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@_msw_ @adamhjk software freedom (if you mean the four essential freedoms, not sure you do) does not pose an answer to the problem of downstream not behaving like expected, by widely shared sociotechnical standards, towards upstream.

@adamhjk Judging from how this went now a couple of times, with various parties, I fear that this is a too intangible thing to point to.

@adamhjk Sorry if that was too harsh, I'm German 😉 This is exactly what I mean: Rocky points a the license as the reason for their entitlement. Where can RedHat point to?

@adamhjk I completely agree. I just think the way forward is to work out some form of shared understanding of what "being together" and "listen and accommodate each other" or willingness to change means. Especially *among* "producers" of open source software.

@adamhjk yet you cringe at this situation, I cringe at this situation, a lot of people cringe at this situation and some try to do something about that. I don't think it helps to shrug it off when it so frequently leads to shit shows among the people of the open souce community...

@adamhjk Sure the license is allowing what Rocky does. We even collectively as community said (at least I would consider OSI to represent a large part of us somehow) that another license that does *not* allow this isn't the Open Souce compatible answer to this problem either.

@adamhjk Hm, I think you are talking how to resolve this situation now and I'm talking how to best avoid situations like this.

@adamhjk Entitled by whom or what? The license?

@adamhjk Okay, but how do we want to solve the problem that RedHat (upstream) has a completely different understanding of how Rocky (downstream) should behave and vice versa?

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