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explains the absolutely dogshit takes i see on a regular basis lmao
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people who think modern lwj would dress at the height of fashion are so desperate to ignore the obvious reality that this man would own 7 of the same white button down shirt
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people see that scene where wwx refuses to buy a-yuan a toy as mean/strict but i've always read it as wwx subtly manipulating lwj into buying it instead so the kid would be less afraid of him, and it worked
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the way people interpret this passage is interesting to me because i've never read it as wwx rejecting/being in denial of his sexuality - to me it seems like he's still trying to protect lwj's reputation, which jc had just insulted
Wei WuXian raged, "HanGuang-Jun is only my friend—what do you think we are?! I warn you. Apologize right now—don’t make me beat you up!"
Hearing this, Lan WangJi's expression froze for an instant.
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not wholly sure why the fanon persists that gusu lan wasn't heavily involved in the siege of the burial mounds considering this bit in like, the beginning of the book
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I don't think wwx was annoying as a person when he was young, I think he was 15 with a crush he desperately wanted attention from and tried to aggressively befriend him. but he couldn't read lwjs' mind, and I think people hold that against him sometimes
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do you think wwx ever experiences something like a phantom limb sensation but it's his entire body? he goes to grab something and it's juuust out of reach, but it shouldn't be. it wasn't-- before. he looks at his hand. it's there, but it isn't. just like everything else.
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do people think mxtx chose to make wwx a son of a servant (whereas almost everyone else was born into the gentry) completely by accident. like there is an inherent power imbalance here and the novel definitely explores that. how do you miss this
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there is no denying this
every time cql lwj looks at wwx for more than 3 seconds it's clearly the expression of someone who wants to obliterate that twink
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twt can be hell but tumblr gives you more room for nonsense and boy do people make use of it
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i honestly think we should be bullying jgy more than we do with his audacity to go on and on about how much he personally suffered and "weh my dad sucked and my mom is dead" in a room full of people with shitty and/or dead parents. like what was that
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if you think his actions were somehow unjustified or coming from a place of intentional malice i just assume you're not going to do any better with any other piece of media out there
what's your favorite "media literacy check". like a character or event that, depending on someone's opinion on it, shows if they can be trusted interpreting media.
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the frequency at which wwx flips, spins, and taps his flute (often against his head) is an adhd stim and you can't change my mind
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a friend of a friend dislikes wx and stans su she hardcore and i have no idea how to talk to this person because clearly our evolutionary paths diverged a long time ago despite both of us being in mdzs hell. it's like how orcas are distantly related to cows
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jgy is a great villain because he has a moderate case of main character syndrome and has managed to convince a portion of the fandom that he is, indeed, the main character
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they're waiting on her to be transphobic so they have an "excuse" to be racist in response
call me crazy but i don’t think imane khelif has to be an activist for everyone to project their politics onto
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wwx actually does more than a handful of things like this throughout the novel and in general is very, very skilled at managing people's emotions and expectations. it's comparatively rare that he acts without thinking and you can see this even when he's a kid
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interesting how it's so common to judge wwx's character by how he behaved at his worst point, but god forbid anyone acknowledge certain other characters' consistent horrible actions towards the people around them
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wwx's relationship with wn is meant to be a sharp contrast to wwx's relationship with jc and i will die on this fucking hill
What I don’t understand about all the need for the “brotherly” reconciliation between jc and wwx is that any stage of that relationship and bond pales in comparison to the brotherly companionship wwx formed with wen ning 😭 like THAT is his little brother
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hey remember when the donghua gave us that heartwrenching joint hallucination/dream sequence with jl and wwx? no? here you go:
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does anyone else think about how jin zixun tried to clown on the lans at that banquet for not drinking and lxc just sat there and let that disrespect happen
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i don't think people quite grasp how important the core transfer is from a broader perspective because it's not just about saving jc's life, it's about preserving his pride and status as a cultivator and his position among the gentry. LP could not have a coreless leader
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it's genuinely so weird to me that people are bothered by wwx being taken care of by lwj. it's not as if this is not reciprocal in various ways either. what is the problem here??
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he literally would not have survived without the core transplant and yet jc stans get hung up on "medical consent" with this like be fr
did ppl forget jc was on the verge of killing himself cuz he was coreless
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wwx will tolerate all manner of insults thrown his way but insulting lwj is crossing the line. it's very telling that he usually takes jc's shit but this is the instance in which he actually gets angry
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if he's being annoying, there's usually a point to it. like he enrages lqr to the point where he kicks him out of class, which suited wwx just fine because he didn't want to be in there anyway
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(it makes lwj's reaction even more painful because wwx is genuinely trying to protect him out of kindness and love and inadvertently hurts him instead)
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lwj by default is more emotionally-driven than wwx is. he is full of feelings and it's so much for him to manage as a teenager and seemingly at odds with a lot of lan principles, and lwj as a kid was all about the rules. he genuinely feels for people in need though, and this is +
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fem lwj would suffer so much. she'd be constantly told that she'd look better if she smiled, that she's too quiet, too serious, that men are afraid to approach her and if only she were as good-natured as her brother. why is she so dour. doesn't she want to get married someday?
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saw some headcanons about jc as yllz last night and almost cried laughing bc my man would just not survive the burial mounds. he'd off himself before anything else could get to him out of pure humilation. the pride is strong and the survival instincts are not in this case
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no one in the novel is meaner to him personally than his own damn mother
I’ve seen so many jc stans defend yzy and I don’t understand why like she is half the reason why jc is so unhappy 😭
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@hauntpro
the first time wwx goes through his closet and discovers lwj owns more than one pair of khakis (five) he almost passes out
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i find the differences between lwj and lxc intriguing because the former is kind but not necessarily nice, whereas the latter is nice but not necessarily kind
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hot take and donghua plot holes aside, wx not going back to cr and instead having their own house in the woods where wwx isnt alienated and they can fuck nasty every night in peace >>>>>>>>
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this is the scene right after wwx, jc, and their shidi have all been shooting kites down, but wwx takes sole blame for it. interestingly, he's willing to tolerate that but not the insult to his skills, so it's definitely not a low self-worth thing!
wwx very consistently takes the fall for other people because he's been forced into that role and I don't think we talk about that specifically nearly enough
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i think my favorite criticism of wangxian at the end of the novel is that they don't care about the cultivation world because it completely falls apart when you point out they have every right to abstain from the politics of it
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it's a sensation he remembers well, although not entirely the same, since his golden core was /gone/ and not replaced. there's a 'lack' of something, but it's not quite the gnawing emptiness that had become his constant companion back then. odd, yes, but bearable by comparison.
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the basis for a lot of his decisions, which ultimately creates distance between him and the rest of the cultivation world, where appearances, pride, and social standing are everything. the tension between his passion and The Rules is the basis for his character arc. he +
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mdzs fandom wakes up and is like i gotta defend child abuse again
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a sympathy ploy obviously but my dude you could have been a little more inspired here
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say what you want about the mdzs donghua but notice how we don't have "donghua onlies"
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(I also think the aggressive befriending is probably related to the adhd but that's another conversation)
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refusing to tag certain elements in your fic essentially just says, "i have no respect for other people's boundaries and am going to force them to see what i want them to see because i value my preferences over someone else's comfort or safety," and makes you an ass
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wwx very consistently takes the fall for other people because he's been forced into that role and I don't think we talk about that specifically nearly enough
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i can handle a lot of bad takes but if you defend yzy there's no helping you. i don't even care if it's one of those situations where you were raised a certain way and defend her on that basis - if you can't understand why whipping a child is wrong then you're a terrible person
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perhaps this body will become the same, but for now, sizhui is waiting for him outside. this is more important. it always will be.
he stands on his toes and grabs the scroll.
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my takeaway from most mdzs "meta" is that there are certain people who really, REALLY need wwx to be the villain in every situation
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every time cql lwj looks at wwx for more than 3 seconds it's clearly the expression of someone who wants to obliterate that twink
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mdzs fandom does nhs so dirty. either people diminish his intelligence or pair him with jc and i'm sorry but no, nhs is a man of taste and he simply Would Not
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contrast this to fem wwx who is gregarious, energetic, always poking fun at people but always with a smile. but it's said she's too opinionated, doesn't know her place, and you need to keep an eye on her around your sons
fem lwj would suffer so much. she'd be constantly told that she'd look better if she smiled, that she's too quiet, too serious, that men are afraid to approach her and if only she were as good-natured as her brother. why is she so dour. doesn't she want to get married someday?
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it's odd, but he considers himself lucky. it could hurt, like his left ankle does in the winter. it could keep him up at night, like dreams occasionally do. sometimes this body feels dreamlike. less substantial. it's difficult to keep weight on it. lz says he needs to eat more--
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i actually really do love this element of the story as heartbreaking for wwx as it is and i get annoyed when people act like this was done to spite jc somehow because it's the absolute opposite
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i've said this before but mdzs fandom remains an interesting study of people's relationship to authority figures and various social power structures. i just hope many eventually learn that being a bootlicker isn't a good thing lmao
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centering the whole situation with colonizerji on your dislike of "darkji" and dark fiction is so fandombrained like can you PLEASE focus on what matters here and what matters is the racism
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"you'd never survive during fanfiction[.]net days" i survived and i still want you to tag your fics you ineffable jackasses
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unironically love mxtx for giving us no physical description for wwx at all other than "he's hot with a fat ass"
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this is why I'm super sus of people who think radical feminism is redeemable if you just somehow excise the transphobia. this shit is rotten from the roots
A key thing people need to understand is that Radfems aren't JUST about being anti-trans.
They believe:
+Women don't know what's best for themselves including sexually
+Gender Essentialism = Woman ALWAYS Good👼, Man ALWAYS Bad👿
+Porn corrupts the mind
+Have no Intersectionality
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the fact that wwx doesn't get fisted at any point in the extras is a hate crime against me personally
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i think a lot of discourse comes down to the fact that: half of this fandom is super mad that wwx and lwj are all-around decent people, meanwhile their favs are fundamentally not, and there's really no way to argue in their favor, so they just mischaracterize *everyone* instead
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admittedly i don't like a lot of mdzs fic because it doesn't make wwx intelligent or astute enough
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i wouldn't say fandom has mainstreamed but i'm really not fond of the "sometimes the curtains are just blue" crowd just because they're *actively hostile* towards a deeper reading of the media they claim to love, as well as the people who want to examine it more closely
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no but. lwj as lawful top and wwx as chaotic bottom. do you get me
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fem lwj: /reading a book, minding her own damn business but nods politely when addressed
men, in secret: god what a bitch
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he finds himself laughing at the irony of it all, and only realizes when sizhui calls out to him, confused. the library comes back into focus around him, with its smell of ink and wood. the old one had burned. it's not what he remembers, but this, too, is home to him.
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but that's off topic.
he's lucky in this life, but he can't shake the feeling of something missing no matter how hard he tries. it is, he supposes, something to live with. to be at home with. everyone has their ghosts, after all. it's just that his loudest one is himself.
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doesn't actually care how people perceive him and wouldn't know where to begin changing that anyway
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i said this before and i will stand by this: life on their own and away from the cultivation world at large >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all other endings
in the novel lwj and wwx live in cloud recesses, in cql they make wangxian parted. In the donghua they gave wangxian their own cottage. like I'm gonna cry they gave my babies they own cottage. they really live happily ever after away from the cultivation world
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re: current discourse, no offense y'all but you're quoting canon at people who fundamentally dislike and ignore canon. the shit's not going to do anything and you're better off blocking and not engaging with this "let men be masculine" ass dialogue
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if you hate wwx then quite frankly i just think you're an idiot
everyone is allowed to hate characters, but there are some characters who just make me think you’re a red flag if you hate them
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i wonder what other ppl read when wwx said "i bully you during the day and you bully me at night" because this is an accurate summation of wangxian's core dynamic lmao
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i think cql!lwj stans hate novel!lwj because he's actually a decent person
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imagine wangxian with a daughter. you'd think wwx would be the one spoiling her rotten but no. in lwj's eyes she has never done anything wrong, ever, in her life
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one last point re: jgy, i have a hard time feeling bad for someone who killed and manipulated his way into a position he felt he deserved just because his father was already in it. at the end of the day it wasn't even revenge, just entitlement 🤷
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i could go on and on about this but he acts very deliberately and it's notable when he doesn't (this is only under EXTREME duress). meanwhile:
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@hauntpro
he had so been looking forward to The Boyfriend Hoodie thing but lwj owns precisely one and it's white
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the frequency and ease at which certain people throw around pedophile accusations is REALLY disturbing to me because it's like they're weaponizing how serious an accusation this is against literally anything they don't like. deranged af behavior
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not nearly enough fics of wwx sucking lwj's dick considering that's the first thing he does when everything is over and they're finally alone
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where's that bit of an interview with mxtx where she's baffled that the fandom thinks lxc is smart. did I dream this
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wwx is actually such a sweet person so it's confusing to me when people in the fandom seem to dislike him so passionately
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there's no point to this thread and i notice twitter broke it and put things out of order, i'm just putting my thoughts out there
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mdzs fandom makes sense when you get that people skipped the extras bc those are essentially the themes of the book, but spoonfed to you in case you missed it the first time. i missed a couple things in my initial reading, but the extras hammered them in. please read the extras
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if you haven't seen it yet:
where's that bit of an interview with mxtx where she's baffled that the fandom thinks lxc is smart. did I dream this
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people who refer to wn and wq as wwx's family I am kissing you on the mouth rn
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