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When we finally get a number one on the UK singles chart, I plan to come back to this 2016 tweet and give myself a pat on the head from the future for always having faith
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Absolutely disgusting that 2020 had the audacity to turn out this way when it started with this tweet
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‘There are too many members and they all look the same.’ = BTS duplicate themselves hundreds of times
‘K-pop is fake and plastic’ = BTS make inhumanly big, obviously fake versions of themselves
‘They’re too Korean’ = BTS dance in Hanboks
THIS MV IS THE BIGGEST FVCK YOU I LOVE IT
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I know a lot of ARMYs only arrived after BTS became huge, so I want to tell a story about what it was like to give everything you possibly could and still not even chart in the top 100. I think the experience had a big effect on the way I see charting +
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I don’t know which interviewer needs to hear this, but BTS like us a lot more than they like you
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BTS member: [speaking]
Rest of BTS: [gently seaweeding in the background]
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The tl: I cant believe I bought a sandwich 4 years ago that could have been money for the tour 😭
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ARMYs you need to stop mentioning BTS under literally everything H/alsey tweets. Not everything is about them, and sometimes she’s talking about something serious so it’s really not the place.
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The cute little messages they put in soundcloud track addresses 🥰
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My theory that BTS just advertise whatever stuff they’d like to get for free grows every day
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Thread explaining why ARMYs should NEVER use the #/YNWA hashtag if they see it trending
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At the end of BTS World your character looks in the mirror and you find out you were Sejin all along
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I’m very uncomfortable with how many ARMYs think it’s their place to speak for the members. I’ve had people do that for me before and I did not feel loved or protected, I felt angry. You can’t assume you know what’s best for another person, even more so someone you’ve never met.
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I pray to God the other members visited Yoongi on the set of Shadow or they’ll be hearing about it for the next 60 years
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Yoongi seems to have special fondly exasperated tone of voice for Namjoon and it’s very endearing. ‘I love you but your fake driving is going to get us fake killed.’
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I do wonder how much of the anger and bitterness from journalists and media outlets about BTS is down to them feeling a shift away from the status quo and not liking it because it threatens their own power. +
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Okay but what non 2016 ARMYs need to understand is Agust D 1 was pre BBMAs, pre Daesang, pre Wings. It was so different then. The growth and impact we’re going to see in comparison this time will be mindblowing. I can’t wait
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A list of fansites that went to the airport today despite it not being public information that B/TS would be there, implying that they got the info through illegitimate means.
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Did
@CosmopolitanUK
do any research at all for this? Did they even listen to them? None of them are even teenagers 🤦🏻♀️
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THIS👏🏻WHOLE👏🏻THREAD. This is why ARMYs go so hard! People think we’re crazy or just in it for their looks but actually there is SO much to
@BTS_twt
if people just give them a chance. They’re not just some boyband
#BoyWithLuv50M
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I can’t screenshot, but there are members of the GP that are so into the webtoon they bought fastpass so they can read ahead. The person said they were so impressed they looked into the MVs and were amazed by the detail. They said it reminds them of the Marvel Universe.
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No but imagine if you were just 13 people having a normal work day and suddenly a hundred thousand ARMYs metaphorically came barging in
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I know people get sad about not being in the GCs with Jungkook but don’t forget he knows full well that everything he says will be shared with the rest of ARMY. Just because you’re not there it doesn’t mean he’s not talking to you too.
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Everytime anyone complains about us not getting an English fancafe I want to drag up my thread about how Chinese ARMYs don’t get Twitter, YouTube, Facebook or even Google. Like if you think we’re disadvantaged and missing out on the fun how the hell do you think they feel.
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Not that they even had a right to comment anyway since their faves don’t sing live, but either way they were clearly wrong. And then Yoongi got onstage and PROVED it was live like we’d been saying all along. Can you imagine the feeling of being publicly dragged like that??? 💀 +
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It was a bit like when other fandoms are talking out of their a$$ only for an ARMY to smack them down with receipts. But this time it was Yoongi pulling the receipts and he did it on live tv in front of the world lmaoooo
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Not because I like being on the winning team. Not because I want the glory. But because I *always* had 100% faith in them and their music and I wanted the world to understand how good they are. I still want it now. I want them to be appreciated as they artists they are +
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If ARMY are ‘always’ hating on other groups, why have we never trended anything to do with that? We accidentally trend all the time. Surely ‘flop’ or at least the group or member name should have trended? Here’s a breakdown of the numbers for K-Pop fans that flunked statistics ✨
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Oh dear...there seems to be some tension between
@BTS_twt
on the
#PurpleCarpet
over what is being described as “one member’s bold choice of outfit for the evening” 😬
#BTSMVAs
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You know how BTS said that Jungkook was super shy when they first met him? Can you imagine how shocked they must have been when he finally got comfortable and suddenly started acting like this akdjjdjsj
#BBMAsTopSocial
@BTS_twt
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Normalise seeing BTS as a human beings and not BU characters who are constantly dropping clues for you. I realise it seems harmless, but I’ve seen an emotional fancafe letter used in this way before and it’s really dehumanising
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It was a total shock. We had no physicals, no campaign, it just happened. Even Bang P.D. was surprised. You could tell it hadn’t been planned because he didn’t even know the name of the chart, he mistakenly thought the UK one was called Billboard too +
#BTS
#WINGS
is on
#62
of UK album chart 100. It's more than I expected! Now I wish we could make good result even in
#billboard
UK too.
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In 2016 I was running
@BTSUKUNITE
. I wasn’t a founder, but I was the first person who joined the team after my 2 friends that did found it. And with them, I ran our very first chart campaign, which was also the first-ever UK ARMY one (to my knowledge) +
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For context, at this point, there was no BBMA win. BTS had not won any Daesangs, they had not even had a triple crown on music shows. They had also never set foot in the UK, and wouldn’t do so for another 2 years. So this album charting really did come out of nowhere +
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I just keep thinking about how Namjoon said even stuff behind them in photos can cause issues and how Yoongi was sad the D-2 surprise was ruined. I wish ARMYs realised this hyper-analytical behaviour and treating everyone as something to be investigated and ‘solved’ isn’t good
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We must be SO annoying. We made an act successful on our own outside all existing systems. Press can’t boast they saw it coming. Western music industry can’t take credit. We have more online clout than anyone else could dream of AND we use it to suit our own interests. Sickening.
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The goal was not just about charting. The goal was to put BTS in a position where they would be heard. We’d tried over and over to request them on the radio and we were always ignored (apparently there was ‘no demand’ 🥴). They didn’t get ANY proper radioplay until DNA. +
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I don’t know why people think not completely despising BH means we adore them or see them as infallible. I don’t care about BH, it’s BTS I love and I would follow them wherever they wanted to go without a second thought, but they’ve never expressed a desire to be anywhere else.
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Okay seriously we need to take this route more. Firstly, nothing hurts more than losing money. But also if we have companies siding with us they can no longer claim it’s just teenage girls being salty that someone doesn’t love a boyband. It legitimises us.
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But we passionately believed that if the world could just hear BTS, if they could just get that platform finally, people would see how incredible they are. People ask me if I’m annoyed they blew up when they used to be niche (I found them in 2015) and my answer is always no. +
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People are adding it could be because they were accused of lip syncing at AMAs so I should clarify it might be because of that. I meant more that the funny an iconic moment for us personally considering the drama on the tl at that moment +
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But it got us excited. It was their first even appearance on the UK charts, but clearly we had buying power despite BTS supposedly being unknown here. So for the YNWA comeback we decided to go big and try to chart Spring Day on the singles chart. And
#BTSUKTop40
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I’ve said this before, but as European ARMY whilst I appreciate everyone’s sympathy for us being missed on the tour, AFRICA EXISTS TOO. There are so many ARMYs there. I have ARMY friends there. Please stop acting like EU ARMYs are more deserving or even the only ones that exist
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@Twitter
Sounds like a good way to spread fake news without anyone being able to correct you
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It was actually originally mainly a Facebook group, so we were more like moderators. At the start, we didn’t really have goals other than maybe spreading the My Music Taste campaign to bring BTS to the UK. But then, with no expectation or planning whatsoever, Wings charted. +
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I’m so mad at how so many people have some how TOTALLY missed the point of BE and how important a gift it was for us. How hard it was for BTS to pull themselves together and make it when their whole lives were turned upside down. How can you look at that and say, ‘okay...next.’
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It blows my mind we used to get listen to excerpts of all the songs before the album dropped whilst these days BigHit give us a now printing placeholder image and we say ‘okay that’s enough info I’m convinced‘ and order 4 million copies
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One thing I absolutely love about BTS is how they know unpleasant feelings aren’t something to be hidden or squashed down. You find healthy ways of working through them instead. My therapist says ‘the only way out of hell is to go through it’ and BTS really understand that.
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The more I think about the MMAs not being on TV the weirder it is. I know a lot of artists didn’t go, but networks are so desperate for BTS content they’re making TV shows out of old variety clips. Yet NONE of them wanted to air a show with a 35 minute performance by them?
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Jin in interviews where he blows kisses and talks about being handsome even though is ears are turning red is the peak embodiment of being shy but also being around other shy people you love dearly, so you suddenly find a supply of Super Social Brave Power to help them
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But there was a REALLY good reason and I need you to understand this well: we chose top 40 not for the number but for the exposure. At the time (not sure about now) the whole UK top 40 got played on the radio as they announced the chart. If BTS was in it, they had to be played. +
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Looking back, a top 40 hit was kind of a ridiculous goal seeing as they’d never even charted a single in the top 100. But at the time there was no blueprint to follow. Nobody in the UK had tried this before. Even btschartdata didn’t exist yet. We were flying blind. +
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Hope Eyes is there and already posting pictures. Reminder that they’re a sasaeng fansite that admitted to knowingly taking the same flight as HS and was blacklisted by BigHit. Please do not share their photos.
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We started to use our previously pretty neglected Twitter account
@BTSUKUNITE
which at the time had around 400 followers. I edited this video to try to hype UK ARMYs up and we dropped it on here, Facebook, YouTube and Tumblr +
RT the
#BTSUKTop40
trailer & make
#SpringDay
#봄날
@BTS_twt
's 1st UK charting single
#You_Never_Walk_Alone
#YouNeverWalkAlone
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So back to 2017. We started our campaign, kind of clumsily because it was all new. In retrospect, we made mistakes because we were still learning about the charts, but like I said, we had no blueprint. It's not like any other fandoms were even trying something like this.
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Obviously we can’t know for sure unless he says so. I always dislike mindreading so it’s best not to say it was definitely for one reason or a other because that’s putting words in his mouth. Sorry if I implied this as a definite, I hope it’s clear now! 💜
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The music industry is not geared to serve people who passionately love music and not geared to serve musicians and for some reason everyone accepts that
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I’m so grateful that in that moment we supported instead of attacked each other. And we found out they’d made it to the downloads chart at least, so it wasn’t all for nothing +
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Unlike western fandoms we had zero promo to depend on, that was just not a thing for us back then. Our entire promo run was basically us three, and a handful of other UK fanbase admins who could help boost what we were doing. That was less than 10 people.
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More importantly, we’d learnt we could come together as a community, which I think was important in ways that can’t really be measured. After that, we ran meet ups and other campaigns. and kept building on the momentum we’d started. Eventually with DNA, we charted. +
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So I don’t want a number 1 for bragging rights. I want it firstly to make BTS happy, and secondly, because I know it will make more people give their music a chance and they’ll hopefully appreciate how good they are. +
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Another issue, which will also be hard to imagine, was a lot people were less interested in Spring Day compared to Not Today. She was brand new, not the confident, ever-charting Queen we know now. They liked Not Today more. It had choreography in the MV and Spring Day didn't. +
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I can’t describe how it felt having to come online and tell the ARMYs who had worked so hard with us that after everything we’d done, it still wasn’t good enough. I remember I was crying when I tweeted this. I felt like I’d failed UK ARMYs somehow.
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.
@BTS_twt
’s Map Of The Soul: Persona is not just an album, but a journey into Jungian Psychology
#ConsiderBTS
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I’m crying I’ve been working for this since 2016 😭😭😭😭 UK army we finally did it for
@BTS_twt
💜
#PersonaUKNumber1
@BBCR1
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One of the really tricky things, and it’s hard to imagine now, was teaching ARMYs to focus on charting. We’d only ever thought in terms of Korean music shows wins and it was seriously difficult to get UK ARMYs away from that mindset and onto our chart. +
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At the time, YouTube didn't count for UK charts. You have no freaking idea how hard it was to get 2016 ARMYs not to focus on YT lmao. That was the one and only place in existence for streaming, as far as everyone was concerned +
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The week of the charting campaign was really tough. I remember a lot of late nights in the GC, and a lot of frantically trying to jump between here, Facebook and sometimes even Instagram and Tumblr, trying to get other UK ARMYS to join us. We were stretched very thin.
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Never going to forget the day Yoongi called someone a pathetic talentless loser in a song and load of kpop fans immediately assumed it was their fave 😭
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We have changed things in a way no fandom has ever done before, and as a result I think we’re going to keep seeing snarky articles about us and BTS. Which is fine, because it’s gotten to the point where it barely matters. It’s ours and BTS’ world now, not theirs.
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YT react channels were our main western promo back then, and they all flocked to Not Today. It initially did better in MV views and reached 100 million first despite being released later. It being promoted on music shows along with Spring Day confused things even further +
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I was very ill back then. But even if I didn't care much about myself, I cared about BTS getting the exposure they deserved. I'm grateful the other admins gave me that chance and that focus when I needed it most, despite the fact I was a mess (thank you Sheela and Hannah 💜) +
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I ran the streaming parties on Twitter. We went right up to midnight on the final tracking night. As you can see, we didn't get a lot of engagement but the ARMYs who were there worked very hard.
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So even though Spring Day was the title track, it was hard getting people to act as if it was. We really had to fight to get UK ARMYs to stay focused on the right song. I remember some literally wanting to switch priorities midweek. It was a nightmare +
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I honestly don’t even mind if it doesn’t change the chart position. But in a chart where T-shirts count as sales then actual streams definitely should. This is just dodgy, you can’t pick and choose who to apply the rules to
#BillboardRecalculate
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That’s why I was here working back in 2017 when they weren’t on top yet. And why I’ll still be here in another 4, 5 or even 10 years, regardless of whether they’re still up there. Because BTS and their music is what matters most to me.
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I know the MV is mad and disorientating but it’s SUPPOSED to be. BTS and their success is mad and disorientating, and instead of trying to fit in with the west and make it easier on their doubters by blending in, they’re making it harder.
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Watching Break The Silence really made me think about how far removed from reality a lot of the mess on here really is. BTS and their purpose is so different from the agenda some people on here have, and I know whose perspective I’m more interested in
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Do you remember the main reason we thought BTS wouldn’t win best group at the BBMAs? There was an article with industry insiders giving their predictions for winners and NOBODY picked BTS. Nobody even had them as a second choice. They were treated as complete outsiders. +
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So there was a lot of having to repeating basic information over and over, and a lot of struggling just to keep everyone on track. It was really exhausting, especially as my mental health was absolutely abysmal at that time. Like I was regularly in and out of hospital back then.
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I also remember there being fundamental misunderstandings about charts and sales. Like people thinking the iTunes position at the end of the week indicated the actual final chart position, so we should wait until then to all buy(?). It was crazy +
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Proposal: when hipster white men eventually realise BTS are good and pretend they didn’t dismiss them for years as a ‘teenage girl band’ we eat them all
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I’m really glad BTS and their music stayed at the forefront of my mind all these years. It would be easy to forget and focus only on numbers and whether or not what BTS are doing serves them. But I still see charting as a means to an end rather than an end in itself. +
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I can't remember the exact cause, but one day that week I was out with family, and I broke down in tears in the car as I was trying to deal with stuff going on in our Twitter mentions. It seems really stupid now, but I ended up fully sobbing.
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I switched on the radio and listened nervously. As the top 40 counted down, it got obvious they wouldn't be there. So I had to waited for the top 100 to be posted online. It finally went up. I looked at the main chart, and they weren't there. My heart sunk.
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Anyway, we pushed buying and streaming the whole week. Funding bases also didn't exist back then so the buying part was especially hard, despite being really important. I remember begging friends and family to buy. +
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Then a group appears, seemingly out of nowhere, and they’re huge. They even annihilate Justin Bieber in the BBMAs. You’re an ‘expert’ yet you never even saw it coming. You don’t understand how it happened, because it wasn’t you or anyone else in the industry that did it. +
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On the day of the chart, I was sick with nerves. We kind of realised by that point we probably couldn't get top 40, but we still prayed for top 100. The other two admins were in the queue for a concert at the time of the chart so it was left to me to monitor it.
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And these fans don’t act like mindless teenage girls, they’re intelligent, and it’s utterly infuriating. They use facts and evidence to back up their counter arguments. They vet articles to avoid giving clicks and revenue, putting your job at risk. +
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My new goal now is of course for them to get a number 1 single in the UK. I know it will happen some day soon. I think what makes it easier for me when we don’t quite reach it is 1. I’ve experienced far worse, and 2. I still see charting mainly as a means to widen their audience.
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That light giving Taehyung a halo. The details in BTS MVs are insane
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It bothers me a lot that every time the boys choose to open up to us or show themselves being vulnerable my 1st thought is that someone is going to hijack their emotions and twist it to suit their own agenda. They trust us so much but ppl who are supposed to be fans exploit that.
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Just think about it. You’re a journalist and you’re an ‘expert’ on the industry and everyone looks up to you. You have the power to predict what will be a hit. You have the power to MAKE something a hit. +
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You think ‘BTS might be popular but it doesn’t mean they’re GOOD. Those fans don’t know good music, *I* know good music. That’s why I get to the write about it. ’ But even worse, those fans have the audacity to CHALLENGE you! YOU, the expert! How insulting! +
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I’m going to put it out there. I do not believe bimbaptae is Korean. Look at their ‘translation’ of Namjoon’s new year Weverse letter, and how it compares to the auto one on Weverse. Then compare it to other actual translators.
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It was the group’s fans, the people who are supposed to be trailing after YOU, not the other way around. You don’t even get to take credit for the success! What’s the point of you if fans are doing it all on their own?+
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You write it off as a fad, it’s easier on your ego that way. But they just keep getting bigger, to the point they’re the biggest group in the world. So you try to twist it to being the result of a load of mindless teenage girls. +
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All I want from the parties involved in that research is acknowledgment the article was bad for us too. I see lots of sympathy for the researcher, but nothing about how ARMY was misrepresented without our consent. We were the subject of the research yet somehow sidelined +
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I wish we could have measured discussions about giving/asking feedback on things without it being either ‘BH are incompetent and evil and every mistake they make is calculated and malicious’ or ‘BH are perfect, you’re making a fuss over nothing because you’re a manti.’
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