden_Existing
@mofumofukani
First objection: Assuming the language it speaks is one you can understand.
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@SquishyWooper
Do you know what are the main signs one is a pedophile?
- Sexually arousing fantasies involving a prepubescent child (or, equal to or less than 13 years old).
- The person is impaired by the fantasies involving this child. (You are here, by your emotional distress in public.)
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@Heaven2Gaming
@princeofcuncun
You said women, so it's adults. Your argument dies right there.
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@jumin_black
@ZelSnea
@ParkRanger_17
It's not a case of minority or majority.
It's a case of people encountering a group of people they are ignorant about, and instead of being civilized, they slander them.
I think you're familiar with people calling you names because you're a kpopper stan, right?
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@NetchimenRevery
@Ser1fTheThird
@SkySumisu
Watch as people use loli bodysuits such as these to shoot down your whole argument.
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@Burden_Existing
@mofumofukani
@FictionAffects
@Crystaltree7
@CookiMous
@RaiaMarcci
I mean, there's people obsessed with fictional character ages, when in fiction that doesn't matter one bit.
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@Legendary_colt
@AntisOTD
Indeed, but that's talking about real life people, not fictional characters.
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@MedPocket_
@HiiragiiUtena
@LunarBuneary
@toxiclee_
It obviously is. Loli/shota art isn't for minors. Discussion about it, you shouldn't even be here. But that's twitter, making it easy for you to wander here.
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@WargreymonBalls
@leionthemage
@ItsClaptrap
@Rikaus22999
@AliceAlucardV4
Nowhere there does it say the words "minor", "real kid" or "real child".
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@GrecoBulgar
@KiSoulrient
@ritttas234
@Jukhalla
The thing is, instead of blocking people online you don't like, you go outside and do clown behavior like that sign that only has logic inside Twitter in a subset of people who did say that same sentence, who I'd hopefully think you don't want to associate with.
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