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Thou woldest make me kisse thyn old breech And swere it were a relik of a seint Thogh it were with thy fundement depeint I am #Ultra about #safeguarding
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I maintain, as I have done for the best part of a decade now, that what we're experiencing is a
#safeguarding
crisis. Everything else - women's rights, gay rights, freedom of speech, parental rights - are downstream of it. Get
#safeguarding
right and the rest *will* follow.
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🧵 Mother is an important word. It has a specific legal meaning for very important reasons, many of which centre on the
#safeguarding
of the babies born to mothers. A baby's mother is the woman who gave birth to it. Mother has a legal status.
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@MollyCritical
I shouldn't laugh but...
... poor lassie actually believed the rhetoric that's been forced down her throat, acted accordingly, and even now, having been shown underneath the rock, hasn't worked it out.
If I didn't laugh, I'd cry.
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"In hospitals, trans women could be given a side room rather than being on a female or male ward."
Side rooms are in short supply: used for patients in need (sometimes for dying in), not as preferential, private-adjacent accommodation for identities.
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To understand Stella's tweeting today, understand that in her head she's speaking to women from the feral class; the great unwashed. To her, we are the female equivalent of the Brexit gammon. Once you understand that, it all makes sense.
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INFILTRATION: okay, a bit of dust has settled so I'm going to try to explain one particular aspect of why the way organisations react to having
#safeguarding
concerns raised with them is important. This thread is inspired by recent events but is not about them specifically.
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Hello Gwent Police,
Can you give more detail about sharp objects being found behind feminist stickers, please?
Are these objects in your possession as an evidence bundle and do you have chain of custody?
If not, why is an accusation presented as fact in a press statement?
Force statement following a 53-year-old woman from Newport being arrested on suspicion of criminal damage and displaying threatening or abusive writing likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress ⬇️
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So we should beware when this word with an important legal status comes under challenge. It's about the right of a baby to be safeguarded in law, not the self image of adults who may, in various different ways, be invested in that baby. We remove legal safeguards at our peril.
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@Girlguiding
No it isn't. No you don't. Your compliance procedure isn't worth sh!t.
The current debacle is the clear and obvious consequence of deliberate policies you have been pursuing for the last five years.
Root and branch reform, or disband and let a decent org form and grow.
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ON REFLECTION - a lot of women involved in protesting against radical genderism come from a background in
#safeguarding
. Reflection is important when you are working with children or adults with vulnerabilities because, in essence,
#safeguarding
is risk management.
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A baby's right to be safeguarded, in the form of PR, is given to the woman who gave birth to it, who has the important legal status of mother. It can only be transferred through other legal means. We cannot have babies born without this safeguard. Without it they are unprotected.
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Men who abuse children don't go about wearing dirty old macs. They are often charismatic, engaging, and charming. They work hard to gain trust. They do good deeds. You'll like them. These men circle anywhere children or their parents are, working out ways to gain access.
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No,
@MForstater
is not objecting to those giving sanitary products to those in need when no-one else is. What she has repeatedly tried to outline is that the neoliberal atomisation of poverty into separated market segments is not always the best way to go about things.
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For clarity:
My aims:
#RepealTheGRA
, return women's rights to a single axis Sex Discrimination Act, and the reinstatement of adequate sex and age based
#safeguarding
in all services and institutions.
Anyone is free to join me! If you're not for these things, we aren't aligned!
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If you discredit women who raise concerns by smearing them, patronising them with the sexist assumption they don't know what they're talking about or construct conspiracy theories about them, what you've done is advertise a flashing neon sign: INFILTRATING ABUSERS WELCOME HERE..
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Question: if a police force has presented an allegation as proven fact, and the accused person is easily identifiable, and the allegation has been repeated by many, including national media orgs, and the allegation turns out to be false... is said police force liable for libel?
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@PennyMordaunt
Suddenly you can answer this question when there is a
#LeadershipContest
and something in it for you?
You could have said all this to the women of Mumsnet in 2019. But here is how you actually treated them. I don't believe this Damascene conversion.
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@UKLabour
@DavidLammy
How can you not know this
@UKLabour
? These are ordinary women and they're clued up and savvy. They know more about this than your entire front bench. And they're approaching a critical mass.
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You know, the most damning thing about the
@UKLabour
conference is how ignorant they all are about the women they have been traducing. Few people are highly political in the activist sense and most view those who are, as rather crankish.
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The most fundamental safeguard of a newborn baby is the legal parental responsibility (PR) automatically given to its mother. The reasons for this are laid out in the judgement in the Freddie McConnell case.
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A man so fixated on women's breasts that he has silicone imitations installed into his own body, should not be around young girls developing breasts of their own. How is this hard?
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Why is
@RishiSunak
sending out men-can-be-women
@carolinenokes
to trumpet his delivering for women and girls? It makes me *distrust* that he will do any such thing. Is this indicative of ministerial jobs? If so,
#Truss4PM
and
#NoThankYou
Share token.
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It doesn't matter how good your intentions are. Intentions are no defence against predatory infiltrators. Good
#safeguarding
IS. Finally, please take a few minutes to watch this video.
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If you ignore
#safeguarding
concerns raised privately and those concerned end up challenging you directly in public in frustration, what you have done is advertise a flashing neon sign: INFILTRATING ABUSERS WELCOME HERE..
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If you say, "How dare you? Our group member is pure of heart and has our complete trust regardless of what you say," you have shown that charming, charismatic abuser observing you a flashing neon sign: INFILTRATING ABUSERS WELCOME HERE..
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They are patient. They test and push boundaries carefully and slowly. And little by little, they insinuate themselves into positions of trust where they have access either directly to children or through their parents.
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If you aren't already, do follow Carl. A lovely oasis in the maelstrom of Twitter.
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Dear
@thetimes
- I note your recent habit of turning off comments on articles relating to extreme gender ideology. Please note that I subscribe as much for discussion btl as I do for reporting. If discussion on this issue continues to be omerta, I will be reconsidering my sub.
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@HJoyceGender
Thinking of all those amazing women on Mumsnet, who have been plugging away since about 2014 and whose names will never be known. I hope they're proud of their efforts.
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The risk to children is ever present. The National Crime Agency's most recent estimate is that there are between 550,000 and 850,000 people (almost all of them men) who pose a risk to children IN THE UK ALONE.
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@bindelj
Disagreement ≠ hate.
Simple to me. You can reverse economic policy within a parliament. Women's rights will take us a century to get back. Children are harmed every day that
#safeguarding
is ignored.
I'll vote Tory if I have to. Up to
@UKLabour
to make themselves safe again.
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Grooming parents and other people who work with children is an intrinsic part of child abuse because it is they who give access to children. It could be the brilliant sports coach, the committed teacher. Or the lovely boyfriend a single mother found on a dating app.
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A note on anonymity: unlike sex (!) anonymity is NOT a binary. This is a women's movement, not a collection of rosette-wearing political activists who are on it 24/7. We do what we can, when we can.
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If you say, "We work with parents not directly with children so don't need to take child
#safeguarding
into account," what you have done is advertise a flashing neon sign: INFILTRATING ABUSERS WELCOME HERE.
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If you are part of any group working with or advocating for children, you need to be aware of this. And perhaps, one day, someone who is part of your group says or does something that others raise concerns with you about.
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@Tate
Woman = female of any age (EqA2010).
Man = male of any age (EqA2010).
The more interesting film would have been made in a men's locker room. Why are men so keen to reject their insufficiently masculine brethren?
What is a man
@Tate
? And why is nobody asking?
#ArtNotPropaganda
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It doesn't matter which. Because you work with or for children and opportunist predators are observing and assessing - can I infiltrate this group? Will they notice? Are they on the ball? If you're on the ball, they'll walk away. Look somewhere else.
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@KDansky
Dear Senator
I am concerned about the welfare of women.
Concerned Citizen
Dear Concerned Citizen
MEN'S FEELINGS MEN'S FEELINGS MEN'S FEELINGS
Senator
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#safeguarding
is not analogous to a court of law requiring standards of proof before action. It is a risk management system designed to prevent harm; not to clean up after harm has been done.
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It might just be an off colour joke that landed wrong. Or it might be something not meant but a bit extreme said in the heat of the moment during an argument. Or it might be a naive misunderstanding of
#safeguarding
. Or it might be a serious red flag.
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@runthinkwrite
"Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man. You take a step toward him. He takes a step back. Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man."
It's why some of us insisting on holding the line on all language, Jon.
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The McConnell judgement also lays out how the law deals with the issue of surrogacy.
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@UKLabour
@DavidLammy
These are normie women. They're from all parties and none. They're not in a "TERF bubble". And because of this, neither are their social networks. They are sharing what they've learned with their friends and families, who aren't in activist bubbles either.
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@UKLabour
But women opposing genderism have been through an intense period of political education in the last five years. They've learned about concepts like regulatory capture and institutional capture and the difference between them. They know about policy laundering.
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But whichever is needed, what's important is that you have not hung out that neon sign blaring out to every observing predator: INFILTRATING ABUSERS WELCOME HERE.
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@prof_curiosity1
I do think we know why. Because without the children, the adult "rights" demands would be seen for what they are. Hence the abusive construction of the "trans child" and hence the aggressive assault on
#safeguarding
.
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THIS is why language matters.
They are not "transwomen"; they are men.
They are not "breastfeeding"; they don't have breasts.
Language is how you get people to nod along to obvious CSA.
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Back to your person who slipped up. The outcome might be that you simply need a conversation. Or you might impose a social media policy. You might mandate
#safeguarding
training. You might need to part ways. It depends.
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@UKLabour
They've studied the research literature. So when politicians such as
@DavidLammy
quote bunk statistics, they know. Many could give you a citation for the specific study!
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@pinkhedgehog81
Thank you. It's really important to understand because if babies are born with nobody in law responsible for their care, then no child can ever be safe. This is why there are careful legal processes to transfer PR: so that no child is left in unprotected periods.
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@VikkiLax1
Well, quite. When photos of your "counter protest" show men so exhilarated to be abusing women with impunity that they've given themselves erections, time to take stock and consider which, exactly, is the "right side of history".
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@THHomes
@thewomencov
@StandingforXX
Thank you. Please note the below, where it is possible that this is the man who chalked threats of drowning towards women on the pavement. We know extreme misogyny escalates to violence. Are your female employees safe to speak at work if this man objects to what they say?
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@PippaCrerar
Even our hopeless prime minister is more in touch with reality than the entirety of
@UKLabour
- what a state of affairs.
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@UKLabour
They know about legislation: how EqA and GRA interact; what the Children Act says and how schools guidance undermines it. They've educated themselves about grooming techniques and the patterns of narcissistic abuse.
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@emmajaned0lan
Anybody would think they're planning on doing things that would result in consequences if identified and caught...
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@Keir_Starmer
@UKLabour
One step forward, 23.8 million backwards. That's half the population registered to vote, by the way. I can't think what they're called, the word escapes me. It also escapes
@jk_rowling
- perhaps you know it, Keir? Just can't make yourself say it.
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@DuncanHenry78
I have lost count of the times I have said, "If you keep calling left wing women advocating for
#safeguarding
far right, you won't know what's hit you when the actual far right comes for you, which it will." >>>
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@UKLabour
They know the party manifestos inside out. They've followed court cases and now have an understanding of procedures. They know what a judicial review is and what it can or can't achieve.
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@AlexSharpe64
@DAaronovitch
@RichardDawkins
@whjm
Oh Alex. You rigged it and you're still losing! Bless.
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@DuncanHenry78
I saw a lot of otherwise oblivious men (who are angry with the police for their own, different, reasons) taking notice of this yesterday. Many asking what is the cotton ceiling and aghast at the answer. Sunlight for us. Yet more damage to the standing of the police.
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Oh dear. They let Mhairi into The Times column pages. The comments section will be carnage.
(Share token for non-subscribers).
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Be out when you can or when you want to. Be "in" when you need or when you want to be. And if "in" is all the time, you don't need to justify it to anyone or live up to what anyone else does. Don't let anyone tell you differently. Fin.
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Controversial opinion: I think it's better
@Keir_Starmer
has picked a side. Naive women can stop projecting "surely he doesn't really believe it" onto him now. Yes wims, he's going to take your rights if he gets the chance. Don't give him the chance.
#Labourlosingwomen
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@drlouisejmoody
They can't stop lesbians talking and organising, even though they've tried. So now they're making it impossible for lesbians to walk down the street together. And agents of the state charged by law with their protection, collaborate with it.
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Sometimes, we have to submit. We might need our jobs. We might want to keep our social media accounts. We might have a child we're desperately trying to protect and can't risk alienating. These are not "ontological positions"; they're desperate measures.
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Going forward, I think every organisation within this coalition of groups opposing extreme gender ideology who are advocating for children or working with children and/or their parents, should make adopting a
#safeguarding
policy a top priority.
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"Ontological positions" over, for example, pronouns, cede the ground that it is more offensive to a man to correctly sex him than it is to a woman to have her language appropriated. Fabulous blow struck in the battle against sexism, right there!
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@runthinkwrite
@stellacreasy
"Meet me in the middle," says the unjust man. You take a step towards him, he takes a step back. "Meet me in the middle," says the unjust man.
Sorry to bang the same old drum but we do keep telling you: this is why language concession is not politesse but active harm.
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If you have contacted your MP, you are not anonymous. If you have filled out a government consultation, you are not anonymous. If you have written to a shop about changing room policies, or to any other service provider, you are not anonymous.
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WOMEN AND VOTING You'd think that women would be an important voting bloc of interest to politicians, wouldn't you? That the loud chorus of women speaking up about their opposition to queer ideology and extreme transactivism would be giving politicians pause for thought?
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The
#safeguarding
point is that if you do not recognise a risk, you yourself become a risk because you will handwave through that risk. "I'm a good person so I can't be a risk" IS a risk.
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"Ontological positions"* have consequences, you know. They're not just of use when grandstanding in endless polysyllabic birdsite threads or slapping down challenges to your status as a panellist on the gentry GC junket circuit.
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@solange_lebourg
@BBCWomansHour
@Docstockk
@Emmabarnett
@BBC
I'm glad to see Kathleen get an airing but not in the least bit grateful to People's Hour. Too little, too late. The one thing I cannot stand is handwringing after the event after having been warned and alerted over and over. I just think shame on them for complicity.
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@MollyCritical
This is *exactly* how you do it! Put the case, don't try to defend against theirs, because theirs is, and always was, a bloody outrage.
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Unless you front an org hoping to influence people in power or have your work or business to promote and network for, there is no benefit to the cause in using your name on Twitter, which hosts a huge concentration of abusive male stalkers.
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"Ontological positions" disrupt a child's natural development as described by Piaget and Kohlburg by confusing them about sex; their own and other people's. This has huge
#safeguarding
implications.
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@simonjedge
@BBCPM
BBC on threats to women's rights.
1:
#NoDebate
2: Oh okay, debate.
3: Oh, you wanted to debate them *yourselves*?
4:
#NoDebate
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@MForstater
This should be a left wing argument. But, as ever, the left position has been subsumed by gentry progressives. Atomising poverty allows politicians to grandstand while avoiding accountability for failing to address structural issues.
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Why did you give them doctor's notes to do it in women's spaces then? Sexology: where men help out other men, and don't give a toss about women or children.
FFS
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"Ontological positions" pave the way for autistic people to be criminalised.
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@Kathbum
Right. So we don't know which court, what type of case, neither the name of the defendant nor the person bringing the case and you think this is an exemplar of...
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@rita_rake
@LesleySemmens
@hugorifkind
@WomensRightsNet
@CforWomenUK
@GaryJPowell
@carolinefff
Does Hugo think the NHS lying to a woman who was raped on one of their wards for more than a year is an "unpersuasive" argument, I wonder?
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@AudreySuffolk
She's now in a sexless marriage. He speaks of using his mother's underwear for sexual pleasure without her knowledge. He refers to his passivity as "woman-like".
Stop falling for the overwrought prose of the lifestyle section, Audrey, and read what's *actually* being said!
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@Jackstar2010
@tryingattimes
@jamesmatthewsky
It's a Trojan horse. The aim isn't to get misogyny made a hate crime at all; it's to get a definition of woman that includes men somewhere, anywhere, into statute so that it undermines the definition in EqA2010. Stella Creasy and others repeatedly try the same in England.
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@TulipSiddiq
Buying babies is people trafficking. Alice and Ben should use their own resources.
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@MForstater
It also creates space for bullshit job creation for a small circle availing itself of the anti Nolan Principles revolving door (as we've seen with the Period Dignity Penis Owner) and other assorted grifting.
This should be obvious to "the left". It appears not.
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@ProfAliceS
@UKLabour
Yes. My personal bugbear of this type is "peer on peer" sexual abuse in schools. It's BOYS doing it to GIRLS in the vast majority of cases.
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If you have signed a petition, you are not anonymous. If you speak to other mothers or fathers at the school gate, you are not anonymous. If you speak around the water cooler huddle at work, even if not to your bosses, you are not anonymous.
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@fawcettsociety
@stellacreasy
Go away with your misdirections. The
#Newloveamendment
is a Trojan horse to get men called women in law. We don't want it. We don't want you.
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@WeAreFairCop
@CollegeofPolice
And can we also try to get across that "from the moment they transition" has nothing to do with hormone suppression or surgery but simply means "saying magic words"?
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If you spread the word to friends and family, you are not anonymous. If you've bought a book, worn a t-shirt, contributed to a crowdfund or donated to an org using your debit card, you are not anonymous.
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@WeAreFairCop
This is shocking.
@sajidjavid
- please investigate. We don't want waffle or promises. We want action. Get this benighted, sexist,
#safeguarding
abrogating, ideology out of the NHS.
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@hugorifkind
@WomensRightsNet
@CforWomenUK
@GaryJPowell
@carolinefff
"Tell me you're an oblivious elite white man living in the posh part of London without telling me you're an oblivious elite white man living in the posh part of London."
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<Puts on Sky News>
Interview with Maria Miller supporting Penny Mordaunt. Asked about trans. Trots out fake suicide stats and the invisible epidemic of public spectacle trans bashings occuring daily on every British high street. >>>
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