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Christian Platonist. Christian Existentialist. Jewish-Catholic. Poet. Unity comes from opposites. Philosophy MA Student.
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New Essay. A historical analysis of modernity and how Christianity may relate.
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Kant stayed in his house for a decade
Nietzsche had a nervous breakdown
Heidegger fled to the Black Forest
Even Wittgenstein lived as a hermit for a short time.
All the best philosophers sought enlightenment, not academic tenure as a final end.
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@TND_gem
Nowadays probably. It was a cool place before they introduced Quora+
I used to write essays on there 🥲
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A former priest of mine killed himself this past week. Please offer prayers for his soul. I am extremely saddened to hear about this. In life he was very prayerful.
It’s a reminder that even the most pious have deep challenges.
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Hitchens is gone
Dennett is gone
Ali converted to Christianity
Just a matter of time until it’s a dead movement.
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George Berkeley was Irish
David Hume was Scottish
Duns Scotus was Scottish
Bertrand Russell was Welsh
Eriugena was Irish
St. Anselm was Italian
Adam Smith was Scottish
Wittgenstein was Austrian
Virtually all the great British philosophers were not English LMAO
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Is evolutionary psychology largely just theology for materialistic Western atheists?
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“Christianity is a white man’s religion.”
While culturally maybe true in much of the US,
It’s critical to note that the majority of the most important Church Fathers we’re African:
Augustine
Origen
Athanasius
Cyprian
Pope Victor
Tertullian
Dionysius of Alexandria
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Racist trad accounts: “white people built civilization.”
The Romans: literally every racial slur imaginable for fair skinned, blonde haired Germans.
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The Bible contains every philosophical point of view:
Ecclesiastes: Nihilism
Amos: Marxism
Job: cynicism
James: optimism
Matthew: Stoicism
Leviticus: capitalism
Romans: fideism
John: Platonism
Proverbs: Epicureanism
Revelation: surrealism
No analytic nonsense though 🤔
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I am Christian because it’s a slave religion.
Nietzsche was right, but he missed the point.
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“1 page of Origen has more philosophical depth than 10 pages of St. Augustine.”
-Erasmus
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My tolerance for religious views ends at traditional Calvinism.
If you believe some people were created to go to hell just cause that was the divine will,
That’s an evil “worldview.”
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The racism in online Christian circles is disturbing.
Most of the schools I grew up in were 50/50 white/black
I’m also of Jewish ancestry.
The filth that is spewed about people of different ethnic origins on here is anti-Christ.
Jesus was Jewish. St. Augustine was African.
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Blocked and reported.
Plato is the best. Nietzsche? Epicurus? Democritus? Rousseau? All before Plato? No just no….
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Pope Francis called for a jubilee year next year.
He pulled all the Medieval protocol hinting he is calling leaders of nations to cancel debt.
This may have just won Biden’s vote from me. He may be a politician, but he’s on good terms with the Pope. Debt forgiveness is good.
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What philosopher did you read that you didn’t want to read but forever changed your worldview?
For me it was Spinoza….
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Timothy Radcliffe isn’t a heretic. His teachings are marriage are conservative and in line with Catholic dogma.
Like James Martin, all he has done is call for legal recognition of LGBT couples and their individual rights.
Nothing heretical about this. This is humane.
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Guys I’m sorry, there is one bigotry I can’t seem to overcome,
My anti-Calvinism.
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I fall into the trap of nihilism sometimes,
Stuff like this is why I continue:)
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4 types of people end up as Platonists:
1. Mathematicians/computer scientists
2. The hyper-religious
3. Current or ex drug users/stoners
4. The mentally ill
Kind of crazy how I fit three of those categories
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“A society that forces the poor to take out loans is a society that serves Satan.”
- St. Basil the Great
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Develops calculus
Develops early versions of symbolic logic and computer science
Writes ideas about reconciliation between the Pope and the German churches before ecumenism was cool
Briefly Works at the Vatican Library as a Lutheran
Be like Leibniz
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I don’t care if you’re a professor of philosophy.
Calling yourself a philosopher and using it as a synonym for academics seems pretentious.
Almost like the: “I’m an arTIST.”
Just stop
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What you can tell about someone’s favorite philosopher:
Plato: BASED
Aristotle: goes to church
Cicero: watches Fox News
Epicurus: probably a nudist
Aquinas: goes to church every day
Hume: atheist and watches Fox
Hegel: based lite
Nietzsche: stay away
Kant: wakes up at 6 AM
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@morallawwithin
There’s two issues here. For each roll of the die it’s equally likely to land on 6 as it is 1 regardless of past history.
However, the probability that someone rolls 1000 straight 6s is incredibly unlikely.
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Greatest, most influential philosophers in Western history:
1. Socrates
2. Parmenides
3. Heraclitus
4. Plato
5. Aristotle
6. Cicero
7. St. Augustine
8. St. Thomas Aquinas
9. Kant
10. Descartes
11. Machiavelli
12. Hume
13. Locke
14. Hegel
15. Luther
WC: Marx, Nietzsche
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Christianity and Buddhism are legit horseshoe theory.
It takes some thought to get this, but the two religions are a lot more similar than you’d think at first.
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I’m completely unsurprised that a Harvard graduate student has never heard of Evola. Not being sarcastic at all.
No one, literally no one takes him seriously, other than terminally online teenagers who think they’re Hitler.
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@Smith_Everitt
One of these was a cartoon retelling of a Biblical story, not sure how that’s persecution complex…
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Most academic philosophy professors are not philosophers. Philosophy is a lifestyle, a pursuit of wisdom. Academics that create narrow scopes for themselves and take pride in titles are more akin to the Sophists than Socrates.
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Religion won’t die off. Even if traditional institutional religion wanes, people will form new social groups to discern life’s meaning. Religion would resurrect under a different name.
For Aristotle, man is political
For Marx, economical
In truth, man is a religious animal…
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“God is dead and we have killed him.”
It’s hard to tell if Nietzsche was a virulent atheist, or ironically a Christian saint disillusioned with bourgeois liberal theology of his time.
Maybe it’s not an either/or?
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Religious traditionalists: “modernism is heresy.”
Reality: traditionalism is a modernist reaction. It’s impossible to be a traditionalist without there being a modernity to critique.
Trads ARE modernists.
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wtf is cultural Marxism
@ConceptualJames
our main enemy these days isn't communism, it's cultural marxism and progressivism
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It’s untrue that Hume converted on his deathbed,
But Heidegger did!
He reconciled with the Catholic Church weeks before dying after meeting with a Jesuit priest and philosopher. The priest later endorsed Heidegger’s thought as compatible with Catholic doctrine.
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Christians who engage in anti-semitism spit at the humanity of Christ.
Disagreement with the Jewish religion does not entail hatred of the Jewish people.
The people that claim it does hate their own purported Lord.
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I am Christian,
I want to be Christian,
I’m sorry if any of my expressed doubts have led anyone astray.
I struggle to believe somedays, I struggle to make sense of certain things, but every-time i doubt I see an irony that’s draws me back to faith.
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Notice how American talk:
“I’m not sold”
“Education is a good investment”
Americans legitimately worship money, it’s so engrained in us we didn’t even stop to think.
Capitalism IS a religion.
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There’s a version of Plato for every generation:
Plotinus was mystic Plato
Origen was sexually frustrated Plato
St. Augustine was depressed Plato
Eriugena was social outcast Plato
St. Bonaventure was Phil-King Plato
Descartes was science Plato
Russell was atheist Plato
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Joan of Arc was a consecrated virgin.
I don’t think she’s anyone’s ancestor.
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Philosophers no one (hardly anyone) actually reads except in extracts unless your a scholar:
Aquinas
Kant
Hegel
Heidegger
Whitehead
Plotinus
Spinoza
Locke (unfortunately I have)
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Divine command theory without nuance leads to this idiocy.
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Duns Scotus proved the existence of God.
Not Aquinas, the 5 ways are subject to the problem of induction. Scotus has a completely deductive argument that doesn’t rely on questionable premises.
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@morallawwithin
Welp, time to crack into his work I guess…. I guess………………….
I just thought this was funny.
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Dear analytic philosophers,
Why few people read your work outside of academia is because you intentionally phrase things in a way that is exclusive to academia. Few on the outside understand, or care to understand symbolic logic.
Either change it or accept the cult label.
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Most practicing Catholics, including old rosary ladies I’ve spoken with on this issue (I was discerning religious life for awhile and conversations come up) lean toward universalism.
What’s gives with people on here obsessing over hell?
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I have failed in living my own philosophy.
Philosophy is not a mental exercise (the math department is down the hall sir!) it is a medicine for ill living.
In the words of the “Christian Diogenes” (St. Anthony of the Desert):
Today I begin again.
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Me reading Plotinus on Aesthetic Beauty:
My God, Christianity really is just Platonism that swapped Homer for Moses and made a special place for Jesus.
Plotinus is saving my faith 🤔
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Why have so many Catholic apologists come out as far right reactionaries over the past 8ish years?
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Yes, I believe the existence of God can be shown rationally. The thing is this doesn’t ignite someone’s faith. God could exist and the universe still be meaningless.
The God of philosophy is simply the One. Some may find meaning in this, most won’t.
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Most inspirational books I’ve ever read aside from the Bible, a thread
1. Plato’s Republic
2. Plato’s Parmenides
3. Aristotle’s Ethics
4. The Analects of Confucius
5. The Tao te Ching
6. St. Hildegard’s Scivias
7. The autobiography of St. Therese
8. Origen’s First Principles
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I’m done engaging with Trad Bros on here.
The idea that there was ever theological consensus among the Church Fathers or the scholastics is about as silly as the evangelicals who say the Bible is self interpreting and obvious.
It’s not even funny to troll these guys anymore.
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The reason few analytic philosophers study the Neo-Platonists, is for the same reason few study the Church Fathers, most Asian philosophy, or the Spanish mystics.
The Enneads is essentially a work of meditative/devotional philosophy. Not a text on logic.
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Account is private for now
Groypers and far right profiles will be immediately blocked from now on.
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Saying obviously pantheistic things as stripped as possible is strange to me:
“OMG the Universe blessed you.”
Ok? Read Spinoza and just say God, it’s shorter. You’re making an effort to not say God out of some anti-religious scruples. You’re still a theist.
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The only surviving institution from the Roman Empire is the Catholic Church.
Augustus would die of shock.
By analogy,
This would be like if the only American institution that still exists in 2000 years was the LDS Church….
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Most Christians who parrot this online have never read a page from the Talmud, nor do they understand what it is.
Accusing all Jews of anti-Christian bigotry because of an isolated passage, is akin to accusing all Christians of anti-semitism because of choice language in John.
The Jewish Talmud says Jesus is in Hell boiling in a vat of human feces and that his mother, the Virgin Mary is a whore, I find that slightly more offensive
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Kant, Newton, and Aquinas were all very likely autistic.
For the more average IQ folks, well the Medieval world in some ways was more forgiving to autism than modernity. Everything from monk to truffle gatherer were socially valued roles that an autistic person could thrive in.
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Saul, David, and Solomon were all tragic heroes, few understand this.
Jonah is a comedy. Few understand this either.
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Do not self condemn.
God sees through personal struggles. Depression and other mental health problems can cloud the possibility of living an ideal Christian life at times. This does not make you evil, it opens the door for a renewed faith.
God comes to us through circumstance.
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When I first made this account I thought I could convince the theobros Origen was orthodox.
Hence the old name and tag.
It took me like 3 months to realize what these guys were all about, then this account became random….
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"The Bible has no place for a tyrannical anthropocentrism unconcerned for other creatures."
- Pope Francis
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I decided against taking down this account.
Everyone that messaged, haven’t got back to everyone yet, thanks for checking in.
I just need a break from this app.
Account won’t be suspended. Just won’t be logged in as much.
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@Helenreflects
God feels as we feel. God is sad at our suffering in the same way we are and through those that are suffering with us.
God as such doesn’t really feel anything. God feels through creation.
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Metaphysically I have no problems with Christianity.
The thing that challenges my faith, where I see Christianity as demanding a leap of faith, is the question of if the historical Jesus was and is really the Christ.
If yes, everything flows from there.
If no, well….
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“Buddha didn’t exist”
“Jesus didn’t exist”
“Socrates didn’t exist”
Eye roll:
“Brother, you are talking to someone who thinks Heracles existed, all ancient heroes and sages were somehow real.”
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Christianity would have a less neurotic relationship with modernity if Christian scholars read Eastern philosophy. China and India dealt with the rise and fall of theocratic states and secular states 100 times over before Rome Christianized.
No one wants to read them though.
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@CannibalBrah
One again I deny the existence of race as anything more than a social construction.
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Whoever made this meme is a rank idolater.
Decided to check Facebook and immediately regretted it 😂😭
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I spent my early 20s in monasteries and on religious retreats and now I’m a grad student in philosophy.
Let’s do the math here.
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This is incredibly based
Queer pro-life protesters outside of the DNC: "Kamala is a baby killer cop!"
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wtf are atheist values?
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Origen has to be the weirdest controversial character in Christian history to claim is damned:
Even if we believe he was heretical, we know:
1. He recanted some of his early to Pope Fabian.
2. He died as a martyr.
Like if you have to hate a Father, there’s Tertullian……
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Why would I give a shit what Jordan Peterson has to say about my religion?
Joe Biden is closer to a good Catholic than him, he’s at least Catholic….
Jordan Peterson on the Catholic sacrament of confession 👇
It is of such potential utility to people because they can be absolved…It gives people the opportunity have a fresh start.
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Top authors that helped shape my theism (rank matters here):
1. John Scotus Eriugena
2. St. Therese of Lisieux
3. Plato
4. Spinoza
5. St. Teresa of Avila
6. Origen
7. St. Augustine of Hippo
8. St. Gregory of Nyssa
9. St. Bernard of Clairvaux
10. Plotinus
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Left wing followers I have to confess,
I actually really like Thomas More.
Conservative followers I have to confess,
I actually really like human rights.
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Why are people like this interacting with my profile?
His bio translated to English says “I’m Catholic and have a sub-0 IQ in 7 different languages.”
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Trans men are men
Trans women are women
DM if you want to discuss church doctrine. I don’t want 1000 reply guys.
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I believe the Roman Catholics will reunite with the Church of the East and the Coptic Orthodox Church this century.
I believe reunification with the Greek Orthodox Church is on the table but a little bit more complicated.
Reunification with the Russian Orthodox is more distant.
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According to an old Roman Christian legend there were three more occasions beyond the Gospel where St. Peter denied Christ. The final time was after he heard of Nero’s persecution and the execution of Paul. Peter fled Rome and saw Jesus in a vision.
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The Catholic Church has an official feast day for the martyrs of the Holocaust.
One has to wonder if the Groypers “question these numbers” too.
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Locking my account for the next week.
Apparently you can’t criticize racists in peace on here…
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My thoughts on controversial characters in Christian history:
Tertullian: extremely mixed. Like very mixed
Origen: extremely positive
Nestorius: mixed/unsure
Justinian: mostly negative
Luther: mixed, mostly negative, somewhat sympathetic
Calvin: extremely negative
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Am I a universalist? Kinda
Am I an infernalist? Also no
So what am I? As a hope and belief I am a universalist. But, I also admit that if anyone is eternally damned, it’s for one reason: they sought evil for the sake thereof. A crime of infinite consequences, per St. Anselm.
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Race mixing doesn’t exist.
I only ever hear racists use this term. Two of my siblings are Mexican and I have a cousin married to a black man. Seems pretty normal to me.
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“Kant was racist.”
Yes, now
Ahem 😁
Locke was racist, endorsed piracy and colonialism, and the persecution of Catholics.
Most Europeans in early modernity were racist by today’s standards. Dilemmas
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