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The FTC needs to be crawling up Adobe's ass , like right now.
The director, Duncan Jones, is locked out and can't use Adobe software he is paying for until he agrees to the new TOS.
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It gets worse :|
So,
@magma_com
's discussion goes into how they want to use this (ethically).
They supposedly removed directly using KNOWN artists names, like DeviantArts flaccid approach: And I noticed something.
Oh what's that... 🧵
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Translation : "your job shouldn't exist if we can rob you". Great logic, Mira Murati. No, wait.. that's actually one of the dumbest criminal admissions you've made yet.
OpenAI's Mira Murati: "some creative jobs maybe will go away, but maybe they shouldn't have been there in the first place"
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@xavierck3d
RIP to whoever died to give people realtime rope physics without immediately breaking.
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Hm. I think DeviantArt might actually be dying.
In 300 most recent posts, most of it is Ai generated slop by the same 3-4 people? And most of it was posted between now and June 6...
That's Roughly 15 posts a day , & most of it is Ai slop...
OOF.
Anyone else confirm?
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Oh Fk you, ScreenRant.
Its not clever, it was a fucking cudgel. Impossible to miss.
@arvalis
Predicting some VFX supervisor saying some shit like " What we really wanted to portray was how something can try to copy an original, but there's always something wrong " to try and safe face
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To everyone pushing
#B3d
, please stop sending newcomers to Andrews 'guru' tutorials. There are other intro ones just as good or better, and there's no reason to keep funneling people into the hands of someone who is diametrically opposed to creatives rights.
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"I have a YouTube following so i am right" is apparently his ultimate defense for all of this seething ai cringe. 6 Months later and he's still got a sword up his arse about artists not giving him respect over this.
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@clipstudiopaint
NO. DO NOT.
Stable Diffusion has stollen countless pieces of art, photography, medical info and various other unlisenced images. Its effectively a self contained search engine of other peoples art.
DO NOT USE THIS. DO NOT INTIGRATE IT.
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Knowing what we know, Shad M Brooks is just so impotent here. Screaming so confidently into the void.
Sure you are buddy, you're a big ol artist now. Yep.
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@KyleTsetso
Air travel was supposed to be this whole Six Sigma , Perfection Matters, Test Everything, Tear it Down, TEST IT AGAIN, kind of thing... and look at this shit. Greed has turned it into a nightmare.
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@arvalis
@CoreyBrickley
why didnt they crop the leggggssssss, oh this whole thing feels worse the more its broken down.
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@pinkfloyd
I don't understand why some musicians think stealing music for ai is bad, but somehow stealing imagery for ai is not. No thanks PF.
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@arvalis
@GenelJumalon
When historians look back on these years, what do you think this vapid 'art movement' will be called?
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Fuck Sam Altman, Fuck Jensen Huang, Fuck you all for stealing the creative works of others so you can try to pad your fucking pockets.
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@MystWolven
Gosh , if only they had listened and not tried to gasslight artists into joining in on their theft.
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@CorridorDigital
Its called Exploitation.
Redrawing from already stolen content so you can use tools that use more stolen content to output new stolen content doesn't make it legal, or lawful, or ethical.
You are making the AMPTP's case for hurting creatives for profit.
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@KhoaPhan96
But But But!
They're just a SMALL group of Friends
(and several employees)
with limited income
(an army of subscribers and sold content on their own paid access website)
and limited resources
(tens of thousands of dollars of gear and staging)
how can they COMPETE ;0;
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Stalker behavior.
Its weird how these people seem to think that everyone -getting- views and hits are in it for a popularity grift.
Its very much a self-report.
Maybe people care about shit and don't want their work scraped so they talk, and withhold posting online now?
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" Our site that was designed to cater to artists, ultimately betraying them for the people who would exploit them might lead do our ultimate demise as a service?
Who could have seen this coming"
;A;
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"Stable Diffusion...
MidJourney...
ComfyUi...
Automatic1111"
"Midjourney, Dalle, Runway, and PikaLabs is ESSENTIAL"
"Bespoke"
Fuck right off.
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This was a shit show & Nico did exactly what was expected:
Laughed @ legitimate concerns
Used Aaron Blaise but not critical industry animators/ producers ("The .001%")
Misrepresented Fine Tuning vs base datasets, claims its ethical, etc.
Excuses.
#createdontscrape
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This is fucked.
Voice actors along with everyone else should have full control of when and where their voices are used & making a vocal copy is akin to storing biometric data of someone else.
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Hey
@Krita_Painting
,
What happened to this? Why are you partnering up with Intel ? Where did they get their data?
There's a new release: -- with lots of bug fixes.
Also:
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"moDi-v1...?"
" What could THAT be?" (he says knowingly)
" A fine tuning model?"
"Certainly an ETHICAL group in this stream wouldn't do something of ill repute... "
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Exploiting others does seem to make things cheap when you don't pay them for their work.
The exploited trying to fight back is not the same as large companies being able to drive up land/rent prices to be the sole proprietors/ real-estate developers/ landlords.
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Someone with some conscience leaves StabilityAi to speak out.
The first of many dominoes leading to a similar SBF style raid i can only hope.
I’ve resigned from my role leading the Audio team at Stability AI, because I don’t agree with the company’s opinion that training generative AI models on copyrighted works is ‘fair use’.
First off, I want to say that there are lots of people at Stability who are deeply
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";-; Please come post on our platform "
Hey, braintrust, maybe artists would post there if Tim Sweeny wasn't so gung ho for everyone's work to become free/stolen content for 'ai'.
You and DeviantArt deserve to collapse under the weight of grifters.
See how ArtStation has helped artists to showcase their portfolios, discover inspirational art and connect with amazing new opportunities.
Watch the full feature here:
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So your defense of ai stealing from everyone for all time is that sometimes some artists are stealing from other artists? Or are you saying that any thing a human references is stealing? Im curious which generic smooth brain take you're doing here.
@EpicArtFail
@FoxGeckoCorner
@arvalis
Artists better start paying for all the reference materials that are regularly being stolen in order to create finished pieces I guess?
It's really an idea that's pretty antithetical to art when you think about it
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This is about HIDING copyright infringement, not Removing it from the dataset.
Adding smart noise just pushes the results to a less obvious coordinate in the model. Its like throwing a blanket over stolen paintings.
" Gosh, where Could They Be?"
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Censored for twitter.
Based on a picture by
@cherrikissu
this is an alternate view of wha was sculpted last evening +steamy shower FX
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@ZakugaMignon
@sevenshadez
Additionally insulting is to think its likely an amalgam of other people who created their own Girl in pearl earrings costumes for a photoshoot or did inspired paintings, and this just... took from them.
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Oh, its stealing from disney/pixar etc, OK.
Look, you already used Stable Diffusion, this video was 3 months ago when we ALREADY KNEW that this was unethical. But hey, it hasn't stopped people from investing Millions into your application, so f**k us right?
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Adobe/Scott Belsky/Dana Rao;
Firefly was trained on Stolen Content from Adobe Stock Suppliers and "openly licensed content" using less aggressive but similar wording that you used for this terms of service.
So unless you plan on undoing the theft, this is meaningless bullshit.
Sharing an update on changes and clarifications coming to Adobe's Terms of Use to address customer concerns. As technology evolves, so must our Terms of Use. Learn more:
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Writers deserve to be paid,
They deserve respect,
and they deserve to not have to worry about a company using their own works to replace them with an app built atop infringement developers have smirkingly labeled 'ai'.
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@kianamaiart
Like mother like son, cant spot an obvious disguise.
All these years and she's been smitten by the same woman and never knew.
Bless you for making this.
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Yariv - "Im using this not to replace me, but to give me more options to choose as a designer"
No dude, you're using it to save time by removing having to cite other peoples works you would NORMALY have to pay to use as photo or image references.
'pixar disney style'
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Its just really unnerving to see concept artists so giddy to use software that steals from their peers work, the same people who have actually been hosted ON magma for drawing workshops, and have probably used it for W.F.H.
Gross.
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Hmmm, Something tells me
@CorridorDigital
doesnt want people to remember that their video is part of what's been pushing ai onto people in the creative fields.
But, they're not the bad guys for Wanting to LEARN ;-; They certainly aren't contributing to the problem, no way ;0;
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In the past week they've released 3 videos trying to whitewash the copyright infringement and damage these applications do. The latest one is an artist react with an animator from
@doubleplusprod
to try to validate Niko's ego.
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Artists : " Hey, can you please stop pushing OptOut over Respecting our m**f**ing rights?"
OptOut Bros : " We're just trying to make a plan b."
Artists: " We cant trust this company for joining forces with known thieves"
OptOut Bros: " Look at these anti-tech extremists!"
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@magma_com
I would love to have some reasons to trust your product, but this is a no-go.
I get it, you seem to be limiting it to infill and i2i with prompting , but every source we know of for this is tainted and frankly unneeded.
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*Sigh*
Well, ErgoJoshArt you didn't delete the old video atleast, but renaming it?
But, your OPINION is still factually wrong.
The generative software is the exploitation of your peers, weather you paid for it or not.
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Holy F*ing Sh*t
@pinkfloyd
, How did
@TheInsaneum
's amazing animation here lose to that thieving Ai SLOP with presumably the prompt:
" Guitar In Space, Psychadellic" ???
Insaneum, you deserved better.
Absolutely insane how Pink Floyd chose an AI generated video as the winner of their $100k animation competition over a hand crafted masterpiece such as this one by
@TheInsaneum
Fuck AI
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@JonLamArt
@RayarkOfficial
Color me a pessimist, but this does not pass the smell test.
IF they cared , then they would know that any and all generative applications are built atop infringement. It would be worthless for them to invest in hiring more people with ' ai expertise'.
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@GarySThompson
@MatthewACherry
SagAftra/Wga : " We deserve living compensation and residuals"
AMPTP: " well american actors and writers, if you have a proiblem we'll just go to south korea where its cheaper
SK: " ... what do you mean 'Cheaper'?"
Get paid what you're worth, no matter where you live.
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@meganroseruiz
@candizdaroglu
An NFT bro, so them saying " we" is a hell of a branch of inclusion.
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@bayraitt
@Berthold_Skull
One is an artistic process done by a human who has to choose how to interpret everything,
the other is a performance transfer from stolen data.
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So another side of the " why people turn to ai" coin, something We've addressed before but needs to be said. Is people desperately trying to maintain visibility.
To that I say, Dont fall for it.
Plenty of artists dont get as many hits as the Aggregators that steal their work.
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@BlasterNation
the character interactions betray the characters as well. There seemed to be a lot more overly aggressive audio responses from even the more notoriously light hearted characters. it was unnerving to listen to in the Beta.
Felt very "gamer".
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Bummed out that
@Magma_com
is comfortable with using ai © infringement software within their interface? (Stable Diffusion w/ Finetuning)
Want an alternative with a solid drawing and paining experience with online collaboration?
Try Drawpile!
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I present to you, ShadM.Brooks, an Idiot.
Is it not weird to anyone this dude seems to be treating his wife like something that needs to be fixed with photoshop?
With other peoples art of SuperGirl & non-zero chance of some 'explicit C4 content' blended in there somewhere?
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@DMACalvert
" I'm getting canceled for wanting to steal from artists ;-; "
they want... sympathy?
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It's funny that the largest art sites, that directly or indirectly are supporting stealing from their own existing users through 'ai', are too chicken shit to post about it online where people can comment.
Curious.
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Someone, please... any of the animators or directors who might see that post, Please let him know he's walking into a trap, where Niko will likely falsely claim that the "self trained" sets are somehow clean of the other 5b laion set. Predicting clout chasing & bad faith talks.
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Hey.
Maybe FOREVER ACTORS are not what an industry needs?
MAYBE those small roles that exist on the outer edges are where we find NEW Talent.
We don't want to listen to Ai-Tim Russ doing an audio book.
We want actors to be paid well with residuals for their work.
#noai
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They need to stop calling it Ai. Its just stolen content/ stolen biometrics in packaged applications. Yeah someday we need to talk about real ai, but right now we need country's to get a fucking clue and treat a bunch of conmen the way they need to be treated.
@JamesCleverly
@hare_brain
@UN
@SciTechgovuk
@UKUN_NewYork
Cool, but what values does the UK hope to embody in global AI governance? The UK is reportedly still considering expanding copyright exceptions to speed the development of AI. That’s precisely the wrong path.
@KevinBrennanMP
@DamianCollins
@sarahjolney1
@LucyMPowell
@jemimajoanna
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If anyone working @ Adobe wants to release some Slack pages , internal messages, emails, or anything about where Adobe actually got all its "publicly available content", now seems to be the time.
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Question, If Adobe's Firefly was built on legit data, why does it warn and block you from generating what it thinks is illicit material?....
What illicit material does it contain?
*looks at Laion*
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@clipstudiopaint
It is even described as a search engine by the ex hedge fund manager who backs the project, because that's what it IS. It CONTAINS other peoples work. You are REDISTRIBUTING other peoples WORKS >ILLEGALY<.
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Apparently
@Adobe
, your study failed to point out that -you- are part of the problem. Firefly stealing content form people and laundering stolen content through millions of submissions from MidJourney and Dalle is WHY this shit is happening.
Content Authenticity is a farce.
Our latest Future of Trust Study reveals concerns over misinformation. It’s important to restore trust in the digital ecosystem with provenance tools from the Content Authenticity Initiative. Learn more:
#contentcredentials
#futureoftrust
#generativeAI
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@JoelCHoltzman
These people keep presenting "the art world" as though all artists are vying to be in a fucking gallery. We work in advertising, in product design, games, animation, video, all we want to do is be happy creating, not scraping other peoples work and labor together and call it ours
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@Kelly_McKernan
@Adobe
im sure their 'solution' will be to remove the name from the prompt, not, you know, actually evaluating how absolutely Fucked using Ai is in this manner.
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@ManuelDeJorge
I think the issue right now is specificly that its illegaly using all our works, 3d/2d and the like, but Actual Tools would be nice
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Also:
1.Theft of opportunity/agency. Infringement.
2.Doesn't require artistic skill ( and MUCH less time than most technical skills to use an application)
3.Its already hurting artists jobs, see 1.
4. It is crap, it cant help it.
5. A google search is just as much 'art' then.
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Oh, this was a ramp-up to him posting a video in which he spreads dissinformation on how 'ai' in this context actually works or how it would ever be covered by fair use. That or he had GPT write a script and used a bot for the voice so he could shit it out as fast as possible?
"I have a YouTube following so i am right" is apparently his ultimate defense for all of this seething ai cringe. 6 Months later and he's still got a sword up his arse about artists not giving him respect over this.
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Tried my hand at sculpting Strive from that TWRP and NinjaSexParty
#StarlightBrigade
video tonight, 4th iteration came out better than the first 3 that's for sure. Little bit of a draw over cause he doesnt have hair or ears rn.
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Pro-Ai people are always so weird. They don't know copyright, or fair use, but want to argue that the output is what matters.
What was it designed for?
Sampling peoples works?
Distributing them without permission?
Creating unlicensed derivatives?
Exploitation.
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@JonLamArt
Unless this is somehow not actually updated yet : They do allow scraping. Its the same thing as before but in different words. NoAi is still off by default.
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He starts talking like Shad M. Brooks.
Lots of self certified statements without real facts.
Lots of ignoring what the actual exploitative harms are.
Very self serving.
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@ZakugaMignon
These techbros and venture capitalists are just the dumbest people with too much money:
" Why arent more artists down for exploiting eachothers works and using software that outputs samples from CSAM? And why dont they want to PAY us to use it???"
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Oh...
@JazzaStudios
fell for the fake drawing book with all the generative theft images in it we found like 5 months ago. Bemoans it being based on the works of others... then... admits to using 'ai' at the studio a bit too.
:|
C'mon man.
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A blue check copes with not understanding how lossy compression works or the intended goal of a diffusion model.
Artist file a copyright suit and immediately mistake overfitting, a failure case, as the primary objective of the training process.
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@KarlTrewhelaArt
Yeah thats what Niko at Corridor Digital kept saying, but he's full of himself.
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Hey
@CG_Trader
, you have no right to opt people in for their work to be used this way, and much like DeviantArt and StabilityAi and others, you are basically ASKING to be sued by all parties here.
Also, You are FULL of unlicensed material and know it.
Back off.
#NoAI
Yea goodbye
@CG_Trader
...
Will take my products off anyways since after fees I only take home 60% anyways. I don't support this kind of AI
Dont worry I still have my Gumroad store with 90%!!! conversion rate.
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Everyone shout out to
@xppen
for taking a stand against ai marketing.
Aka, where I'm probably getting my next tablet/screen tablet especially if they're going to side with artists.
#ai
#sucks
#leechware
@ftwzacin
👋Hello, and thank you for your interest in XPPen.
After investigation, this promotional material was produced by a Chinese supplier and the video included images generated using AI. We have terminated our collaboration with this supplier and will enhance the scrutiny of the
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In Adobe's attempt to explain away the current debacle seems to just further 'the lie':
Adobe DID train on 'customer content', customers using Adobe Stock (a service) as a Storefront.
To try and claim to be a legal maneuver, Adobe would have to assume ownership of that work.
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@markmcgivern3D
@magma_com
This is the DeviantArt defense and can rightfully eat dirt.
" We're only exploiting people who were ALREADY exploited ;-; What do you expect us to do? NOT Jump on the exploitation bandwagon?"
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@clipstudiopaint
Remove it. NOW. Its an illegal redistribution of other peoples works. You have no right to do this as an ' experement', just as OpenAi and StableDiffusion had no right to package up other peoples art, personal photos, and medical information into this dataset.
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Craig of the Creek is a wonderful cartoon!
Who else would have thought to feature Deltron as the Kid from 3030?
Had to whip up a fan piece in zbrush. The new filters are fun.
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Time to read submissions and play " how many lies can we find!" in Adobe and Stability's testimonies. (Lies by omission count as well).
Written testimonies for today’s hearings are out! I didn’t know this before the process but ALL witnesses deliver a more in-depth written testimony as time is so limited, full discussion of positions is difficult! Read em ALL! They’re illuminating! 👀
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