In my opinion, here's the tiers of NBA greats:
GOAT:
Bron, MJ
A:
Kareem, Magic, Bird, Russell
B:
Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Steph, Wilt
C:
Oscar, IT, KD, Dirk, Jokic, Giannis, DWade
Steph and Jokic the only ones here that were at best average defensively at their peak, but