@ecutruin @LodeGhost @4everwalkalone @MillieCheesey @WilliamShatner You haven't been engaging in good faith at all. Stop using this Motte and baily fallacy. Like I already said, this is just an excuse to cut corners and do things cheaply and lazily

@ecutruin @LodeGhost @4everwalkalone @MillieCheesey @WilliamShatner Funny you talk about skill since I thought the whole defense of AI art was that it democratizes art and makes it available to everyone or something. But now suddenly there's a skill to hitting enter on a text box like a slot machine

@ecutruin @LodeGhost @4everwalkalone @MillieCheesey @WilliamShatner Like I said, what you are describing is a fallacy. I acknowledged there are ethical ways one could use AI. In 99.99999% of cases, that is not what happens. It's something like this.

@Christo18467331 @stone_toss @GPrime85 That's understandable. I still like his stuff too. BTW, in the political area, the left seems to already hate AI art, so if you have to talk to the right or want them to understand, try using the immigrant or H1B analogy and it's a safe bet they'll probably get it

@JonathanThornNC @DiscussingFilm Yeah, I have a friend from Arizona, and it's the same discussion

@JonathanThornNC @DiscussingFilm It's not even just the digital distribution aspect, but the subscription renting based model, that's the problem

@glizzy_mayo @dori_gogo12 @JohnRei18125194 @illustrevor The taping a banana art was done as a meta commentary about what qualifies as art. It's stupid, but that alone makes it qualify as art more than AI art. And also, yeah, more effort goes into the banana and tape then entering into an image prompt

@JohnRei18125194 @illustrevor Hitting enter on a prompt generator like a slot machine isn't something I'd typically describe as effort

@ecutruin @LodeGhost @4everwalkalone @MillieCheesey @WilliamShatner This is a motte and bailey fallacy. I am aware that there is a small 0.00001% of artists that use AI as an assistive tool in a small way. The vast majority of AI "artists" and worse, companies, just do it because it's cheap and easy

@4everwalkalone @MillieCheesey @WilliamShatner I literally have used Ai art tools before, and yes it is that simple. Just hit enter a few times until you get a result and say "Good enough"

@4everwalkalone @Deminted4eveR @WilliamShatner No. Ai is no different than tracing. And hitting enter on a prompt generator like a slot machine is not talent

@wilStrum @GPrime85 Yes, and back in the day, artists got commissioned and hired so everyone could enjoy it without the need to also be artists

@thundercats87 @GPrime85 I believe the copyright is making it so AI is not allowed to be copyrighted. Fingers crossed on that

@Lady_Clairebear @GPrime85 Not only that, but they get so mad when you use Glaze to protect your art from AI data miners. But god forbid China trains it's AI on GPT data

@danielgodfrey @GPrime85 My friend makes music and he and his friends hate AI music

@Steel_Accord91 @GPrime85 No, I've seen a lot of AI art guys claim to be real artists and be very smug about it while accusing other artists of being elitist

@DragonOnCoke @Gatomon41 @stone_toss They rarely do that. And even if they do, it's not the same. Hitting enter on a prompt generator like a slot machine is not the same thing

@Christo18467331 @stone_toss @GPrime85 And it's ironic because Stonetoss just a few months ago criticized the H1B visas because corpos can layoff people to replace them with cheaper work, but now that it's AI, which is just as bad, if not maybe worse, it's suddenly OK

@TheAceIsHigh @stone_toss @GPrime85 I feel like not enough people are talking about that. Sam Altman plagiarized the entire internet to make GPT, and then got mad when artists started using Glaze to protect their work from AI learning, but then China trained Deepseek on GPT's data and suddenly that's theft