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I've been labeled a stan and anti for almost everyone in MDZS at this point. Jokes on you I'm a WWX stan that leans troll. 30+
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Wangxian, Jiang Cheng, The Ancestral Hall, and who was really dishonorable during that confrontation
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This may be the best LWJ design solely because he looks exactly like an immortal that is untouchable and points for that elf aesthetic
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I think there is something overlooked with the way MXTX protags explicitly show piety to their MOTHERS over their fathers and the underlying feminist role of this over the patriarchal practices of Confucianism values
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The funniest thing is fanfics thinking for real that WWX, NHS and JC were actually besties for life when it was one summer and WWX didn't think about him again till they met almost 20 years later and he was like "oh yeah that dude I guess"
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"WWX deserves to be spoiled and pampered the rest of his life!"I say, the crowd boos, but one person speaks up.
"That is correct," it is Lan Wangji who carries his husband like a princess so as not to tire his little feet
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Wei Wuxian is made to say the Core Transfer is a debt repaid to make Jiang Cheng leave him alone, because that is the only language that Jiang Cheng understands. He is unable himself to make it a gesture from care and love, because Jiang Cheng doesn't view Wei Wuxian
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The hill that I will die on is that WWX never thought he was unworthy of being loved by LWJ or had any angst about being enough.
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What fic did you get your last point from especially since no one but LWJ, LQR and LXC knew A-Yuan's origins and kept it hidden by making him an inner lan in direct contrast to the way the Jiang parents treated WWX. If JC knew he would have killed him based on the Wen surname
I want to clarify something. JC didn’t hate the Wens until this. JC didn’t have a desire to hurt them until this. JC is a victim of genocide. JC and JL are LITERALLY Endlings of the Jiang Clan. The fact that JC most likely knows LSZ is a Wen and leaves him alone tells you a lot.
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I'm very serious when I say that MXTX is not just a hobby writer, she is an actual literary author when it comes to her works and why she still has the recognition she does. Her thematics are meant to be analyzed
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Jiang Cheng's love was always transactional to Wei Wuxian. The only reason I can feel "sad" about that is for Wei Wuxian, not Jiang Cheng. Because one did put his heart into it all with nothing expected back because he reasoned it was his duty anyway while Jiang Cheng constantly
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MXTX could sense the no sex TGCF stans were at it and went "I think I'm going to take it out on those ones"
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Can you BELIEVE MXTX gave people sad backgrounds but says that's not an excuse to be shitty and manipulative to other people you're supposed to care about and you really shouldn't feel bad for those type of people???
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being capable of that, or, views it as a way of Wei Wuxian demeaning him. He doesn't think people at their core nature can be kind or caring without stipulation or a debt to someone else. His language is rife with it as he yells at Wei Wuxian that he should be allowed to hate him
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WWX follows his mother's words to be kind and to not dwell on the cruelty of the world because to be kind and offer that is to find happiness and love. As well as adoring the kindness of JYL that he decides to stay in Lotus Pier because someone came for him simply out of care.
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Xie Lian in all his love for his mother makes dishes like her because she did it out of love, care and gave them names to remind Xie Lian life is still of value in hardship and to make the best of so little.
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Luo Binghe is drawn from the brink being reminded of his mother's (the washer woman he called mother) kindness and softness and her belief in someone reaching out with good will like Guanyin and it's not how the outer shell looks but the intention to extend that regardless.
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Some of you just don't want to admit that JFM was a victim of spousal abuse because that ruins your narrative for poor defenseless YZY when she was what terrorized her family and scapegoated a child because he wouldn't hate himself like she made everyone else surrounding her
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Wei Wuxian would always only be a servant under his rightful heir status, despite their talents being vastly different and couldn't overshine his ego.
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"How can you hate JC"
Easy, he's an asshole and his one good action doesn't change it given the scene before he strangled WWX said LWJ and JXZ should have been left to die,still blames LWJ like 15 years later and feels entitled to WWX's life itself sooo. I don't hate him obvs
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I think it's a huge thing that the presence of the mother they loved is what makes these men ultimately so taken with the kindness of people
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despite everything and anything Wei Wuxian has done for him. And this is the same contradiction he gives Wei Wuxian thirteen years prior for continuing to protect the Wens.
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So yes the only logical route Wei Wuxian can choose is to say their debts are paid and they are done with each other. There was never equality between them because Jiang Cheng is the one to have made that barrier with consoling himself
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Sure, she had no obligation to love him, but she had no right to despise and abuse a child because she was paranoid over a woman that was already dead. As well as using her own child until he wound up hating his own self just like her. Nothing about her was sympathetically human
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He is blaming Wei Wuxian for not staying a servant to him and refusing to see that WWX could have his own thoughts and ideals outside of him... but okay it's real sad for Jiang Cheng who acted entitled to have WWX with no thought for WWX's own struggles or even actually thinking
It’s a bit silly how lots of ppl think that this is jiang cheng blaming wei wuxian for everything instead of him clearly being hurt for not having him by his side. He’s basically saying that he thought it would always be the two of them together!
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@hgjswifi
It's WEIRD that they act like JC is loved and everyone wants to be his friends when he himself throws a fit when WWX told him to be friendlier or he'd wind up alone and that's exactly what happens 20 years later ☠️
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People just don't like the fact that all MXTX main characters are monogamous and she likes to write her romantic pairs as monogamous without them having been sexually or emotionally toward to anyone other than their significant other
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Protection is not worth the effort unless he is forced to acknowledge it and unable to deny what was given to him from another.
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"He never hit Jin Ling"
And then the book proceeds to give is three different occasions of him doing what he didn't before on top of the verbal abuse and it's turned into "he was stressed and under extraneous circumstances!"
Sincerely fuck you for even excusing the beginnings
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@evilsqq
It's okay everyone can be a little obsessed with WWX only to be cucked because WWX is like: ( Twirls hair and tee hee's) Lan Zhannnn~ wanna share my lunch~ I made the noodles extra long so we can stare into each other's eyes~
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Know what this is beautiful as a response because YES, WWX did not have a best friend until Wen Ning was in the picture and they each respected the others words even if it wasn't always in agreement and they stayed loyal to each other's own choices as an understanding
As pessoas fazendo Nie Huaisang melhor amigo do Wei Wuixan quando esse cargo temos o digníssimo Wen Ning
Melhor amigo da vida E MORTE e pos-morte do Wei Wuxian
Eles sao bros for life(and death)
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Wei Wuxian did nothing wrong ever, actually. If you think he did you didn't read right so be embarrassed
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MXTX intricately explains differences between her cultivation lore and why gui dao is not mo dao through WWX has XY explicitly use MD to cultivate resentment in the living to make jiangshi to WWX on battlefields with dead soldiers
Fandom: He was digging up grandma corpses!
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JC would never do that to WWX
The plot showing yes he would if he could and JGY verbally confirming JC would if he could because he was such a jealous bitch it was obvious and easy to exploit to get him to be the first in line for "let's kill WWX" party
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YZY died and was treated with more piety by WWX for how little respect she gave to him as a person. She doesn't deserve his filial piety to her
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He sacrificed himself not expecting to lose his core, and when he did sacrifice himself immediately regretted it and proceeded to choke Wei Wuxian a second time in a matter of days from the first attempt... so what's your point bringing this up when even he tried to make his own
@kkavehhs
like are people also forgetting the fact that he literally sacrificed himself so wwx could escape... i feel like so many people forget or purposefully ignore that reveal
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JC Stans are hilarious saying that WWX would pick JC always when we have this in novel
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I'm sorry I'm legally allowed to call you dumb for deliberately wrong comprehension about Wei Wuxian of the Wei Wuxian book
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MXTX: Wangxian are the moral ideals of the work and I can hope my audience can be that as well! :)
Audience: So let's see how we can actually victim blame WWX for the assholes and say he's morally grey and why he's wrong and should have known his place
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JC stan defenders love to say he had a responsibility and obligation to his sect. No, he didn't, because he quite literally built one up of his own ideals and 13 years later we are told that the Yunmeng Jiang of Jiang Cheng is not the one or even the same as what it had been.
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Also, we already know why JC hated knowing where the core came from. It wasn't because he cared about WWX's safety, it's because he has an ego more massive than a continent and couldn't hold all those "debts" WWX owed to HIM
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How not treating someone as a servant and literally putting the other on equal ground and position of friendship looks like per relationship mirror by the text in chapter 43 of the web serialization
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There is major irony here calling WWX spoiled given we get straight text with how everyone in the main family treats him as lesser other than JYL... who again is the only one that specifically calls him didi and not shidi
trying not to be petty and involve myself with them but theyre calling wwx a spoiled brat, lord help me
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All I am going to say is that no, this is NOT the first time JC stans have needlessly tried to call the GC transfer similar to SA or accused WWX the gay man donate of said core equivalent to a rapist towards the straight homophobic JC. As well as trying to say SA survivors
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Wei Wuxian has standards so he would never date anyone or sleep with anyone before Lan Wangji, people seem to forget that he is a romantic and simply didn't think he would find someone he was willing to go that far with, which does mean sexually, emotionally and romantically.
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From a dear friend before I post my rebuke about the JC ancestral hall thing: yes trespassing is more morally reprehensible than killing children.
Wangxian, Jiang Cheng, The Ancestral Hall, and who was really dishonorable during that confrontation
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MDZS base has got to be the weirdest one wanting clout by twisting what the author says in fun interviews to cater to the fanbase all for more followers and rely on OOC fic tropes to buoy them... just make OOCs and this backlash wouldn't hit
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He literally say it is very valid to have an issue with him because he himself thought he was a huge fucking deal and basked in being smart and talented and totally could see it coming off as obnoxious (and he'd do it intentionally to piss people off).
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I'm expanding on this because I read more and you are literally wrong lol. JC hated the Wen cultivators as much as the next he was just a coward and kept telling WWX to keep his head down to please WC until WWX, LWJ and JZX moved to protect Mainmian, said they should have died
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This just in... the person using Wanyin in their username doesn't know what a misnomer title for books are, or pay attention to the fact that it's a lazy mistranslation since WWX explicitly calls his dao, Gui Dao
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It was all the forced comphet from outside parties (Jiang Cheng) that made him doubt that his love could be reciprocated or was appropriate to have for another man. It was about forcing something upon another and potentially it not being equal and the issue of gratitude in place
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Wei Wuxian 🫠 Because people still try to compare him to the villain losers and make him lesser
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It's not even that the revised version of TGCF is even "more Hualian-centric" much as I joke on that. The revision cleans up holes that were very dissatisfying and useless frankly to the arcs regarding a story that is and was centered around XL persevering despite suffering as
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There will never be a funnier antiLWJ fandom tweet than the one that tried to say that LWJ was a cop, the civilians that gave him the name HGJ, hate him, and he takes good jobs from rogue cultivators when there's multiple lines saying he does "menial" night hunts others ignore
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Yes, because he literally was that much of a loser that thought being "normal" was worse than committing suicide by food deprivation until WWX gave up his core. And guess who was the one that managed to actually survive despite not being "super special" anymore
@SamElfCool
You think he will do damn suicide lmao. And WWX core is the only solution to the problems? Yet it made more problems for Jiang Cheng. So damn funny. Honestly WWX fans are as narrow minded as him.
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Look the only fictional straighter than straight fictional woman I will protect is forever Jiang Yanli... but that girl is like so embarrassingly straight it hurts
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I don't think people get that the point of Jin Guangyao blaming WWX for his own death, is because he keeps trying to make excuses for his own self to absolve his own shit. That's hypocrisy no matter how prettily he said things. He is still blaming all but himself for his hole
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I mean you tell people to read when you didn't since WWX doesn't practice Mo Dao he uses Gui Dao, the only ones on page who used real Mo Dao techniques were JGY, XY, and SS... the sheer arrogance of saying long winded things against WWX to uphold JC is funny at that point
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He is an an asshoel and would also be grossed out by you throwing pity at him since he hates being pitied and you don't actually understand him as a character with nuance
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The context was that he thought they were WWX and was proven wrong every time yet still killed people. Not out of any actual care for the world but because he personally still wanted to kill WWX. Why do all your opinions suck and you act like you're saying something enlightening
don't you love it when people say jiang cheng tortured people excluding the entire context of it? 🥰 i personally can't wait to see more takes like this 🤩 people are so smart 😍
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Jin Ling is not a Jiang. He is a Jin and by patrial lineage and filial piety claims his Jin ancestry over anything to do with Yunmeng Jiang. He is not a Yunmeng heir and doesn't claim it. Hope that helps
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The only ones in MDZS that arguably deserved "better" were Wen Ning, Wen Qing, and Jiang Yanli
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He continues to say who cares if WWX wants to protect them because they're going to die anyway and to put them back in labor camps despite seeing most are no longer soldiers and elders as well as a child
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This is so hilarious to say when I'm not the Harry Potter shipper, but okay lol. And he was... literally called a servant and ordered as a servant to protect the clan head by both clan leaders. Maybe you need to learn how to read that words mean things.... Jiang Cheng called him
They really tried to diss me for liking a ship from HP. Gurl you’re in stan twt too😭 no better than me except maybe less comprehension skills if you think wwx was treated like a servant during his childhood💀
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I really don't understand what is so hard to grasp that MXTX writes from an omniscient POV while the story focuses on WWX and XL we get told how others around us them react or even think. That is not a limited POV any longer.
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It's funny how criticisms of Wei Wuxian consist of "he was raised as gentry" as if that means the jianghu wasn't classist to him, and the ones making this argument forget he was out on the streets as an orphan from 6 until the age of 9
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I'm unfortunately sorry to say that NHS is only sentimental and vengeful when it came to his (very undeserving) elder brother... exchanging letters with JC ☠️ Dude was busy meticulously planning the yellow cockroaches downfall for a decade not caring whatever the hell the purple
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Fem Lan Wangji should have massive honkers just for Fem Wei Wuxian to cuddle into at night because WWX lays on top anyway and soft honkers are a great pillow every night and of course it's hard to sleep without that once you got it
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It is why her works are continually getting attention unlike other niche works. It is meant for more than just the standard reading fare and entertainment. It is meant to say something and always does and continues to find an audience it resonates with for a very long time
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It's okay we can explicitly say Jiang Cheng and how his stans talk about Wangxian as if they're having sex in public instead of casual affection between two men
people who say "I can excuse homophobia if the character is hot" or straight people saying "this guy isnt homophobic" or saying "this couple would just be annoying, that's not homophobia" 🤢
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WWX: Lan Zhan is the beauty of the world, so strong and smart, so wonderful need to kiss him it's so great! Mwah mwah! Let me kiss you! So cute, and adorable, the world can't contain it!
LWJ: Wei Ying is wonderful as well--
WWX: (Giggling and squealing into his hands) Lan Zhan,
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I'm going to go out on a limb here tentatively to say, it doesn't matter if he is gay or bi, as MXTX only said that WWX and LWJ are a perfect pair and not to break them.
Regardless he saved himself for love, this doesn't dismiss his potential of being bi just that he had no
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And another clarification, he did not actually protect those Wens in the Burial Mounds, he didn't bother to expand on them having helped the, essentially agreed to what NMJ said about writing them off based on guilt by association of surname. That's called family extermination
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But seriously give me actual canonical proof where WWX is obsessed with JC like... at all when he was obsessed with LWJ from the moment he saw LWJ and over 16 years later confirms that yes he just actually wanted LWJ's attention the whole time
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Conclusion Jiang Cheng isn't made to be viewed as flawed but well meaning since he had no good intentions aside from one instance he regretted immediately after and thus is moot
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Please do shut up when it was only made the bare minimum due to book fans rioting over the fact that they were going to erase the BL part and kept it closer to the original relationship save their asses...
@Builuve4565
There's a reason why The Untamed is THE number 1 BL in history WITHOUT any NC scenes -- because the plot and the characters were so damn good. We don't need a bajillion NC scenes -- we just want the story to be so damn good, the NC scenes are the cherry on top of that.
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And yet Wangxian are still the most influential in the whole of North America, East Asia and Europe over the niche lawyer game that's a gag parody...
most INFLUENTIAL ship, they said. not the most canon
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Neither does JC claim Jin Ling is of Yunmeng otherwise he would not be fighting at the end against other cultivators to keep JL's position as heir and sect leader of Lanling Jin
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Wei Wuxian has faults, digging up corpses isn't one of them though, his actual faults are just more boring then people want them to be and that makes me actually question the ones that want him to be worse than he is when we have Jin Guangyao and Xue Yang for that hard on
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I'm curious as to what you mean by intention since his intention in killing the Wen remnants was out of anger that WWX dared to protect them because he thought it was useless despite it being immoral to let them be tortured and killed in camps. And he viewed WWX as some sort of
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JFM tells WWX one "good job" and JC acts like that set him on a oath of never being Daddy's favorite when he always was lmao, that's called entitlement to want praise when there is no reason for it
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Regardless of genre, a great work always manages to be long lived and relatable for readers years after it has been finished
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I feel TGCF no sex puritans are thiiiiiisssss close to accusing Hua Cheng as some sort of aggressor or SA'er because XL broke his celibacy vow and willingly has sex with his husband but ignore he's very happy with this set up to call MXTX the worst for even implying XL can be
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I find it funny that it's white fans ones calling a Chinese woman homophobic for not "making everyone gay" in a book meant to mirror realistic issues, when her first book has multiple gay men, and her third features gender fluidity for multiple char and the concept of mpreg pills
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"Haha WWX is so oblivious and dumb to LWJ's feelings!"
Yeah gee, so oblivious thinking the guy who always tried to ignore him, called him troublesome and never actually said he didn't hate him, hated him. So dumb for thinking LWJ hated him since LWJ never expressed differently
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People just don't appreciate what great bottoms SQQ, WWX and XL are and how desperately kinky they are to be ravaged by their husbands
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Make no mistake he did love WWX, but it wasn't on an equal plane, nor one that JC even wanted it to be. He wanted a dog of a man to listen to him with no trouble
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What the fuck is with the shit defenses of YZY... people literally are trying to defend her hate for WWX as reasonable and blaming him for her hate and issues...
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Jin Guangyao should have been thrown down the stairs a third time before he was offed
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Don't worry we can tell since it's stated multiple times by everyone and even his own nephew he wants Wei Wuxian dead despite being dead and kills people because of rumors...
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The donghua did one thing right by making Jiang Cheng the penultimate antagonist for WWX's end and focusing on LWJ protecting him finally at WWX's emotionally worn low at the time and the symbolism used to show Jiang Cheng's spiral of selfishness to unconditional support between
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Sometimes people should just admit they have bad taste in fictional relationships especially when one is a canon homophobe and that's okay to say it's shallow reasons without making up a reason (signed a xicheng shipper)
lmao ppl are so mad at this ship😭 they got that enemies to lovers thing. a trope i love is when jc is taking care of jl and lwj is taking care of lsz and they bond over that. but my absolute fave is arranged marriage hihi
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You are wrong... intentionally and thematically he is not in any way coded with female leanings and is the exact opposite as he is shown to be everything wrong with toxic confucian traditionalism masculinity in contrast to the literal protagonists of the work that subvert those
In other words, this is my word vomit for Jiang Cheng is female-coded to be that angry, scorned woman and people don't like him because society doesn't like that kind of woman.
I may or may not be wrong 🧐
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Brave to say when JC wasn't even liked by his own mom who birthed him
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Anyone else wanting to report this shit feel free cause I am actually pissed they are trying this again on yet another predominantly English only site btw which is tvtropes made by western fandom
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?????? No? Given it is still MDZS that is still getting multiple worldwide translations, as well as its own manga now within Japan. TGCF is not on the international level of popularity of MDZS at all
@jiminlunas
i think mdzs was the most popular in asia but in a more universal level i'm pretty sure it's tgcf 🤔
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Fuck Suika and the way she translated Wei Wuxian as some slang throwing dude bro as if this is some straight bro WWX fandom fic that's OOC
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COOOOOOL! Now where are those edits to fix Mo Dao Zu Shi's translation for wrong translation as well as missing passages, and grammar errors for physical copies as well as the e-pubs that were supposed to be corrected as of 2021 and none of this has happened? 😚💅🏻 Just curious
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No I don't hate JC , JYL or JFM , I just hate Madam Yu for being a child abuser to her own son and fucking him up along with abusing and demeaning WWX. Hope this helps because I refuse to give her credit to ever being better when she can't for her own children she used
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Real easy for you to say when this person has said very inappropriate shit more than once while acting snide and now trying to go "it's just a joke chill" over multiple Chinese individuals being ignored that this isn't actually funny
People...are taking this more seriously than it's intended. I found it funny as the funny little what if scenario that it is, but you are all attacking this person like he killed your grandmother. Chill. Have fun. Go outside. Kiss your family.
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