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Arguing powerscaling while obeying the scientific method where knowledge is falsifiable and evidence is held as the currency of thought, within the One Piece community is a pointless task.
It's hard to hit a moving target and that's what arguments have become within these
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This is singlehandly the most underrated feat in Wano, if not the entire story.
Luffy is eaten.
Kaido creates three tornadoes powerful enough to send an unrushing Killer & Kid(in his Punk rotten form) flying.
Zoro nullified the tornadoes, cut Kaido and save Luffy in one go.
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*Zoro and Luffy training for the upcoming battle in Amigasa Village, Kuri*
Sanji: Oda sensei, where am I suppose to be?
Oda:
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Weirdly enough, this is one of best detail about Zoro that I enjoy the most.
After 2001 defeats, Zoro's efforts has been documented and everyone would be ok with him if he just gave up & accepted his inferiority to Kuina, but Zoro is different.
In his mind, his next fight with
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#ONEPIECE1122
Let's see;
- Joyboy can store Haki.
- The Nika DF revived Luffy.
- Zunisha & Emet only recognized Luffy as "Joyboy" once he awakened.
But, it's Enma, a sword that has repeatedly stated to use the user's Ryou is suspected and not Luffy?
Lol Zoro hurts them.
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As of Chapter 989, Zoro is the ONLY Strawhat who hasn't interacted with a Yonko. That's disappointing given his role as combatant in the crew.
However, Zoro is the ONLY Strawhat who have met both of Luffy's brother; Ace & Sabo.
Zoro's protrayal is literally undefeated. 😊🤣
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The only reason why I'm still along the journey.
He's him..sometimes atleast.
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"From Shanks's isn't a swordman, he has multiple fighting style."
To
"Shanks's isn't a *pure* Swordman"
To
"Oda asked how does Shanks's REALLY fight."
To
"He doesn't cut, but expel *Haki Wave*."
....
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This is a merely an exhibit in a museum of feats.
Zoro is one of the few characters in One Piece where you can justify his superiority over others with just merely feats, protrayal and narrative weight isn't even needed.
Hence why discussions about 'X character vs Zoro' are
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Some of KOL's takes over the years:
[See if you spot a pattern]
Sanji is Zoro's equal
Ifrit Jambe = ACOC
EOS Sanji > Mihawk/Ryuma (LOOL)
Queen and King are neck & neck in power.
Shanks >>Mihawk.
Black blade are a product of "pure swordmanship" not superior Haki.
Etc..
Zoro v King is NOT the best fight in One Piece. Why? Cuz people are ONLY talking about 1062 NOT the whole fight. REMEMBER, people were TIGHT with Zoro v King's "poor quality" they HATED IT! I ran defense! AND these cats tried to harass Tu because of his preferences. Fucking bums.
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One Piece chapter 986 was a chapter fill with confirmation bias for majority of my arguments, such as:
-Orochi was a symptom, not the root cause (Kaido).
-Given Kaido's reaction to the Scabbards when being attacked, I'm certain he'll react similarly if Zoro attack him W/ Enma
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The insecurity around Zoro is nothing I've ever seen before.
This is the only character where fans genuinely feel threatened by any exclusive portrayal he receives.
He can't be above the status quo, can't be too close to the MC, he can't be exclusively favored, etc.
🤣😂🤣😂
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Certain parts of the fandom (rightful) asserts the reality that Zoro can't be *that* close in power to Luffy due to figures that Luffy aims to surpass, but thinks it's logical for Sanji to be close to Zoro in strength despite the figures that Zoro aims to surpass.
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#ONEPIECE
#ONEPIECE1122
Oda wanted to drive home the point that Zoro is using Oden's Conquerors haki so much that he officially coloured Zoro's ACOC Green, while colouring Oden's ACOC Red.
He cooked the Zorotards😂🤣😂.
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Shanks fans treat the 'burden of proof' in a similar fashion to how Sanji fans treat 'feats'.
Both groups shy away from truly participating in discussions when these two prerequisites are brought up to justify their claims.
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#ONEPIECE1113
Franky has been ballin' out of control this arc.
I think he's much closer in strength to Jinbe than Robin/Brook.
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I'll be honest.
This 'Wings of the pirate King' description is really annoying, overused and is grossly overhyped.
It's also embarrassing, as we all know that only Sanji fans champion that phrase as they enjoy the proximity to Zoro, not vice-versa.
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"What series are they really watching???."
Probably Two Piece like this other guy.
NAAAAAAAAW, this can't be real! Some hardcore Zoro fans want him to LEAVE THE CREW because "his potential is blocked" BY the crew!?!?!? What series are they reading!? 🤣🤣🤣 Zoro wouldn't BE as powerful as he is WITHOUT the Straw Hats & Luffy 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
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The jokes are whatever, but don't get it twisted; these are powers built on the backs of hard work and merits.
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-Asura; Dead man's game
-Dragon Blaze (Pre-Acoc)
-Any KOH attack.
All of those attacks can One Shot Katakuri.
The sobering reality that it's easy to argue why they SHOULD be able to, than why they SHOULDN'T is very interesting.
Zoro's AP is head & shoulders above other stats
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Match up.
Katakuri told Luffy that no one would mock and laugh at him for running away from the fight as it's expected due to Katakuri's superiority, but Luffy is like Zoro, where prior failure is just a platform to victory and not something to embrace nor accept.
Conquerors.
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Kuina is the most important one; the one that matters.
That's an important message about the challenges that life will bring you and how to use defeat as motivation to seek the victory.
Luffy also had this kind of dynamic W/ Katakuri after running away in their first
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"Who is stronger; WCI Luffy vs Rooftop Zoro?"
Sounds silly, right?
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Idk bro
@Barca_Wizard
Does Luffy look like he's struggling at all? Calling lucci tough? Cause Zoro sure does.
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O Wazamono Enma.
What is it and most importantly, why are many fans so eager to play "Gotcha" when evidence(false) seemingly implies that it's a "Powerup"?
I've long said that Enma isn't a powerup. In fact, it's an instrument best personifies who and what Roronoa Zoro is!
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#ONEPIECE1123
Me: Why do you think Oda chose to use Shanks to compare Joyboy's Haki to?
Them: Duh, because Shanks is a great Haki user.
Me: So, why do you think Oda chose Shanks to compare Mihawk's Swordsmanship.
Them: No!That's different. He's not a pure swordman though!!
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Mr 1 could use atomic spurt to amp up his speed.
Kaku was dubbed the "mountain wind".
Hyouzou w/o his steroids easily match Gear 2nd's attack speed.
King has a speed mode.
This idea that Zoro is slow is just consolation for the fact that Zoro is superior to Sanji in every
Y'all ever notice how Zoro gets all the speedster opponents and not a certain someone?
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So, for the 577th time Zoro is called the "right hand" or the "2nd in command"
Now, he's being labeled as such through Luffy's eyes.
Restricting Zoro's relationship to Luffy as a mere "Wing of the Pirate King" so your fav character can look good by proxy isn't going to work.
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Imagine thinking Zoro fans are of the width, dimension and circumference of KOL irl.
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him as the 2nd strongest combatant of the crew despite not awakening Conqueror Haki nor King of hell yet (Cover page circa Chapter 1031).
Rooftop Zoro was ridiculous at times.
Very. ridiculous.
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When you laying on the bed telling her that you had a bad day and she get up and start putting her hair in a bun..
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The major takeaway from Zoro vs Kamazou & Onimaru is how important self-criticism is to Zoro's growth.
Failure > acknowledgment > improvement.
Zoro failed to dodge/stop the free hit Kamazou got on him due to Onimaru's interference, 1 day later, stops Kawamastsu in a identical
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Cr7 better scorer than Messi, really? 61 goals with that Heat Map vs Messi 58 goals with being so far away from goal.
http://t.co/Y1mqeI07qE
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Neymar was stupid to head-butt that Colombia player. Madridstas shouldn't talk. Y'all 30 year old idol did this.
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question NEVER overpowered it. it just ran it's duration.
Zoro challenged Kaido's dragon twister and won.
Luffy in Snakeman with Ryou can't damage Kaido enough from the inside to force him to spit him out despite MULTIPLE pucnhes but Zoro forced him to spit Luffy out
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Wado ichimonji is not in Zoro's mouth hence no Santoryù.
King of hell has only been showcased to utilized Santoryù techniques, hence Zoro isn't using the KOH style.
Lucci is still using his awakening despite this downgrade in power from Zoro.
I was wondering why I haven't
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They were always going to be forced to let go of that cope.
Oda has always made it known that the user is the most important factor in the progression and utilization of any Meito blade.
"Depending on YOU".
With that said, why does Mihawk have a black blade & Shanks doesn't?👀
Now it’s how you use it but when Zoro gets a sword a rank below it’s “he got a magic sword” 😭
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This appeal to authority in favor of the editorial comments isn't the brightest thing to do if you're anti- ZKK
According to the editor; it is not Luffy, the Scabbards nor the Worst Generation but instead, Zoro is the one that inherited Oden's Will.
ZKK validated?
Your call..
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Mihawk's portrayal;
-WSS
-Strongest blade.
-3.6B Bounty, higher than 3 of 4 Yonkos when revealed.
-Only one to have a Black blade & a Supreme blade.
-Looking for a stronger opponent than his former rival "Red hair Shanks".
Etc.
"Why wasn't he included in this panel LOOL"
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Eric is a weird guy ngl.
Zoro being close to Luffy threatens his perception of Shanks being stronger than Mihawk, because he thinks Shanks is Luffy's end goal (LOL) and Mihawk is Zoro's. The further apart Luffy is from Zoro is how far Shanks is from Mihawk.
That's his angle.
Reminder that this is the same guy who proudly says he came up with the phrase Godking and downplays Mihawk, his “2nd Favorite Strawhats” goal whenever the situation calls for it.
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The 2nd pic is literally Zoro using Sandai Kitetsu 😂🤣😂
Oden stored his acoc in Enma 😭
Zoro still not confirmed as ACOC user in vivre card and now in the manga haki can be stored in object 😭
#ONEPIECE1122
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Coupling Zoro & Sanji together as a unit incomparison to Yamato's strength to make Sanji seems comparable to both is the new "Zoro and Sanji are close."
Delusional.
Yamato potentially joining when Zoro already has ACOC and is on the verge of a black blade guarantees the debate
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KOL just so happens to be on the side of every arugment that is the antithesis to any favorable Zoro argument known to man but he proclaimed to not be "bias" against Zoro.
He's just a loyal servant fighting off the Zorotards, he proclaimed!
Yeah, sure bud.
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Kidd in his Punk rotten form (along side Killer) got pushed back by Kaido's dragon twister.
Not only did Zoro not get thrown back, he countered the dragon twister with his own, cut Kaido's scales and forced him to spit Luffy out.
All three things are ridiculous when you put
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What's that black stuff around his legs?
Don't tell me...
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"Enma doesn't drained Zoro's haki which results in a internal struggle for superiority, which leaves Zoro with less at his disposal, it amplifies Zoro's haki with ODEN'S HAKI"
"YOU ZOROTARD!!!!"
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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ONE PIECE 957☠☠☠☠☠☠☠👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
JESUS D. CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!
ONE PIECE CHAPTER 957 MIGHT JUST BE THE CHAPTER OF THE DECADE. MY GODDDDDDD
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The Strawman Hawkins used Vs Zoro is distinctively different from the one he used Vs Killer to the point where it might be a stretch to even classify them as the same summoning.
The strawman Hawkins used Vs Killer had noticeable deficiencies compared to the one he used vs Zoro
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Zoro vs Katakuri. Can Zoro defeat Katakuri?
This debate has been the most intellectually insulting debate I've witness in a LONG while and I'll explain why.
The debate boils down to a deviation of it's assessment of the powers of the two characters, which is in the form
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This move is totally random, but do Culès realize that Di Maria was actually a possibility?! This is a massive upgrade from that nightmare.
L’Equipe claims Mahrez is in Barcelona to seal his move to the Catalan club.
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I don't think it's a coincidence that it was against Zoro's dragon twister attack that Oda chose to highlight King's superiority in durability to dinosaur and dragons.
It was the perfect apparatus to use to show how King can negate damage that even Kaido is expected to suffer.
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Probably the most disingenuous thing about this attempt to upscale Queen to King/Zoro's level is the selective reasoning.
During the entire raid up-until the rooftop, Zoro has explicitly said that his strength is reserved for Kaido;
He doesn't want to fight the gifters as they
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So, Zoro is disqualified from being a Top tier due to a lack of feats despite the narrative implication of him having an equal ACOC clash W/ Nusjuro
However,
Sabo, Sanji, Fuji, etc are relative in strength to Zoro due to narrative implications despite them lacking his feats
K.
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No, Kaido's dragon twister didn't run it's course, Zoro nullified it with his own.
Kaido: "You COUNTER/CHALLENGE my Twister with your OWN".
You can't counter something that is non-existent, the proper terminology there would be, "You RESPOND to my dragon Twister with your own"
@Barca_Wizard
What he did was impressive but Zoro actually didn't nullify the tornados. The attack did it's course and zoro attacked with his own dragon twister after the attack to save luffy.
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Apart from the obvious underutilization of Zoro, my biggest issue with Zoro this arc is how his scaling becomes ambiguous again.
Zoro is not a "confirmed" top tier as he hasn't bested any of the top tiers, but Lucci is a solid YC1 and once Zoro got the serious, the gap becomes
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Jesus.
Kaido's wind slash is potent enough to damage G5 Luffy. Those same wind slashes are being effortlessly deflected by Zoro, before his KOH or his ACOC.
Luffy will be severely hurt. Other more powerful Swordmen like Shanks, Roger, Nusjuro & Mihawk would probably kill him.
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This was all done with Zoro being affected by the wind of the tornadoes.
How fast does one has to be a outrun an attack like this?
That attack could realistic defeat all the Flying Six if you were to line that up in Zoro's range, even in their respective Hybrid forms!
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Blocking Hakai is probably Zoro's best feat considering how many fandoms it pissed off;
Luffy "Fans" (imagine being an agenda pushing for the MC lol) gets to see Zoro does something he can't and Kidd/Law fans gets a harsh reality check on who is the closest competitor to
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Zoro & Robin.
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I don't see a lot of people mentioning it but it's stated that only Mihawk can master/wield Yoru
"The jet-blade sword that no one but Mihawk can master!"
Certain fans want you to believe that Yoru is the; strongest sword, a Kokutõ & a supreme grade but Mihawk is a bum
Comical.
the way Mihawk handles a weapon this massive with such grace is definitely underappreciated
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Those feats were all achieved Pre- conquerors coating as well!
Truthfully; only Kaido, Big Mom, King, Marco, Luffy (after 1010) and Post DF awakening Kidd & Law are capable of besting Rooftop Zoro in Wano.
it's no coincidence that Oda still thought of
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Happen when someone try to justify that Sanji can do what Zoro did base off of their supposed "Rivalry".
Mihawk and Shanks are different;
Both are former rivals.
Practitioners of the same fighting style.
Both stepping stone for the one's their inspire/trained.
Etc..
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I often tell people that I have no doubt that Zoro can withstand the physical trauma Kidd (Also Law) suffered vs Big Mom due to him being physical superior and/or have the ability to withstand/counter attacks.
How they individually dealt with Kaido's dragon twister proved this.
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I know you guys have seen these videos.
They're literally the fast food diet of Videos in the One Piece community.
These video's logic is all the same, with linear powerscaling mixed with fanboyism and lack of understanding of feats.
Nothing embodies than previous description
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Them: "Asura Douji is currently stronger than Zoro because he has greater feats"
Also, them: "Law and Kidd is currently stronger than Asura Douji because of their portrayal"
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#ONEPIECE1091
This community is the most reactionary gathering of fans i've ever witnessed.
..And it's getting worse as the end gets closer.
Every combative clash, encounters or interactions is view as a permanent measurement of one's strength until the next one.
Silliness.
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#ONEPIECE1122
The same fans who were saying that Zoro doesn't have Conquerors Haki due to it not being stated in his Vivre card are now worried that he could split the Sky using Conquerors Haki.
The jokes write themselves.
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Katakuri saw Luffy using his Conqueror Haki while on the sunny.
Katakuri saw Jinbe's arrival and explanation of his fruit.
Katakuri saw Pudding reaction to Sanji words before he even said it.
Katakuri saw Luffy coming out the cake.
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Now that the hype a die down.
This is a actually a very hideous spread
Oda could've done alot better in showing the destructive capability while simultaneously showing the attack's mechanism.
This has actually led to people not knowing that Shanks actually cut Damn Punk...
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#Onepiece1117
Nothing annoys me more about Zoro vs Sanji discourse more than those who excuse their differences in portrayal.
Oda has Sanji attack Nusjuro with 4 other allies but for Zoro, he's facing Nusjuro alone while the other Goresei are preoccupied.
The diff is clear
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The "Sanji is close/relative to Zoro" argument is equal terrible as the argument that he's equal to Zoro.
Many fans champion that argument due to it being the "safe" option that seemingly appeases both sides, but it's just a glorified consolation prize for Sanji fans.
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The contrast in mental fortitude b/w Kizaru & Lucci in this chapter is very profound.
Lucci is brutally defeated with his physical body mauled but his will to continue forced him not to fall.
Kizaru can physically move if he wants, but is mentally scared after killing Vegapunk
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@L5percent
@JessLaMess2
Finally, someone exposed this bald headed white man in Australia trying to create a gender divide among Black people posing as LS
You should've also included the search on this picture from 2016 Which was found on Tumblr.
These women really love to be ego stroke by these trolls
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A proposal;
I will glad accept the notion that Kaido didn't dodge Dragon Blaze as there's no on-screen evidence.
The implications of Big Mom telling him to dodge and thematic parallel of Ryuma slaying a dragon in the same pose are irrelevant
Also, Zoro saying he missed isn't
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#ONEPIECE1123
Were the leakers trying not to hurt Shanks's fans' feelings?
The dialogue literally states that Joyboy's Haki is stronger than his, there's no "maybe" in the dialogue.
Two translations so far have this interpretation. Why muddy the water with the "Maybe"?
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"Some title"?
You mean the Author's words?
Which he constantly repeats?
Ironically enough, no feats can apply to greater authority than the author's own intentions.
Until Mihawk gets his own feats and stop relying on some title then people will take him seriously, until then he can hold Vista level.
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I've read Jujutsu Kaisen.
The story doesn't pushes the envelope in terms of originality, but the execution of it's story elements is brilliant!
The MC acquires a power/state out of desperation, luckily, he's surrounded by all the aids he needs to make accommodations for his
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I didn't think it would be neccesary to provide clarification on this but the OP fandom devolves into Neanderthals when Zoro is on the receiving end of any praise.
The word 'second' here constitute a figure of speech for an unquantifiable short period, it is not a literal
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I don't know which of the 2 opinions that stemmed from this panel is more delusional;
The notion that King's worry is derived from Zoro now knowing his body's mechanism.
Or
The ignorance of thinking that Zoro's AP doesn't influence why King proceeded to fly away.
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Gear Fourth: Kong Gatling.
Flying Dragon Blaze
Black Rope Dragon Twister.
These three attacks scale within the Top 20 most powerful attacks in One Piece thus far.
They're even more impressive when you consider the variables that determine their
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other instances in perspective.
Killer, who can deflect Kaido's gust slashes, (something the Scabbards with Ryou can't do) couldn't cut Kaido's scales, hence Sonic scyther.
Zoro did it effortlessly.
All of the instances where Kaido has used dragon twister, the opponent in
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such a chore to argue from the standpoint of not being biased or corrupted by some unyielding desire to put your character over him.
Let's walk through the museum to the main center piece. Zoro's most underrated feat on the Roof.
Zoro vs Kaido's dragon twister vs "others".
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I'm saying.
One day, someone (not me, I'm tired of dealing with these people) should touch upon the narrative significant of Zoro's replicating Oden's feat despite in a worst condition against a stronger Kaido.
You lost the plot the moment you tried comparing what Zoro did to anyone other than Luffy. Not even 4 scabbards combined could open kaido’s scar yet Zoro was able to create a whole new one. Not even Luffy before CoC coating did better than that
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Fans used as a logical justification why Shanks's feats, particularly with his Sword & Haki, can't be outside of Mihawk's capabilities given the narrative established swordmanship hierarchy
It's not "feat-stealing", it's applying the law of extrapolation.
Feats stealing is what
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If Oda's words can't do it, then i should've known that not even Occam's razor or any philosophical principle that advocates for the simpler answer via what the proponents of evidence points to can't defeat that Cope.
It's everlasting, it seems.
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