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~ INTP Carat Biggest Jeonghan stan Jeongcheolist POV: you're a stranger on the internet. So what do you expect to see here 🤔
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‧˚₊ Seventeen MBTI profiles .⠀ ☼ ☼☼ — A thread.Aka my attempt at typing the members. ⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀ ⠀ ｡ ⠀ ｡ ⠀ ｡ ⠀.#svtmbti .@pledis_17 #세븐틴
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I was re-watching @pledis_17 appearance on "Goblin who steals wisdom" and I was once again so impressed with the conversation around the contract renewal. Since it's the anniversary, I made a small thread about what they mentioned were the key factors in them renewing.
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Context: at the uni festival they're preventing fans from going to the bathroom & bringing in drinks. They lined up since morning & the performance is at 9pm(?). If they go to the bathroom they're kicked back at the end of the line. They're claiming svt gave those instructions.
240529 hoshi on weverse 🌟 . 🐯 you should [make sure to] go to the bathroom ☺️♥️
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Ignoring all the discourse, the nonsense and the hate and focusing on
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Timely article, so very well said Wonwoo❤️. "Seventeen's music is Seventeen's life"
[기사] #세븐틴 #원우 "세븐틴의 음악은 세븐틴의 삶".#플레디스 #PLEDIS #SEVENTEEN.
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This part in Fearless is always sooo impressive to me. @pledis_17 #세븐틴
youngjun (seventeen choreographer) said that in seventeen hoshi, woozi, and performance team members are the ones who do the farthest position changes since they can move very fast! .
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I finally caught up to this GoSe episode. And Jeonghan talking to Jun and referring to himself as Hyungie had me malfunctioning for a good 30 mins. It's so soft 😭😭😭😭.@pledis_17 #세븐틴 #정한 #준 .
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Scrolling down & seeing so many Jeonghan pics😍 I expected only 2-3 pics like for the others. "Seventeen’s Jeonghan for his first appearance in Paris"."Jeonghan made his arrival under the cheers of the crowd"."Jeonghan was the star of the night at the Saint-Laurent Fashion Show"
Défilé Saint Laurent : Charlotte Gainsbourg au piano, Jenna Ortega ensorcelante, Jeonghan superstar… . 👉 ✍️ @seraphine_roger
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Some of the more positive Theqoo reactions to MAMA awards. A tthread. First this post about Seventeen winning artist of the year
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Hybe haters Hybe company stans. 🤝. Hating on Seventeen.
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Just because we're happy about @pledis_17 accomplishments in the west it doesn't meant that we believe that they are "worth" more than their accomplishments elsewhere (including their home country.) Unlike you we don't view the west as the standard for success.
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1. They all wanted to stay together and they all knew it. That's definitely the most important point. This desire to continue as a group was what helped them through the tedious process because they all had this common goal and this faith in each other. Cr.wonwooszone.@pledis_17
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What adds to the confusion is that the initial post (most shared, seen, reffered to) has been pointed out for its inaccuracies and misrelating the facts but after posting OP has been nowhere to be found to discuss the translation. Sigh. That other tweet tho. The irony.
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"People who take one the 'Carat' name and thoughtlessly talk about the members, I really think they're just disgracing their own names."
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Then there's also Wonwoo. From his answer ⬇️ we see how he played an important role in helping to find a compromise for all. It's interesting how he seemed to be aware that things got somewhat twisted from the truth and felt the need to clarify things once again. Cr.wonwooszone
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Ppl didn't believe it bc it makes no sense but still imagine the scandal if it took off? . "Svt attends festival and prevents people from going to the bathroom" like that's insanely malicious. Hoshi posting on wv right away debunks their claims. Plus he also added to drink water!
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Pretty sure it wasn't about listening to the fans but their own decisions. What matter most is listening to the members and especially Wonwoo. It's not about the fans "I want, I think it's best if, he should, he needs," speeches. But about the members themselves.
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2. They all decided to prioritize the team even if it meant making some sacrifices. @pledis_17 #세븐틴
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3. They made sure to go into the discussion with the company as a full team to avoid any misunderstandings and to stand united (and stronger). @pledis_17 #세븐틴
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First, Mingyu, the name most associated with the contract renewal. His contribution of being the first to push past their hesitation to launch the discussions is truly essential. That part is often lost in the midst of exaggerating yet it's something worthy of praise in itself.
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So there's this post ( on theqoo about SC. If I understand correctly it's a compilation of times he expressed how he wanted to work hard to combat the stigma that the fans face for liking idols. How he wants Carats to be proud to say they stan Seventeen?
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I think there's often a difference between what fans want and what the idols want and that's ok. The issue comes when ppl frame what THEY want as what the idols want & ignore the idols' words. It's one thing to say 'I wish we saw him more on variety' and another to say.
😇 i don’t really like going on variety shows, it’s not that i’m physically tired, it’s just an [uneasy] feeling. while the members are on variety, id rather come on weverse live like this and talk comfortably~.
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Seungkwan #승관 and DK #도겸 😍."They’re born with a wide range as well, so rather than teaching, it’s more like trimming." . — Kim Young Min. @pledis_17. The way we took two spots out of 4 🤗🤭🤗
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Seventeen + flowers is Pledis trademark at this point but it never hit so hard before. I'm still stunned. Also I know this is a clear A Midsummer Night's Dream reference but I can't help but also think about Darling and Oh My. Must be the summery magical place vibes🤣
JEONGHAN X WONWOO .1ST SINGLE ALBUM ‘THIS MAN’. 𝐒𝐩𝐨𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐝: 𝐓𝐇𝐈𝐒 𝐌𝐀𝐍.➣ A MIDSUMMER'S NIGHT. 2024.06.17 6PM (KST) / 5AM (ET). #JxW #정한X원우.#THISMAN
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Vernon trying and failing to sit on Jeonghan's lap.
i haven’t seen one for verhan i think?? so pls qrt this with the “you just had to be there” moment with vernon and jeonghan.
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It was an stressful situation and with his optimism, positivity and go-getter attitude Mingyu kickstarted the discussions and eased the tension for the rest. The Elle interview excerpt show his pragmatic approach, which I'm sure also helped the negotiation with Pledis.Cr.gyumedia
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Wish that the mistranslation would have been posted while private too. And not reached 20k. Now the apology won't even reach 3k.
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Vernon. Tbh with 13 different ppl, and needing to coordinate their different ideas and demands, having a member like him (similar to Wonwoo, see above) willing to go along with what the rest want, is infinitely precious and can reduce some of the stress of such situations.
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Pink Sweat$ is an ideal collaborator for us bc of his love for music and the love & respect he has for Kpop artists said Joshua. @realpinksweats reiterated this, saying he felt a particular connection with Kpop and especially @pledis_17's upbeat, positive artistry and aesthetics.
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From the sudden news, til now, it all felt like a fever dream. Jeonghan did so well! He handled himself with the same professionalism he puts into SVT but he was also simply magnificent. I'm so glad more of the world got to see the amazing Yoon Jeonghan.
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Now, I have no doubt that other members probably contributed in ways that they haven't shared yet (or that, perhaps I haven't come across) but either way Seventeen's commitment to the team and to each other is worthy of admiration and Carats are so lucky to stan such a group.
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4. Finally, the members' contributions during the process. Ofc all of them made that important decision and went through that long and tedious process so ofc they all had a role to play. Still, from the Goblin ep (+ other things) I think it's ok to highlight specific members.
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There's also this segment from Knowing Bros about Seungkwan arbitrating. Jeonghan also mentions Seungcheol doing that as well. They didn't really elaborate and Knowing Bros usually put a humorous spin on things but I'm pretty sure they really meant it.
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Part of the issue is that they sold tickets to outsider so I guess the crowd is huge but it's a shame to use Seventeen's name like that we they got the chance to invite BSS to the event. It could have spiraled into something huge and backlash agaisnt Svt.
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That time Seungcheol chose Woozi as the member he would want as his real brother and Mingyu got sulky. #2024MAMAVOTE #seventeen.
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When I first became a Carat I had a hard time telling Wonwoo and DK apart #caratconfession
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Svt mentioned how they couldn't reveal every details but they've said enough to reassure carats of their strong bond and their determination to remain as Seventeen, so it's upsetting to see carats ignoring their words and pretending that all 13 didn't want to renew the contract.
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Asking carats not to interact with haters is not just about focusing on the cb' goals. It's also so we can enjoy Svt's hard work in peace, without any negativity from bitter antis. By not engaging you're also avoiding putting it on your fellow carats tl. A great act of service.
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Vernon successfully sitting on Jeonghan's lap.
i haven’t seen one for verhan i think?? so pls qrt this with the “you just had to be there” moment with vernon and jeonghan.
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Despite some specific stans who hate svt for obvious reasons, in general most kpop stans don't. This cb's achievements are attracting more naysayers but that's not a reason for carats to start dragging all others grps. Especially when these could be trolls/set up accounts.
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"HYBE s'est donc offert le potentiel de Seventeen, il ne l’a pas créé. Le groupe peut se féliciter d'être la raison de son succès.".*HYBE acquired Seventeen's potential, they didn't create it. The group can congratulate themselves on being the reason for their own success. 👏👏👏.
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One day I'll figure out why carats have to be the representative for the whole kpop community or the nameless "kpop stan" regardless of their involvement in situations and why people can't leave carats own twts about their favs alone.
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@pledis_17 is a mix of natural talent and hard workers. They don't all have the same starting point (whether it's natural abilities, experience or the length of training) but since debut, all managed to keep up! The boys also made sure to improve in areas where they were lacking.
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It's sad that I'm used to seeing this level of hate against Seventeen from fellow carats. And it's sad that the same people go back to fangirling right after as if nothing happened. To me it cheapens their disappointment and anger as it's not something they hold on to for long.
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Great article! ."The artist (WZ) refuses the genius label. If he was one, he wouldn't work so hard," he repeats. So be it. He rejects the title, yet it suits him. A glance at the 9 yrs of work of the artist and his 12 comrades is enough to sweep away such fabricated speculation."
Accused of using AI to create its music, SEVENTEEN has defended itself against these defamatory allegations. It would be to misunderstand @pledis_17 to minimize the value the group places on creating its own music. #SEVENTEEN .
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They're making some of their biggest career achievements ever right now but they're probably unable to feel the joy and excitement that they would in normal circumstances. There's no doubt that they're grateful yet hurting. I dunno I'm just so thankful for their music & hardwork.
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So, while it's not surprising that non-carats or new carats oversimplify or exaggerate things about the renewal (bc they don't know better/don't care to find out), given that the members repeatedly talked about it, it's weird to see sooo many carats misrepresenting things.
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Forgot to add this for those who haven't watched the full Goblin Who Steals Wisdom episode with subs. You can also check the 7th anniversary special video to learn more about the contract renewal.
[Eng Sub] Goblin who steals wisdom - Seventeen. ▶YT: 1/2 .2/2 ▶Gdrive: ▶Mega: ▶DM: 1/2 2/2
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After experiencing a loss last year, listening to this cover was such a cathartic experience for me. Now, almost exactly a year later, in different circumstances, I still find so much solace in Seungkwan's voice and in this song.
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Me checking Jeonghan Berlin in the searches every 20 minutes like a parent stressing about their kid's flight. Sighhh.
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I'm surprised SOS has the least views so far! We were waiting for so long for a live performance so I expected it to be higher😅 Anyway even tho the performances were uploaded only 5 hours ago we're doing good on views. If you haven't yet make sure to watch them to boost them up!
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Seventeen's sound evolved with them as they matured and they gained more & more fans along the way with each of those different genres. Even though they showed their versatility early on, 8 yrs later they're still capable of surprising us fans and delighting us with their music.
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GoSe is by far the top idol variety show. Everyone acknowledges that. Even non-fans and idols are watching it. GoSe's impact is felt in the way their catchphrases and games spread but also in the way other companies emulates GoSe with their own groups' content.
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Carats are extremely sensitive about mistreatment narratives but often fail to realize how much resentment they help build against the members deemed "popular" or the "company and fandom favorites". Said it before & will say it again, Hoshi is akgaes' fav target, he gets a lot of.
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"Seventeen’s footsteps became an instrument for 10 years" I love this comment so much! Reactions to Maestro choreography video on theqoo
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This seems to be a specific issue related to the uni, it's not a big conspiracy related to other stuff, bc ppl are saying it's expected of that uni. The student council, specifically, is being singled out on theqoo. They're saying some of them r acting like bullies with the fans.
Context: at the uni festival they're preventing fans from going to the bathroom & bringing in drinks. They lined up since morning & the performance is at 9pm(?). If they go to the bathroom they're kicked back at the end of the line. They're claiming svt gave those instructions.
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I saw it before on the other post on theqoo but it's still sorta bittersweet seeing people's reaction to the song. Seeing how much they can relate with those feelings. 😭😭😭😭 Group hug.
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Ppl are assuming the storyline is copied from their favs version of the original and not directly a reference to the original, even though JxW's version matches the original more. Shouldn't the conclusion be that they both took inspiration from the same urban legend?
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A comment from reddit about the Billboard Kpop Touring Artists nominations :
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I get that it's meant as a joke and honestly not every type of personality is suited for leadership. It's not something everyone enjoy as well but it's surprising to read this about JH there's a lot of time where the members seem to jump and obey whenever Jeonghan say something.
That’s funny cuz even as svt’s main emotional pillar this man has zero leadership 😭😭.
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I've actually never seen carats camping under the posts of other groups to continuously harass them. Ofc they get into fanwars and talk shit too but the whole "obsessed with everything the other grp is doing"? Never. Which makes me wonder what exactly are those idols telling.
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Can someone make a list of big akgaes accounts so we can all collectively block them and their followers and avoid letting them set the tone in the fandom? Caratland is already pretty sh*tty but give it a few more years and it'll be hell on earth?.
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Pledis looking at Wonwoo's insane popularity in China, Jeonghan's insane popularity in Japan and their insane popularity in Korea and sitting down to plot.
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It's intriguing how during the pandemic Seventeen attracted fans ranging from 1st and 2nd gen kpop fans to literal elementary school student who started watching Going Seventeen.
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I wish carats would apply their "stanning is not a job, we're just here to have fun" mindset to those pointless fights about the members' relationships instead of just pulling out that card when they're asked to stream and vote. Bc why do y'all always have time for drama?.
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This is the kind of behavior that needs to trend. Just imagine your idol being able to feel safe and secure around and show you how happy they are to be with their fans. @pledis_17 #OdeToYouinNJ.
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Ever since SVT started growing faster, some ppl have done their best to discredit them. Any achievement is met with "nooo they cheated, it's not real, xyz versions, 0 streams" etc. It's all so they can process the info. Bc for some reason svt's numbers make them uncomfortable.
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I think there is a big difference between not coddling your favs and adding fuel to the fire.
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This especially highlights Mingyu's optimism. It's something about himself, he and svt often refers to. I think that in their busy and tiring life it's so important to have someone like him who can turn stressful situations like a contract renewal into something more positive.
It was an stressful situation and with his optimism, positivity and go-getter attitude Mingyu kickstarted the discussions and eased the tension for the rest. The Elle interview excerpt show his pragmatic approach, which I'm sure also helped the negotiation with Pledis.Cr.gyumedia
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I need to stop posting theqoo comments but I couldn't help it! I saw the post of Woozi's commentary (The Super part). The reactions were all good and some made me want to share! .@pledis_17 #세븐틴
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The earth shook.
qrt this with your “you just had to be there” moment with couphan.🍒🍓#정철 #쿱정.
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The other university festivals seem to have went better lol. At least I don't remember seeing complaints. Obviously SVT couldn't attend due to more important schedules but it's a shame that the one BSS is attending is lacking in terms of organization AND accountability.
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I've long given up the hope of Seventeen's haters being objective about anything but there's a difference between quotes from the members and a journalist own's ideas. Seventeen keep getting blamed for things they've never said bc haters are eager to find more excuses to hate.
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We don't know when Seventeen booked Nissan. They mentioned they were waiting for Sangam Stadium to be confirmed and booked Incheon in the meantime. So it's likely that Nissan was booked way before it was announced but they were waiting to secure the Korean dates to announce it.
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Exhibit 3: from the Glastonbury reddit sub🙃🙃🙃
Something I've noticed is that non-fans will fall for God of Music no matter what. No exception. And that's what GOM is about: music transcends language and brings happiness around the world. Exhibit 1:
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Whatever @pledis_17 accomplish, carats are going to be proud of it and celebrate. Are we happy to see people mentioning and praising them sure we are and we'll always be BUT PEOPLE BEEN PRAISING THEM. IT DIDN'T START TODAY.
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Ok but lately Svt has been really straightforward in addressing the issues plaguing caratland, maybe some of it is overlapping with kcarats too so they see it, who knows. Regardless of how, I think they keep clarifying stuff to keep the fandom not only focused but also united. So
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I really don't get it. Plybe didn't prepare enough stock bc clearly they don't care about wins or records, etc. Like not taking care of Spotify, YT, AM, tiktok made that clear. The debut wasn't even going to be promoted at all since the one stage we're getting is an afterthought.
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Boycotting = not consuming the product, not giving it any attention. It doesn't mean you get to still enjoy it. It has to cost you something. You have to give up something. Enjoying the product, posting about it, talking about it, while proudly "boycotting" is just performative.
@dzaifarts boycotting=non-consumption,no?.From what i understand, your indirectly consuming the contents, using it in your edits, and putting it in your SNS where the public can see. isn’t that a form of indirect promotion since your increasing the visibility of the content?🤔.
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In their journey of sucess, along with Carats, @pledis_17 seem to have another constant companion that makes it their life mission to question/discredit their success. The goal is obviously to make sure that SVT's accomplishments are never seen as valid and worthy of recognition.
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How lucky are the carats who were present on that day 😩
qrt this with your “you just had to be there” moment with couphan.🍒🍓#정철 #쿱정.
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There's a difference b/w demanding better from them and disparaging them, diminishing their hardwork & ridiculing their achievements. The former is you sticking to your values while the latter only makes you look foolish for still sticking by them while thinking so little of them.
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Here is the video I mentioned about Jeonghan
I get that it's meant as a joke and honestly not every type of personality is suited for leadership. It's not something everyone enjoy as well but it's surprising to read this about JH there's a lot of time where the members seem to jump and obey whenever Jeonghan say something.
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GoSe is just another instance of SVT self-producing ability. These boys had a vision and hopes for their variety content and they turned it into something so impressive that even non-fans adore. Even other idols enjoy it. @pledis_17 #세븐틴. #세븐틴
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Misinformation aside, the BBMAs are based on numbers. Nothing less and nothing more. The nominations are there to symbolically recognize the top artists in each category but the winner is already determined. Seventeen based on the numbers in the tracking period is the winner.
A comment from reddit about the Billboard Kpop Touring Artists nominations :
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Seasons of Jeongcheol.
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This comment about Seventeen concerts venues. 😍😍😍."I don't believe that you can get results just through hardwork, but when I look at Seventeen, it's exactly what it is. It's heartwarming to see it. I hope there are more people like them.". #SVT_Shinin9_Diamonds.@pledis_17.
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