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This is a team Green safe space
No unnecessary hate will be tolerated.
This is not a page for minors.
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I'm so tired of these takes.
He groomed his niece.
He killed his wife.
He celebrated the death of his nephew.
He beat a random messenger.
He sliced Vaemond’s head in half in front of children.
He neglects his daughter.
He choked his wife.
Daemon is a bad person.
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No cause like what did she do to deserve this? 💀
People like Daemon, Viserys, Aegon and Larys are right there but they label Alicent the monster
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What if I said Viserys was a terrible father to all of his children? Even Rhaenyra.
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No she didn't. The blame for the Dance cannot be attributed to any one person.
Alicent is the biggest hypocrite in the show.
This monster started a war that ended her entire bloodline. 🤭🤭
#HouseOfTheDragon
#HOTD
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I would argue that Daemon has a history of mistreating women.
This scene is so fukin senseless for Daemon and Rhaenyra both 😫
Daemon,the man who LOVED his family AF(he was ready to protect his brother's rights in 101AC with 2k men,remind you),would never do such crap scenarists gave him
And Rhaenyra who laughed at him??Fukin wut?
Ugh
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Rhaenyra having bastards isn't the problem. Her lack of tact surrounding the matter is the problem. If nobody knew they were bastards there would be no problem surrounding the matter. But as Aegon said, just look at them.
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What did my Pookie do to deserve that?
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But they never underwent the formal legal process of being legitimised.
As they were born out of wedlock and were never legitimized, they remained bastards. And as they were clearly bastards and Viserys did nothing to rectify that fact, the king was questioned about it.
@Qu3enAlicent
they were claimed as legitimate FROM BIRTH by the king himself. to question their legitimacy is to question the king
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‘In the absence of a son’
Correct me if I’m wrong, but did Viserys not have 3 sons?
Widow's Law
The law prescribed that the eldest son (and in the absence of a son, the eldest daughter) still remained heirs, but the widow was assigned the same maintenance as she enjoyed under her husband.
try one more time.
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No. This is the wrong take for several reasons. Starting with the fact that all of those people are his family. He is related by blood or marriage to all of those people. He claimed to love all of them (bar Laena) and still hurt them.
@daemonthinker
In the books, Alicent and Viserys loved each other🥲
The only person Viserys should apologize to is Eamma
Rhaenyra and Damon.
HIS FAMILY
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@Friyana_
Team Green’s family dynamics (though still problematic) are so much more functional than Team Black. Alicent has been an amazing single mother to her children given the circumstances.
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But he also did nothing to affirm Rhaenyra’s claim after having named her heir. He changed no laws of succession, nor did he place her in a position of power (like being the King’s hand for example) to prepare her.
he literally DID NOT CHANGE HIS DECISION FOR 20 YEARS.
Everyone knew this, and later the Greens killed every supporter of Rhaenyra.
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@his_valyrian
I haven't watched her in a while so I don't know, but this honestly shocked me. Because what do you mean it wasn't Daemon?
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That's actually not how feudal society works at all. It's a common misconception, but a monarch in feudal society actually draws power from support given to them by the nobility and the administrators of their faith (e.g. The Medieval Roman Catholic Church) primarily.
the KING named rhaenyra as his heir (and he didn’t change his mind not once)
the king’s word is LAW! he holds ALL the power that’s how it works in a feudal society. aegon’s claim is purely based on the TRADITION that the first born SON should be the heir.
LAW > tradition. (2/3)
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Daemon’s behaviour in a Middle Ages context is still despicable and unacceptable. One cannot take a noblewoman to a whorehouse. One cannot have an intimate relationship with a noblewoman. One cannot marry their niece;that is an early-modern and classical era event, not medieval.
Y’all are taking this from the perspective of 21st century modern society we’re talking about middle ages fictional patriarchal continent westeros with an incestuous family that controls dragons…. yes that is grooming to us but that’s a totally normal thing for them
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The type of friend that's forced to be a child bride?
And could you stop using derogatory language please: it's not appropriate.
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There is no ‘right side’ nor ‘winners’ in the dance.
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Mind you rhaenyra is the princess and Alicent is some lords daughter who was blessed enough to live in the red keep rhaenyra could have had her and her father killed if she threw that around more and we know the king would have did it with a second thought because he was weak and
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But she does deserve Driftmark. She deserves to be powerful in her own right via her own birthright. She also deserves a husband who worships the ground she walks on. I don't see the problem here. But I would love to know what you see.
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Are you referring to when she was forced into being a child bride at the age of 14/18 by two grown men? Whether you look at this from a show or book perspective she is a victim who deserves our sympathy.
But instead, you choose to victim blame.
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This doesn't make any sense. There are too many jumps here for me to even begin a rebuttal.
Like what?!
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Both Alicent and Rhaenyra are victims.
Stop making Alicent the victim.
she literally hated the little girl, and all your attempts to get pity for her are simply ridiculous.
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Why are you guys being so mean over an obvious spelling and grammar issue?
Especially when there is a disclaimer in the replies.
There were civil ways to handle this.
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So I took a look at that account guys to see if they were trolling.
Unless this was an incredibly specific mistranslation, I fear that they were being serious.
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@GOThistorian
I generally like your takes that I’ve seen I just don’t agree with that one. And I acknowledged that the video was cut.
When I posted it I didn't anticipate the vile things people would say about you as I assumed people would separate a theory from the theorist.
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Actually I have read the book. What did I say that goes against the book canon?
tell me you haven't read the book without saying so.
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Another villain?
He was the villain from the start. From the very beginning, when Jaherys was sat on that throne, Daemon was the villain. And he continued to be so. There is not a single scene where he is not a villain. Not one.
he is enamored with her! and as I said this whole abusive husband bullshit is just for shock value and quite the brand for asoiaf adaptation writers and the hbo shows as a whole… and also as a way to give viewers another villain to balance the scales between TB and TG
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@LordFleaBottom_
Why can't they see that you can like characters who are bad people?
Your favourite character doesn't have to be a saint.
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In the eyes of the law anyone born out of wedlock would be a bastard.
They were also never legitimised, instead anyone who dared question their legitimacy was silenced.
@Akarin3799
except in the eyes of the law they WERENT bastards. laenor, corlys, and THE KING HIMSELF declared them as legitimate from the moment they were born. so it doesn't change anything
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What is going on?
Did anyone else get this?
@Qu3enAlicent
Quite peculiar indeed… It would be best advised to inquire with Mister Bridgerton himself.
❤ if one should wish to learn more. Bridgerton Season 3, Part 1 debuts May 16th on Netflix.
Reply
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I feel this gets overlooked a lot.
Viserys ignores him for most of his life but only interacts with him (that we’ve seen) to get him drunk or shout at him.
Just imagine how that must feel.
I'm not saying Aegon’s not a bad person or anything. I'm just highlighting the abuse.
viserys giving aegon (a literal 2 year old) his wine. oh my god i'm going to skin him alive.
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Enough with the discourse, can we appreciate the insane acting here?
This is such a realistic portrayal of domestic abuse.
A thread:
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‘her feelings or thoughts are not genuine or clear at all’ to you because you appear to lack the ability to read subtext on screen. You seem to have missed Alicent’s entire arc in these first two episodes. Alicent is not ‘boring’, she is simply too complex for you to understand.
“alicent has a screentime of a leading character but a storyline of an extra” lmao not my words but this is exactly it. she is so boring. she just cries, fucks and bathes. her feelings or thoughts are not genuine or clear at all.
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It took almost two decades for anyone to discover Cersei’s bastards, and many didn't believe it. If Rhaenyra had used someone Valyrian looking as a sperm donor, no one would know.
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And as Westeros is largely based on Medieval England, it would be safe to assume that the English reverance of conventions in their legal code could also be applicable to Westeros. And the convention, as dictated by the (wrong) decision to place Viserys before Rhaenys, -
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People love to talk about historical context but a lot of you don't know what you're talking about. I just saw a tiktok discourse in a comment section that if Westeros is not an absolute monarchy (in a Louis XIV way) then its a democracy.
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You can feel sorry for both Rhaenyra and Alicent at the same time. There's no need to insult one to sympathise with the other.
"pobre alicent" enquanto isso a piranha tava atazanando a herdeira do trono e os filhos dela por BIRRA, se tem algum coitado ali é a rhaenyra e os filhos dela. essa cachorra da alicent não vale nem o chão que pisa
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Can we stop slut shaming? As a fandom can we agree to stop that at least.
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@dream__rose
Laenor never legally adopted them. He claimed them but he did not go through any legal process to legitimise them as his children.
As their biological father is different from their biological mother’s husband at the time, they were born out of wedlock.
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@GOThistorian
I honestly didn't mean to single you out for this much hate. Before posting this I had like 12 followers. I'm sorry if I’ve caused you any harm or distress.
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This is such a juvenile, reductive take.
@sunfairest
@alcinaswoman
Didn't say V is dad of the year. But he neither mentally nor physically abused his son. Also V suffers from a horrible disease & has to run the kingdom. Being a young mother doesn't justify abuse. A had all the help she could wish for raising the kids.
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Widow’s law doesn't affirm Rhaenyra’s claim. Once again, you aren’t providing actual rebuttals.
the eldest daughter still remained heirs.
Let me remind you that Rhaenyra is older than all of them.
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What has that got to do with marital rape?
Meanwhile, on the western shore of Blackwater Bay, word of battle
and betrayal at Tumbleton had reached King’s Landing. It is said the
Dowager Queen Alicent laughed when she heard. “All they have sowed, now shall they reap,” she promised.
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I would love to know what evidence you have for this.
Please elaborate as to why you believe that Daemon’s assault on his wife has nothing to do with gender, and also why you believe he would do the same thing to Viserys.
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Every time I start to see team black as serious fans of asoiaf they pull something like this. Some of them don’t understand the world at all.
aegon’s reply being “then i won’t challenge her” will always be so hilarious to me cause he was like it’s that simple girl damn
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But this is also Viserys’ fault, because why would he wed his daughter to an open homosexual? When there were so many other options? Did he think this through at all?
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And he failed. He avoided the conflict completely by acting as if it didn't exist. And in the process he doomed the realm.
King Viserys loved both his wife and daughter, and hated conflict and contention. He strove all his days to keep the peace between his women, and to please both with gifts and gold and honors.
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Yes, but even a man cannot give the iron throne to a bastard. The realm would not stand for it.
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Team Green is a minority in the fandom. On this app Team Black are the majority. We have known this for a long time. I feel some people need to be reminded of this.
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How on planetos did Rhaenyra not survive the dance?
How could she possibly have lost?
She had almost every advantage.
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This is nasty.
If I were Emma or Olivia I would feel really uncomfortable. I hope they’re doing okay.
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In the late Middle Ages, a rumour spread that Elizabeth Tudor was being sexually (intimately) abused by Thomas Seymour; this was so controversial that it was included in his 33 counts of treason.
Sexual grooming was wrong in the Middle Ages. Daemon was wrong to groom Rhaenyra.
and they both are more than a century apart from Daemon and Rhaenyra… but i digress lol yes let’s just call someone weird for understanding the text HOW IT WAS MEANT TO BE UNDERSTOOD! AS MEDIEVAL TIMES ARE!
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When did Daemon do right by his family?
@Thrones_Facts
He does right by his family so.. and if we talking about anti heroes he should just say the entire main cast of house of the dragon cuz most of them are anti heroes
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@dream__rose
Lucerys being labelled the heir to the Driftwood throne does not legitimise him as Laenor’s heir. He was a bastard that was never legitimised.
Laenor never legitimised them, so they are legally not his sons.
Many could disprove it, and many did, but they were silenced.
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@dream__rose
Robert claimed Cersei’s children as his heirs but they were bastards who were never legitimised. They were not legally his children or his heirs simply because he said they were.
Likewise, Lucerys was not Laenor’s legal son and heir just because he said so.
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@UmarR_33
That doesn't justify her being to blame for the dance.
Yes she called the council and they decided to crown the legal, natural heir of the king according to the law.
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@dream__rose
He could have asked for them to be legitimised as his heir, as Corlys did with Addam and Alyn.
Giving birth to a child whilst married does not exempt the child from being born out of wedlock if their biological father is different from their biological mother's husband.
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I don’t even know if it’s him but the picture is very cool
whats your “THE” photo of a character behind the scenes
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Do you people like Rhaenyra?
Do you actually like her?
Why don't you people ever give her any credit?
This is politics at play, not just playground bullying.
Alicent is being cruel in her demonstration of power. Rhaenyra going herself displays the cruelty to the court.
@alicents_lawyer
Nope. Rhaenyra chose to go herself because if she wasn't there Alicent would parade the baby to god knows where and publicly mock his look before he even opened his eyes. Do you think Rhaenyra is so petty that she's willing to risk her health just to make Alicent look bad?
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@da3monblackfyre
So Eustace, Otto and Criston were also involved?
But it's all Alicent’s fault?
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But she also served cunt
Her extraordinarily high levels of cunt serving absolve her of her crimes.
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The pimping of a minor is not categorically different from grooming in any way. To acknowledge that a minor is being pimped out to you and continue a secret relationship with them is also grooming.
Alicent was groomed.
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@eilharted
It weakens her claim because she names a bastard as her heir. As scandalous as women having sexual autonomy in Westeros was, the greens may have garnered less support if Aegon (III) was Rhaenyra’s heir instead of Jace.
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That’s great for her but it’s not the smartest move politically. It’s not morally wrong at all, just risky. Especially because the kids could potentially look like Harwin - as is shown in the show.
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@SongOfLorelei
Imagine being the last of your people and seeing your ancestral seat being given to a child who doesn’t deserve it, by law, or by accomplishment only because Rhaenyra, the same woman who killed your nephew, says so. I’d be fuming too.
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KEEP MY WIFE’S NAME OUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!!!
Don’t you ever compare The Breaker of Chains to that abusive femicidal paedophile.
The destruction of character enacted by D&D does not compare to the accurate betrayal of grooming and abuse in Hotd.
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Westeros’ patriarchal norms are the cause of this obviously.
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@LordFleaBottom_
Then why we don't see Alicent or Halaena been abused by Aegon or Aemond ???Two hateful and completely useless characters that are on the team green..Alicent only gives her thing to Larys or Criston using them as her boy toys and Halaena is as useless as an artificial flower
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@dream__rose
People can lie and get away with it.
Rhaenyra lied about the paternity of her sons and got away with it because Viserys did not want to address it. So when their position as the heirs was (rightfully) challenged, it was silenced.
They were bastards who were never legitimised.
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We all know that Rhaenyra was his favourite but the complete apathy that Viserys shows to his youngest four children is a more significant factor in causing the dance than anything else.
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That's a common tactic used by abusers. They have volatile personalities to further entrap their victims.
Google it.
Eles mudando a personalidade do Daemon a cada minuto💀
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@mo_shereefdeen
The way some of them don't understand the concept of a bastard is actually crazy.
Were they never taught about medieval or early modern history in school?
Have they never been influenced by Abrahamic teachings?
It's so hard not to know the definition. Yet they still don't.
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And how exactly would this escape plan work? In your humble opinion 🤔
@hightowersglow
if she found a way to commit suicide while in captivity then she might’ve been able to escape, it could’ve been worth the risk and saved multiple lives…but keep victimizing her and treating her like she was completely powerless to choose🫨
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@UmarR_33
That actually wasn't what plummeted the realm into war.
The actions which plummeted the realm into war were the deaths of Lucerys and Jahaerys as it was at that point that both Team Black and Team Green decided to go to war. Up until that point, there were peace talks.
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@da3monblackfyre
So Aegon is in no way responsible for being placed on the throne?
And Criston could have refused to act on Alicent’s behalf, but he didn't.
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Why?
can't wait until Rhaenyra kill this bitch in the most brutal way possible
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Yes! Yes! Let's all collectively hate on Viserys!! I love Viserys hate so much.
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- is that men come before women in the line of succession.
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There is no canon, scientific or historical basis for this tweet.
The difference between a Targaryen of true dragon blood and any Hightower.
#HouseOfTheDragon
#HouseOfTheDragonS2
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Firstly, may I remind everyone that this is a TV show in a fictional world with dragons, living trees and ice zombies; it is never that serious.
Secondly, domestic violence is not being used as a ‘gotcha’ here.
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@quivi_98
There are so many things I didn't have the characters to mention 🙄
Yet some fans still don’t get it.
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@UmarR_33
No, it wasn't. But I shall no longer be interacting with this as I see we cannot agree.
Have a great day.
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Has anyone checked on Phia lately? Does anyone know where they’re keeping her?
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@da3monblackfyre
That's simply untrue. Otto had every intention of placing Aegon on the throne since the minute he was born.
Eustauce would not have stood for Rhaenyra’s ascension. And neither would Criston.
They knew that Aegon was the rightful king by law and by precedent.
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@tinystarmoon
They're not serious.
On one hand, I hope that their ignorance stems from them never having experience abuse, but I also know they’re probably just absolving their favourite malewife of his crimes.
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Just a note on the discourse around this: I do implore you to watch the whole video before insulting her intelligence. I'm not defending the theory, but I have seen some people (a minority I believe) be really mean to the theorist instead of countering the theory.
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