Why if you care about biology do you go after chronological rather than biological age? I’d say tanner stage 4 is the absolute latest for where HRT will have any real albeit little effect in terms of structure. Today’s youth enter puberty earlier than my millennial generation did. They biologically enter adulthood faster. Chronological age is a socio-cultural construct, that doesn’t take into account individual biological age markers.

Hopefully we’ll get back to the basics and scientists can look into potential sex-dissociation and then come up with a proper medical treatment model for that. And regular gender nonconformists get to exist as their birth-registered sexes but can form their own subcultures and social communities. This is where we’re heading towards anyways.

Nonbinary—aside from perhaps a tiny percentage of cases involving biologically underpinned androgyny or sex dissociation—is a queer-ideology term designed to subvert language, definitions, and heteronormativity while disrupting sex and gender boundaries. This is why it also erases transsexuality. Without a concrete definition of ‘trans,’ we simply do not exist within medical, legal, or social frameworks. Inclusive language is different from subversive language.

And I don’t care about the people who want to harm us, because they’re truly after transsexuals. They don’t care that much about cissexual cross dressers, if you didn’t know the GC community would prefer at least some type of gender abolition so in that framework nonbinary fits right in, as long as it doesn’t make a sexed claim. That community went after transsexuals long before transgender umbrella existed. I would argue the two are actually two sides of the same coin 🪙 When things get rough you can just hide your ‘gender’ and comfortably rest in your birth-registered sex. Transsexuals cannot do that, they can’t hide the fact that they’ve transsexed their bodies.

@COLBYtheDRAGON @DualClassic @Claressashields @BulletValentina Yeah. Nope. They don’t have the same genome as a C1S man.

It’s not bad faith. You came here just yesterday, so you’ve not followed my content; if it was bad faith I would’ve not given an evolutionary hypothesis. But since you’re just trolling and appealing to emotion then the discussion with you is over. I think you know I’m on something with this post and that’s why you’re uncomfortable discussing these things. You know that there’s not much kf actual theory behind it.

@COLBYtheDRAGON @DualClassic @Claressashields @BulletValentina Stop.

@LarsepediaJong @DualClassic They’re not dudes though.

@TwotimeSSman @MillieCordelia

@TwotimeSSman @MillieCordelia I like to stay on point*😁

A How do you define nonbinary? B What is the theoretical biological mechanism behind why such a condition might arise? C Why does it deserve medical attention and legal recognition? D And why would you want to attach yourself to transsexuals, when they’re not the same thing?

@TwotimeSSman @MillieCordelia Sounds like a convenient alt account jumped straight into the discussion.

@FrankDLittleton @DualClassic It’s her size and looks that makes people assume a particular advantage and that she might potentially hurt other women. It all comes from that she looks robust and strong in comparison.

Not seen any evidence of that, and intersex and post-operative transsexual women have been in women’s leagues for decades. This has just blown up in the last few years because of an increase in transphobia. And the absolute reason that the attacks got so out of proportion is because she looks the way she does. Had she looked like a short and somewhat delicately built and conventionally attractive woman we’d not be still discussing this.

@MillieCordelia @TwotimeSSman If you want you can make your case against this post and define for yourself and the cohort as a whole what nonbinary is and why it should fall under transsexual sex affirming healthcare deserve legal recognition. That’s how you have a discussion.

There’s no intent to degrade, these are again honest observations and you’ve not refuted anything, you’ve come here with emotional talking points. But that type of ultra-progressive rhetoric has lead to the destruction of trans healthcare. You’re free to leave this page if you can’t stick to the topic.

That would be a legit point if everything we said and did was for show and to gain sympathy, for me this is about biology and logic and to go back to the origins of trans healthcare. Whether Nazis or queer ideologists seek to erase us doesn’t really matter - the transsexual erasure we’re already happening from the queer side before the conservative and TERF side came a long. This isn’t new to us, so called ‘trans history’ is mainly about us after all.

That’s how flawed humans operate. When you say “should” you’re making a moral argument, obviously no, she shouldn’t nor should trans women who look like her. But we’re hardwired to sex estimate and clearly it sends of alarms 🚨when people doesn’t fall into certain parameters, socialization probably affects that as well.

@MillieCordelia ‘LGB✂��T’ is the best that have happened to transsexuals in a very long time. Now we just need > TS✂️TG/Q/NB. And yep, that’s my honest observation, and you’ve not actually refuted anything of what I said🤷🏻‍♀️