I'm launching a newsletter! If you'd like to stay in tune with valuations / trends driving public SaaS businesses please follow along! I'll also provide detailed earnings summaries. More to come-Looking forward to all of your feedback on Clouded Judgement
Cloud Giants Update:
AWS: $51B run rate growing 28% YoY
Azure: ~$29B run rate growing growing 48% YoY (estimate, exact numbers not disclosed)
Google Cloud: $15B run rate growing 47% YoY (includes GCP and GSuite)
Cloud markets are HUGE! So much innovation still to come
Median cloud software multiple is now at 5.6x forward rev. This is 50% below pre covid levels (Feb '20), and 15% below Covid lows (March '20). The lowest the median software multiple ever got post GFC was ~4x in early 2016
A lot of people are asking about who I include in my "Tier 1" SaaS names, so here it goes (this is similar to the set of "Secular Growth Stars" I wrote about in an article before Q2 earnings)
My Secular Growth Stars:
Crowdstrike, Datadog, Okta, Shopify, Twilio, Zoom
Some data / stats on AI related products at Microsoft. Real revenue!
Azure AI Services
- $5b run rate up 900% YoY
- 60k customers up 60% YoY
- Responsible for ~8% of overall Azure growth this Q
Developer Tools
- GitHub at $2b run rate (It was ~$1b in Sept '22)
- GitHub
AWS - Monster quarter. Accelerated growth to 40% (39% last quarter) and hit $71B run rate. 30% operating margin. This growth at that scale is incredible! Easily worth >$1T as a standalone company
Cloud markets are huge!
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AWS is at a $74B run rate growing 37% 🤯
Such an incredible business. Even with the pull back of software multiples recently I think AWS standalone would be worth >$1T
AWS is my favorite trillion dollar company hidden in plain sight
$64B run rate, growing 39% and accelerating! AWS has accelerated growth in 4 straight quarters. Can't believe a business this large is growing this fast
Digital Transformations from Covid are accelerating rev growth in SaaS businesses!! Not so fast...The change in YoY growth rates from Q1 to Q2 tells a different story. Data below shows the absolute change in %. Ex: Fastly grew 38% in Q1 and 62% in Q2 (difference is graphed, +24%)
Digital Transformation Reality Check: Not all SaaS companies have benefited from Covid! In fact, I'd argue only 3 (Zoom, Shopify, Fastly) have truly benefited. With Q2 earnings mostly under wraps, we can look at the absolute change in growth rates from Q2 - Q1
Net dollar retention is one of my favorite SaaS metrics. Here's how all the cloud companies preformed on this metric (those who reported). Elite companies have net dollar retention >130%
Cloud revenue is exploding. And the wild thing is, we're still in the early innings of cloud penetration. Crazy to think about the value that will be created over the next 5 years. The graph only captures public company rev. With private company data the slope would be steeper
Shopify with a BLOWOUT quarter. Do people still think their "multiple" is too high? 😀 $SHOP
- $714M rev (+97% YoY) vs $518M consensus
- $196M subscription rev (+28%)
- $518M merchant solutions rev (+148%)
- $30.1B GMV (+119%)
- New stores created (+71%)
- 53% GM
- 8% FCF Margin
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Cloud software multiples are now exactly where we were pre-covid (looking at overall median). This doesn't mean we can't go lower - nothing magical about pre-covid levels. In fact, they were historically high in Feb '20.
High growth multiples still 54% above pre-covid levels
Datadog has done an incredible job layering on additional products past their initial "wedge" to become a true platform - and they gave us some data on this today. As the market puts a greater emphasis on bundled platforms today vs point solutions, they appear to be an
AWS: $51B run rate growing 28% YoY. Incredibly impressive to maintain nearly 30% growth at this kind of scale.
Andy Jassy will transition into the CEO role at Amazon (Bezos to executive chairman). If you needed more evidence of the importance of AWS within Amazon you got it
Reflecting on digital transformations vs pull forward for cloud software over the long weekend - I think we've largely seen 3 different ways cloud software was affected by Covid:
1) Fake TAM creation
2) One time pull forward
3) Durable pull forward
Some great slides from the Crowdstrike investor briefing last week. A few call outs on what makes them such a great business, that others should aspire to:
1. TAM Expansion: The best businesses increase the size of the pie, not just their piece
Bifurcation of software multiples as seen on a scatter plot (multiple vs growth). Historically all software has traded within red circle. Now a separate group has broken out. Is it warranted? After Q4 earnings, I believe we'll see more separation of contenders from pretenders
I'm increasingly convinced the most exciting area to invest in over the next 10 years will be modern data infrastructure. So much innovation happening in the space! The number of impressive companies at the seed, Series A and Series B stage is staggering
YoY growth in quarterly net new ARR added has started to rebound in software (includes ~50 software companies who report ARR or who have a recurring revenue model who have reported Q3 so far)
Azure at a ~$74B run rate growing 28% constant currency
Quarterly YoY growth trends below. Also shown estimated growth ex AI services. Not all software co's have the AI accelerant Microsoft does!
In last 3 quarters AI Services run rate has gone ~$500m > ~$2B > ~$4B $MSFT
Here’s the challenge. The private markets are FULL of companies who were growing 50-100% at ~$100m of ARR. And the reality today is many of those are now growing <20% at $200-$300m ARR. TAMs were captured sooner and companies didn’t scale into their next product line, large
Agree entirely. Software companies can certainly go public with $150m in revenue. You just have to be willing to accept the market clearing price, which very well may be 6x revenue. And that’s really hard when private markets are valuing you at 30x. There’s a valuation airpocket
What should a public software company growing 100%+ at $250M+ ARR be worth (multiple)? There are very few companies to hit this. Im excluding companies that hit that growth only bc of covid. I believe that list includes Snowflake, SentinelOne, Zoom, Crowdstrike, Shopify, Workday
We've seen some extraordinary IPO pops recently (change in IPO price to day 1 price). nCino popped 195%, Agora popped 153%, Lemonade popped 139%, and ZoomInfo popped 62%.
Why is this happening? In my thread below I'll go over the basics of an IPO process and explain the pops 👇
This question comes up a lot, here’s my take.
High growth software companies today are trading at ~10x forward revenue overall median closer to 7x.
Many growth stage companies raised huge rounds in 2020/2021. Their balance sheet is loaded with 3-5+ years of runway. And even
A side-by-side comparison of Crowdstrike and SentinelOne. Showing both Crowdstrike's stats at IPO, and current. Crowdstrike went public in June '19 $CRWD $S
Trend in cloud software: Growth Durability 📈📈
Historically, many people have overestimated how quickly software companies would decelerate growth. below chart shows rough Datadog quarterly growth expectations at IPO (orange) and actual (blue)
Net retention is one of my favorite SaaS metrics. In Q4, the best companies had net retention >133%. This type of net retention generally signals a forward path of sustainable high growth
Stock Based Compensation (SBC) is a hidden cost in Non-GAAP financials of cloud software businesses. Incentivizing employees with equity over cash compensation increases future dilution while reducing short term cash outflows. Which companies "spend" the most on SBC? See below:
Next week kicks off the start of SaaS earnings season! Most SaaS companies with June quarter ends will report over a two week stretch, with a couple stragglers reporting after. If you'd like to follow along I've created a calendar below that shows when each company reports!
High growth software now trading at 8.2x forward rev. Overall median at 6.7x forward rev (same as covid low). The overall median is 15-25% below the long term median (depending on how you cut the data)
Microsoft over and over again on the earnings call: DEMAND FOR AZURE AI FAR OUTSTRIPPED SUPPLY
must have been said 10+ times. Theme of the call "we're capacity constrained"
On CapEx - will continue build out as long as demand signals persist, which as of now are very strong
Salesforce's acquisition of Mulesoft for $6.5B 3 years ago (May '18) was such a massive steal, and great strategic move.
In Q1 Salesforce announced Mulesoft contributed $380M in rev, growing 49% YoY. What would that business be worth today? $40B? $50B?
Put aside everything happening in the macro - the fundamental businesses of cloud software are as good as I can ever remember. AWS, Azure, GCP all crushing it. Qualtrics, ServiceNow, Atlassian, Bill monster quarters
Excited for the rest of Q4 earnings season!
Since July Shopify's share price is flat, yet their forward revenue multiple is down 33%. This is the epitome of growing into a multiple. With run ups like we've seen often the best case scenario is a horizontal grind while multiples retreat to more sustainable levels $SHOP
My biggest takeaway from Q3 cloud earnings? We REALLY saw cloud businesses ACCELEERATE. Since Covid began we heard anecdotal data of "digital transformations accelerating." But the data was never there. It is now. Data below shows the absolute change in rev growth % from Q3 to Q2
Two of the major cloud providers reported today:
Azure (Microsoft): ~$35B run rate, growing 45% YoY. Slight deceleration from last Q 46% growth
Google Cloud (includes GSuite): $19B run rate, growing 54% YoY. Last Q 46% growth (don't think this is constant currency)
Impressive
The vast majority of IT spend is still on prem, yet AWS, Azure and Google Cloud represent nearly $200B of run rate revenue growing 20% YoY🤯
Big reason I'm excited about the next 10 years of investing in software, and particularly infrastructure software
Software earnings season so far has shown us one thing: top-line re-acceleration is not right around the corner...It's actually the opposite - forward estimates are coming down, not up. More companies are missing forward guide this quarter (72%!) than any point in last 5 years
Is the software recession over?? Nice discussion from
@DavidSacks
. In the episode they looked at one of the charts I put together that showed net new ARR growth YoY finally picking back up.
I wanted to dig a little deeper on the data behind that chart, and show how net new ARR
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Some takeaways from Morgan Stanley's Q4 CIO survey
- Software has the highest growth expectations in IT
- Strong demand in software persisting (not simply pull forward in 2021)
- Cloud computing remains CIO's top priorities
- Security software most defensible
More graphs below
Satya on the Microsoft call today: "Every AI app starts with data and having a comprehensive data and analytics platform is more important than ever."
Furthering the message of you need a data strategy before you have an AI strategy. Need to hit step 1 before step 2
Couple interesting slides from the Coupa / Thoma Bravo acquisition deck.
1. Management projections for '23 (FY '24) are for 12% growth. Street consensus is 18%. A big debate right now is if forward estimates are too high. Coupa would suggest they are. Idiosyncratic or broader?
Alteryx just raised guidance for Q3 to $126M - $128M, up from previous guidance of $111M - $115M. Stock up 30% after hours.
Alteryx is now the second cloud business to raise expectations for Q3 ahead of earnings (Twilio did it last week).
Big earnings season on tap for cloud?
PEG is a popular metric that adjusts P/E multiples by dividing it by earnings growth. We can do something similar for SaaS companies EV/Rev multiple and their rev growth. This in theory "normalizes" each revenue multiple for growth. Below is a graph that shows EV/Rev/Growth (NTM)
Cloudflare vs Fastly
Currently Cloudflare trades at ~37x NTM revenue and Fastly trades at 28x NTM revenue (after their drop this week). Who deserves the higher multiple? Is the gap justifiable?
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Lots of SaaS IPO filings this week. If you're looking for some real profitability check out GoodRx who just filed today - >30% GAAP Operating Margins! Don't need to strip out stock based compensation to make them profitable :) $GDRX
Klaviyo built their business the old fashioned way - with capital efficient profits! Awesome to see a software company hit GAAP profitability before going public. They're rewarded with a top 10 software multiple today. Altimeter is excited to participate in the IPO $KVYO
Azure at a ~$81B run rate growing 30% constant currency
Quarterly YoY growth trends below. Also shown estimated growth ex AI services for last couple quarters. This quarter AI represented 8% of growth (7% last Q, 6% Q before, 3% Q before that, 1% Q before that) $MSFT
Microsoft just gave us a glimpse into what's to come for cloud earnings season. Azure revenue growth ACCELERATED to 48% YoY. Cloud adoption is picking back up. Accelerating at this scale is crazy. Last 4 Q's YoY Azure growth:
FQ3 '20: 61%
FQ4 '20: 50%
FQ1 '21: 47%
FQ2 '21: 48%
The median cloud software NTM revenue multiple is now 5.5x, which is a 5 year low. The last time the median multiple was lower was late 2016 early 2017. The covid low (March 2020) median multiple was 6.6x (20% higher than where we are now)
By far one of my favorite charts from the quarterly Morgan Stanley CIO survey: currently only 26% of application workloads are run in the cloud. This is expected to grow to 42% by the end of 2023. Still sooooo much room to run in cloud markets
Many people think we're in a SaaS bubble. I disagree. SaaS businesses will defy the law of large numbers and sustain high growth rates at scale, due to cloud penetration accelerating, growing into their high valuations quickly
My Q2 Earnings Preview:
Google Cloud (includes GSuite): $22B run rate, growing 44% YoY (maintaining impressive growth from last quarter of 45%).
Cloud giants reporting impressive results so far (Microsoft & Google). Amazon (AWS) reports Thursday