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Unrecognizable. In no way was the representation of Sumeru as intricately thought out as with the other regions. We have been colorised, orientalized and sexualized once again.
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While we actually wear alot of beautiful jewelry! And we also have beautiful tribal tattoos, and Dihya herself is such a stunning figure to take refrence from.
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But thats when i heard al haitham an important arab figure whose name is now being occupied by a white buff man with a fandom who couldnt even pronounce his name right and call him habibi ? Ugh
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I love this game to death, the open world and its lore and the gameplay And ofc Kaeya was one of the major reasons I started playing. I've been playing the game like maybe a month since it was released. So, like the launch era (yes I take pride in that it was the best era).
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Dehya's name is inspired by Dihya, the name of an Amazigh Algerian military queen (Kahena). Quite the name to choose. The Imazighen (us North Africans) barely get any representation as it is. And when we do, we become drawn out as barbarians or savages. Which we are not.
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By exposing the belly it's Persian cloth becomes mixed with the Arab belly dancing outfit. If they want to sexualise her that badly then exposing the belly is the worst move- it erases the culture, it mixes with another, it sexualizes and orientalizes. It becomes a problem.
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Dori is the worst of all the characters. She is orientalized and sexualized. a fucking joke. She has no cultural aspects instead she is the spitting image of an carikature. We are being treated like a joke our cultures being spat on. (I have sm more to say but i maximized it pt2)
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But instead we get practically nothing. So we are speaking up. Yet there are people complaining against us saying that sexualization happens to every character. But Dehya is litteraly oversexualized on such a level that no cultural aspect is recognizable nor a point of interest.
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Stereotyping and racism are stated under orientalism. When we say it's racist, stereotyped, and so orientalized it is wrong, it should not be spread around as if it's nothing. It hurts to see and it's disrespectful. So we SWANA deserve just like the german, Chinese and Japanese
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Nilou, is an Persian dancer. Whilst having culturally accurate horns from the Sassanian period and a burst move from the gorgeous Persian dance. She has still been sexualized and orientalized. Dancers have always had their stomachs covered. Its culture, it's beautiful.
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After seeing these 3 beautifully represented cultures i was so naïvely excited for Sumeru. And thats expected right, i was rightfully excited to see the beautiful culture of the swana (southwest asia/north africa) being equally represented like the other three regions.
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Colourism, all characters until now are pale. Not denying it. We have in the swana region, people of all colours. If u are gonna represent characters from that region we expect different skin tones. To be recognizing oneself is an amazing experience. Honestly think about it!
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Tighnari, an amazigh name supposedly Moroccan. With ears from the fennec an animal from the western desert. Other than that his outfit and design is all over the place. In genshin they are more than capable of making modern day clothing mix with cultural themes.
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This is why i ask of the bare minimum. To analyze and take interest in the amazigh culture. So Dehya's design could be oh so much more elevated and still badass. Because we as well would love to see an actual amazigh badass cat warrior.
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Now what does Dehya look like huh? Yes she has been revealed to be some warrior with an wild and savage look. And as an amazigh i hoped to see at least a little of our beautiful culture. Yet i didint recognize any cultural aspects in comparison to any character in this game.
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So why are people still pressed? Aren't we supposed to break free from the stupid standard of "the pale is elevated." Not saying we can't have any pale characters. But with a region as broad as the swana region. There are bound to be some differences and that can't be ignored.
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When I got to liyue I was glued to the game, forever, I thought. This was china from a whole nother perspective for me as a Moroccan. And to see such an elegant (not heavily sexualized) character like Ninguang in that cutscene. Yo, I fell in love.
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But then the sumeru leaks dwindled along. I was super excited for sumeru, that was my downfall.
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Look im aware of the sexualization of female characters in games especially in gacha's. And its mostly the reason why i dont play alot of them. Yet in genshin its more mild and the design still upholds cultural aspects. Like with Inazuman characters;
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To be respected and upheld with the same input into our designated region. This game isin't so fictional anymore.
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(Listen i only heard her name and i was so excited to see my culture in this game i was jumping and ecstatic to see representation--- wait she is a cat girl warrior tf)
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To conclude, we want to have equal input into our region as there has been done with the previous three. We want people to see our beautiful cultures. And above all, we want to be respected. Yes, we cannot have everything, but it does not hurt to try.
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Now a major argument against anything related to the word orientalism had been "it's fictional".
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And it would be representing swana perfectly. It does not hurt it only embraces. That's why we are speaking up about this. Look I'm willing to wait, to take this back, the moment we get a broad set of people from different skin colours.
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And alot of Liyue characters;
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And you who are against this notion, you are not achieving freemogems out of this. You are not changing our minds. You are not the only one in the world. Broaden your perspectives. For the sake of an exceptional game.
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I learned alot trough this thread. Inazuma and Mondstadt are not perfect at all. Sexualisation and stereotyping are unforunatly still in place. But now that sumeru is still...in maintenance, lets shed a light on its issues !
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@I2i0t6
@timelysumeru
I'm glad u shared your opinion. This is a point where it becomes another matter. But exactly as u say the idea of "everyone in swana is the same" was what i saw. The mixing of cultures strengthens that idea. But following ur perspective there are several points to see from so ty!
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@interludewendy
I think a singular one would be best! Then there can be good focus on the game as on representing the culture.
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@zumo_____34211
@timelysumeru
I thank you for informing even more and adding onto the list! I can't believe i forgot about kusunali. She was another really dissapointing character!
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@albedoservices
I'm glad u took interest in my perspective! I as well had been really excited for sumeru and its characters. Like Cyno! I just hope we can get the word out to hyv themselves...
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@Madeeeeba
This! I found most of the arguments lacking as well, so i hoped with a little introspect of my perspective i could maybe change some perspectives and have some mindful discussions around the matter. So im glad!
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Nog steeds trots 🥹
since its the end of the year, what's your most popular art?
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The belly dancing wear aka the bedlah is traditionally egyptian! Yet that does not erase the fact that her design is mixing cultures and erasing persian traditions.
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@GhostLightOut
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This this oh this, the thing about genshin is that it gave us even more insight on japanese, german and chinese culture worldwide. So to have swana properly represented would be so great for every single player.
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I hated art class for that reason, limitations. Bruv let me draw my imazighen, i looked for any excuse to draw em back then
me when i am forced to draw something in art class that is not related to any of my hyperfixations
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You know now that i think about it. He is the first in the cycle. So since he is the very first to have to enter dungeons. He for sure has anxiety about it. Now for the other links they could feel used to it because of their past lives. Like a dejavu.
i love how ss link always takes a moment to mentally prepare himself for the next dungeon
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I so badly wanna commission
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Deze scene is vastgeroest in mijn breinnnn
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Le bled bruv le bled,
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deze ramadan is denk ik de eerste ramadan in wintertijden voor deze generatie
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@turnabouturmom
Same! I was excited asf to see a dihya inspired or kabyle inspired character but...
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She just like me fr
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@coomboots
In Nilou's case its mixing with egyptian culture erasing the persian one. Which is rooted in orientalism.
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His outfits weere sooo good in this movie
Let’s move on! But before posting more Punk or Pav’s things I’m gonna show you some stuff in the order that it came. One of my first assignments was also to explore the new
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Greaaat characters, greaat fights, is it deep, not really. But they went to le bled so >>
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@sumerumisc
And the treasure hoarders are probably just out to get their mf land back, and what were supposed to stop them ???
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@quibling2
I'm glad my point came across!! And yess, i heard of the rumors. Not sure how to feel about it yet.. i'll wait for more information i guess.
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Good times
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@soulofcindr
Omgodd i swear genshin is horrible for doing the mixing culture thing because its litteraly clashing. I was sure she was amazigh because of her jewelry.
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Oeuff it looks so goodd, debating if i should read the manga or the anime better
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2024’s eerste reality check, wanneer je bsf in een relatie is, is t beter geen moeite meer te doen om af te spreken.
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