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A thread 𧡠about all of my threads.
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My problem with MHA's female cast. -a thread π§΅
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The dichotomy of Hawks and Ochako . A thread π§΅
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Why we need an Ochako and Hawks talk before the manga ends - a thread π§΅
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Ochako time skip Headcanons πͺβ¨π. -A thread π§΅
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Izuku and Ochako:.Two threads running in parallel . A thread π§΅
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2) Sexualization.It has to be borderline misogynistic. I simply hate how most female characters in MHA are an object of sex appeal, especially at the beginning (looking at you Mt Lady, Midnight, Momo) like why?
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1) Momo Yaoyorozu.My problem with Momo is her background. Yes, her non-existent parents and her own motive to become a hero. We don't know it cause we are never shown? All we know is that she comes from a rich bg and that's that.
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And Momo? Why is her costume so revealing? . If a costume can be prepared for Mirio (whose quirk literally allows him to pass through anything) then why not Momo? . It's kinda funny that her future version, at least has her chest fully covered (when it was her last appearance).
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3) Nejire Hado.A member of Big 3 along with Mirio and Tamaki but what was her role? What was her story? . It still pisses me off so much that during Overhaul arc, we had detailed backstories of both Tamaki and Mirio, then why was Nejire only left out?
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She focuses on mental health and often visits universities to give lectures about it. She is helping the new generation to be more open about their quirks. She is often asked 'what inspired her?' and she replies 'it was a girl with the cutest smile in the whole world'.
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It kinda bothers me that there are so few female heroes and hero students and even that too are used for sex appeal. Also don't even get me started on Midnight, like how is this even allowed at the hero school?
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Remember that episode with Saiko Intelli where Momo, Tsuyu etc pass the provisional hero license exam? . It was an ANIME ORIGINAL ep because in the manga, it was never shown how they passed. Same with the final arc, we have Momo fighting Twice clones at the end and that was it.
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My problem is that even though we are shown her growth, it feels hollow when we don't even know what she's even working on. Compare it to Iida who got an entire arc about his brother and Saving and that arc became his drive forward.
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Being rich is basically her second quirk because that's all we know about her. Even when we visit her ultra big mansion, we never meet her parents or go in depth with her own motives. Like why do you wanna become a hero? What kind of a hero do you wanna become?
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Even when Momo got her own RISING chapter, it was still nowhere compared to Iida's arc. Like, they're both class presidents and she's also one of the recommended students along with Todoroki and yet when we compare her arc with Todoroki or even Iida, it feels very incomplete.
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Ochako has her own hero agency now where she laid the foundation of her new 'Quirk Counselling Expansion Project'. And when she was thinking of starting that agency a lot of class 1a members came together to support her without even having to ask.
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Again and again it feels like only female characters get the short end of the stick. Most anime original episodes are for highlighting the female cast, eg Tsuyu's internship, Momo and team vs Saiko, Ochako and Tsuyu's work studies etc were all anime original episodes.
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Like what was the point? . You have two characters with such amazing quirks and you decide to sideline them not just for an arc but for the entire series? . Then why all the build-up? . Why have her up there as a part of the big 3 when her highlight was winning a beauty pageant?!
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Fun fact: In manga, chapter 248 cover shows Team Ryukyu going on a mission but the anime staff decided to make an entire episode out of it. Yes, it's the ep where Ochako lifts an entire seaplane. Other characters like Selkie and Sirius were also added to the manga later on.
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But credits where they are due: . I really appreciate Horikoshi for making women with different body types and not your typical hourglass figure you see everywhere. Women in MHA are skinny, chubby, might have some muscle and overall have a wide range which is really amazing!
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While Mirio and Tamaki were out there fighting to save a little girl, Nejire and Ryukyu's team got the treatment worse than that of a side characters. They just appear at the beginning and Horikoshi kinda forgets about them till they appear again at the very end.
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I would also give him credits for creating characters like Ochako, Toga, Jiro and Lady Nagant etc that have great storylines and character arcs. I love the TogaChako plotline and I love how Jiro is a rockstar. These are some of the characters that make MHA so damn memorable!
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They have gotten a lot closer ever since they found her on the cliff that day. Everyone always makes sure that she's not alone, especially Tsu, Momo and Iida, which is why when she came up with the idea of expanding the 'Quirk Counselling', they joined her without a 2nd thought.
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After years of training and quirk awakening, Ochako can now control gravity on a molecular level. Water Lock: She can lift objects like water molecules and uses Water Spheres to trap her opponents. She often teams up with Mina and they have their combo move called Zero Acids.
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Honorable mention : Toru Hagakure.Now she herself is not a problem but rather how she is depicted. Remember this chapter cover? . It's a minor. Mirio's costume was made by his own hair that makes his costume also pass through stuff then why can't the same tech be used for her?
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Like, I've been waiting for their conversation for centuries! Like these two definitely need to talk. Ochako managed to do something that Hawks couldn't do. Toga and Twice both were really nice people, it's just their quirks led them to despair and they both realised this.
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Hawks keeps on pestering Ochako to join HPSC, which she jokingly declines all the time but they are besties and they hang out all the time.
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So now that MHA has finally reached its conclusion, a fair assessment of its female cast can be done. We will look at the characters from the entire story's POV and it's a problem with how they are written more than anything else, so let's dive into it!.
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My main problem is that there were many female characters who have cool designs and quirks but they were never explored or fleshed out properly reducing them to mere 1 D characters.
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I know there are other male minor characters too that don't get that much screentime but at least they are treated with more respect when compared to the female characters of this show. It's quite a shame.
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Due to her 'Quirk Counselling Expansion Project' she is a lot more known among the people, and hence surprisingly high in the popularity rankings. She often appears in commercials as an angel and the general public has the exact image in their minds.
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Mirko, the No 5 hero:.Her personality is her bunny aesthetic and fight scenes and that's that?. AM, Endeavour and Hawks have their own separate storylines. Even Best Jeanist has his scenes as Bakugo's mentor and fighter and then you have mirko. She's powerful and that's it.
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One of the most known Ochako moves is Gravity shield where she makes an invisible Zero Gravity force field that is so strong that it can even stop bullets!
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Hawks didn't wanna kill Jin Bubaigawara but he did because in his way, he was trying to be a hero, so he brutally killed his own friend but then what kind of hero does that? In MHA, there's a very thin line between heroes and villains and that has been pointed out several times.
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Maybe that's one of the reasons why the highest ranking female character in the last poll was Ochako, and that too at no 9 spot. Before that she was no 10 and before that, for two polls back to back, no female characters made it to the top 10. It sucks but it's the truth.
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I've said it many times before and I'll say it again. "Ochako is what Hawks could have been and even more". The parallels between Ochako and Hawks might go unnoticed by a lot of people but they are more similar than you think and even their respective battles are a direct link+.
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Although she hasn't made it public yet (on purpose) as it always catches villains off guard, when they launch bullets but they're stopped mid air.
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Exactly! She does wear girly clothes when she gets a chance and the only reason she doesn't wear them often is because she was poor. THAT'S THE ENTIRE REASON WHY SHE'S ONLY WEARING THEM IN OFFICIAL ARTS!! AND BORROWED IN CANNON!!!
βShe doesnβt wear girly clothesβ. MAYBE BECAUSE SHE COULDNT AFFORD IT???? DO YOU KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE GIRL CLOTHES CAN BE???.
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I find it very amazing, just how much Ochako's friends adore her and think of her during their tough moments. Be it Iida, Tsu or even Deku, her morals, her thoughts resonate through the entire battlefield. (A mini thread π§΅)
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Even with Ochako and Toga. Remember when Toga told Ochako how she used Ochako's quirk to kill a bunch of people during their 2nd battle? Ochako was horrified. The same quirk that Ochako uses to make everyone's problems weightless quite literally was used to kill people.
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Nobody:.Literally nobody:.Horikoshi: Ochako is the prettiest girl in class 1a
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End of the thread 𧡠.Thank you for reading π .Congratulations if you made it this far π . ~Please remember that these are just my opinions, feel free to share yours but in a respectful way~
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to that. Let's start from the start:. Hawks kept on saying that Jin was a nice guy and he didn't wanna kill him and yet when the time came, he murdered him mercilessly. Twice trusted him a lot, as a friend because he thought Hawks was just like him and that caused him his life.
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Horikoshi loves to draw parallels between certain characters and their storylines and one such beautiful parallel is this. when later on Ochako notices Toga's tears in the final battle.
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Ochako on the other hand, always held Toga accountable for her actions be it their 2nd battle in the 1st war or their 3rd battle. "I can't pretend that you haven't killed people on purpose". Much like how Shouto called out Dabi in their battle.
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"She loved seeing people happy. So of course she zeroed in on her tears". Beautiful narration, amazing storytelling. It is a way for us as readers to tell that Ochako has now grown, as she is now seeing Toga as a person, not as a villain, just as a person who was sad and crying.
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Plus even their covers are a big parallel. So with all that being said, if Ochako and Hawks didn't have a conversation before this manga ends, it would really be such a missed opportunity and quite a shame. ~End of the thread π§΅
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I could be wrong though, there are a lot of reasons that makes a character popular. They could appear for like 2 chapters and still be really likeable and popular. That again is an example of how writing affects a character's popularity.
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Ochako and Toga are very similar. They're both very cute and shy, they love to tie their hair up in buns, and even love the same boy which is why when Ochako wasn't able to empathize with Toga, she was hurt because she thought at least chako would understand.
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PS: It is one of the reasons I think this battle is the heart of MHA. It solves one of the biggest conflicts in MHA. It is a tie that binds Ochako, Hawks, Twice, Toga, Dabi and Shouto together.
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Which is why I said that Ochako passed where Hawks failed. Both Toga and Twice died, but at least Toga died smiling, happily to save someone she loved. Twice died to save his comrades while Toga sacrificed herself to save Ochako, an act of true love by the so-called villains.
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"Our dad was a madman and our family was screwed up. But when you burned those people to their death, that was your choice". And this is one of the biggest differences b/w the new generation of heroes and the old one. They are willing to look at both the bad and empathetic side.
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Like it's outright stated for us in the manga, so I don't understand people who think Ochako never got any character development because this is exactly where she differs from Hawks ideology.
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I think it is one of the reasons why Horikoshi has drawn Toga countless times in her school uniform, specifically UA's uniform.
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Hawks was able to sacrifice Twice for the greater good, even if he himself regretted it later. The Public Safety Hero commission must have made him do other terrible things as well and he might have killed some more villains in secret just like Nagant.
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Even with Deku during his battle with Shigaraki, he saw the human inside of Shigaraki, a little crying boy, a very lonely person inside of him. And that extends to Tsu who admits to Toga that killing her just like Hawks suggested would have been much easier but her friend has +
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We can cut him some slack though cause he was just following the orders, but then so did Ochako. Plus, Hawks had a chance to correct his mistake and yet when Twice (actually Toga) appeared in the battlefield again, his first instinct was to kill him.
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And he even remembered her in the later battle.
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Speaking of which she was the last thing that came to Hawks' mind before passing out. Meaning her speech left a lasting impact even on him.
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And this needs to be addressed. Plus there has been too much of a teaser about it. Hawks witnessed the impact of Ochako's speech in ch 325.
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MHA is not a story about killing people for greater good. We've seen in the latest chapter how both Dabi and Endeavour survived the war and while Dabi would live for only some time, he would have some moments of peace with his father. They can at least try to heal what was broken
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Like it's even outright stated for us in the manga. "Ochako you didn't pretend everything was fine. It was painful for me but I'm glad you reached out to me". And it makes this tragedy of TogaChako much much sadder.
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Killing twice was definitely not a good idea cause his will continued within Toga. She took her revenge and killed so many heroes on the same battlefield. As long as their despair and sadness is not confronted, the problem is not yet solved. We've seen it with Toga and Shigaraki.
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With the thought of everything they could have been. Because just like heroes, people like Toga and Twice deserved much more happiness in their lives. They were unfortunate because of their quirk and yet they were treated like a threat to the society.
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Hawks also regretted killing Twice but he did it anyway. Ochako on the other hand, couldn't ignore Toga's tears and she found a much better way. And that is the dichotomy of Hawks and Ochako. <End of the thread π§΅>. ~Thank you for reading~
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chosen the harder path and is trying to confront you, so can you please listen to her?". Ochako has a lot of impact on the people around her, be it her positive mental attitude or her empathy regarding the villains. Even Iida remembered her words during the final battle!
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And this is what a true hero means. In MHA, there is a very thin line b/w heroes and villains. During Hawks vs Twice, he even says that you people are no heroes. "You throw us to the wolves. All of us down trodden folks". Because Hawks pretended they were friends!
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So many layers and so many parallels in this one single battle!. One thing to note here is that by the end of their battles Twice concludes that Hawks is not a hero but Toga thought of Ochako as a true hero. The so-called villains decided who the true hero is in their story.
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MHA is not about killing people. It doesn't support killing villains for greater good. It doesn't solve anything!. Twice dying just added fuel to Toga's fire, until she was directly confronted by Ochako.
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Both battles were a tragedy and yet somehow TogaChako feels so much more complete. So many feelings, so many raw emotions in this one battle. Ochako knew she could not replace the league of villains and yet she wanted Toga to know how amazing her smile isβ€οΈ
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You don't backstab people you consider as friends. Hawks might be the No2 hero to the society but for people like Toga and spinner, he was just a murderer who killed her best friend. Which is what makes the battle of Ochako and Toga so much more interesting!
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Which is what defines the end of both battles. Like I've said before, Toga and Twice both died but at least Toga died on her own will. She sacrificed herself to save someone she loved, because she thought a world with Ochako would be incomplete.
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Another interesting thing to note here is that while Hawks was battling Twice, he wasn't hurt. Not a single scratch on his body. While during OchakovsToga, Ochako was all bloodied and bruised and Toga was completely all right. Because Ochako deliberately chose to not hurt Toga.
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"My Zero Gravity is not for hurting people" . Ochako proved to Toga that opponents can be taken down, without dropping them dead, just like how she proved to Hawks, that villains can be dealt with in another way.
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To point out the very fact that if they have been treated with much more empathy from the very beginning, they wouldn't have been in that bad condition they were put through. Toga could have been studying in UA much like Ochako and Twice would have been working for heroes.
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In the above pages you can even see how villainous Hawks looks. It was done on purpose. This is exactly how Hawks looked like to Twice. It was from Twice's pov. To him Hawks was a person, a friend whom he thought was nice but unfortunate just like him.
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Now that the MHA manga is about to come to an end, my only nitpick would be not getting more of Ochako and Bakugo moments.
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#MHA356 #Ochakouraraka.I don't think IzuOcha is the endgame. look, we're already in the endgame of MHA and with how Horikoshi has literally been speedruning all of the arcs since Villain Hunt, we should have gotten a confession by now, that is if it was ever meant to happen.
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I still remember people calling her useless, saying what is she gonna do against the big boys etc etc when she literally ended up saving everyone directly or indirectly on that same battlefield!.
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Pov: You are Izuku Midoriya
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@amaranthdahlia Tiny detail: Ochako's hair color is kinda Orangish in the manga but it is brown in the anime.
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Also Ochako
drawing ochako is so hard because i start designing a cute outfit and then remember she dresses like a gymbro lesbian.
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Because we've seen from the very start that he's not some dumb dense MC that has no Emotional Quotient. Being a very sensitive person himself, he is very aware of what others are feeling, be it Iida, Shouto or even Bakugo. However in their case his feelings are more pronounced.
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Uravity there changing lives!
Next we see that the Ingenium, Froppy, Creati and Uravity team is visiting schools all over the country and that the quirk counseling expansion project created by Uraraka is considered one of the most essential aspects of today's society #MHA430.
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Everything you need to know about MHA'S GLOBAL POPULARITY POLL . -a thread 𧡠. (with voting link) #MHA
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And by how perceptive he is, I really mean how perceptive he is when it comes to Ochako.
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Can we all agree that Ochako's speech and the TogaChako fight were some of the most emotional moments of MHA?
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But when it comes to Ochako, they are subtle and you need to read behind the lines. But when you look deeply he has always been very perceptive about Ochako. Remember, he went to check up on her after she lost her battle? Even at that time, he could tell something was off.
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The next instance comes during the pro hero exam when he realised that the person he was saving was not in fact Ochako! And that goes to show you how closely he's been observing her. We've never seen him make notes about her, but he already knew so much!
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Because Toga copied Ochako from head to toe and yet Deku could tell it wasn't the real one because the real one is smarter and strategic and she wouldn't risk revealing herself to the enemy without a solid plan. Goes to show you how much faith he has on her.
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And as the series goes on, they start having less one-on-one conversations as important stuff comes up but whenever they had their little scenes, they were always gold. Like, look at this entire conversation++
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