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@catturd2 This - or to the part where we do anything about it. Congress cut funding - anything from anyone not in Trump's cabinet maybe?

They could do what other people do when they hate their boss or work conditions.. Find a new job. Is the news, social media, etc just being played up around government employees? So many posts point to an odd level of entitlement. An annoyance at things people with jobs always had to deal with.

@catturd2 "Not during the civil war?" Ha - was the point he wanted to make just not strong enough - he needed to throw in a massive historical event he couldn't have possibly been a government employee during? Doing things like this will always undermine any validity in your argument.

@CynicalPublius Idk if every person doing is - I think some just believe the grift of other. But, yea it is sus at this point someone should definitely take a look.

I'm not saying you can know if everything is inefficient, that may be hubristic - but I don't think to say you can recognize some inefficiencies on day one is. In notice them as an outsider to the system. I feel that you insisting that it is not possible is you being specifically obtuse for your argument's sake- particularly in known inefficient environments -to the point that it is a common cliche. I mean people very commonly joke something is "ran like a government project" to imply it is run inefficiently. Surely you have heard this? I agree Congress has failed to do its job for a long time. And presidents have executed (as part of the executive branch) poorly in this regard- including Trump. They have given it over to unelected bureaucrats. This seems like a good attempt at correcting this from the executive side of things - I would prefer for congress to see this as a wake up and address the problem. They won't. Maybe someone that disagrees with Trump, but has a distain of waste and inefficiencies, will step up as a voice for the other side.

You can certainly find *some* inefficiencies day one at almost any company - particularly large ones (not to mention the federal government ffs) Have you never started a job and on day one seen an inefficient process? Also, this is not even day one. And also a lot of information is publicly available and could have been looked at even last year. I can agree that it would be ideal to have someone like that - but who would that possibly be? I might have l argued Elon could have even been that a couple of years ago before he went in on Trump. But I'd even be open to a Democrat - if one existed that was focused on vetting and correcting what this may be uncovering over who is discovering it (or at least both) Congress, both sides, has no desire to correct any of this. Also, we are starved for progress in this domain - the country's debt is extraordinary and growing out of control - the status quo is not working.

@RarelyTolerated I support it because it's clear so many were improperly managed remotely. It got out of hand. That said - I don't think that remote work is immoral,as Elon does. I also think remote work could work in government. If they had managed it well, this wouldn't be an issue.

This. You may (not be immoral (likely not), you may be extraordinary and doing as well of a job as anyone in any private sector job, you may even care deeply about the impact you make to individuals from that position. But *most* federal jobs - yet certainly not all - are harmful in their existence as they should not be shouldered by the tax payers and they limit competition in private sectors that would grow/improve our country and opportunities. You took a job and did it - well or poorly - the job shouldn't have been, that's not necessarily your fault. When/if it is correctly removed from the government job books - it is not an individual attack on you either.

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@SenWarren I see these may be just for celebration, I was incorrect in my magnitude of disagreement. I still don't think we can make individualized emotions decisions about things like this.

@SaveAslave Ok, that is relatively fair - who does both the left and right trust?

I didn't say the audit would be finished, I said I doubt it takes a day to find inefficiencies. But I guess argue against the point you wish I was making? We can agree Congress doesn't do their job tho - left or right. Here is a quick small example of npr raising questions of waste in the government. Even if this is as untrue as you believe Elon's to be - It is hardly a partisan issue, nor should it be.

I don't think it is necessarily true that they are operating outside of any checks and balances, but I understand you do. They are operating under the executive branch's powers - something we will both get the answers on soon enough via the courts. But, clearly existing audit processes aren't getting the job done. I guess where I stand is I would at least like to hear the left's solutions to this - not just the hating of the rights current process. Well, and a bigger focus on the waste/inefficiencies rather than the process of discovering them.

There is something very creepy/predatory about this. This is a terrible way to measure this. I guess they are old enough to get married at that age too? Old enough to consent? I know this probably isn't the post to ask - but are there any democrats here with an opinion/defense on this? I think we need to hear from normal dem voters on this.

If everything in your post was 100% true. I think we have to come to the conclusion these inspector generals have done an exceedingly terrible job. One thing voters of all types do all often agree on - government is not efficiently run. And fraud is reported in news of both sides routinely. 🤷 Do you think they have done a great job?

I don't think it takes mere days, I think it probably takes barely hours to find inefficiencies - they are plentiful in government even without special access. Take covid funds as an easy example - it is well established by both sides and media of all types that funds were distributed to people that didn't qualify for them etc Even if some claims made by Elon are not true at this point - your stance is what exactly? That fraud and inefficiencies are not prevalent in the US government. That previous audits have found and addressed them? Ha

@SenAdamSchiff Where were you while Biden ignored court decisions?

@catturd2 I think it will be ok this year, they've never had to fight this hard before.

@PressSec Nice to see more voices with different opinions here. We were basically to the point we could cut the charade and just have the Biden administration put out their own news stories directly - no reporting or journalism was happening.