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a thread discussing MCU Wanda & Pietro, whitewashing / ethnic erasure, the MCUs recurring problem with anti-Roma sentiment, Elizabeth Olsen's usage of the G-slur, and more - from an actual person of Romani descent, because i am Tired.
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if i had no idea what dune was and i heard that shit blasting from god knows where in the middle of some apocalyptic smog i'd shit myself several times over
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people give the writers shit for "queerbaiting" but if you ask me these are two of the most realistic and relatable coming out scenes in tv history. there's complaints about will's being "too vague" but it really wasn't, it made perfect sense contextually
#StrangerThings
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acting like they wouldn't beat the shit out of him for being a rapist.......
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how do you see this and not feel sick to your stomach
🇵🇸🇮🇱‼️🚨 People can not return here … north of Gaza is “successfully cleansed”
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fr like did we watch the same movie
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the gingercide community is quiet today
Nathan Fillion has been cast as Guy Gardner in ‘SUPERMAN: LEGACY’.
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everyone thinking twitter has gone back to normal when in reality their limit just refreshed is killing me
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baby where have you been😭😭😭
How come Robert Downey Jr being Doom and not Romani gets a lot of hate but Elizabeth Olsen as Scarlet Witch doesn’t get the same reaction?
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genuinely, if South Africa loses this, people need to start actually fucking destroying shit. like i mean riot.
⭕️ LIVE: South Africa begins its genocide case against Israel at the ICJ in The Hague.
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marvel studios trying to write one comic-accurate aspect of a character in the MCU
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i think y'all forget this show is set in the 80s, neither of these characters are going to feel safe enough to outright say they are queer. will specifically is struggling a lot, he referred to himself as a mistake, do you really think he's then gonna confess to the boy he loves?
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he constantly looks like he's pondering the best way to pull a prank on someone nearby without getting caught
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hobie was using slang from his area though so it wasn't really unnecessary lol
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captain america was created by two jewish men as a propaganda tool used against the nazis, let's not...
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captain america is such a great character but so many people completely miss the point of him and it made me dislike him for years 💀
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do y'all see what i mean 😭😭😭
captain america is such a great character but so many people completely miss the point of him and it made me dislike him for years 💀
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the comic industry was built from the ground up by Jewish creators yet hollywood continuously commits themselves to disrespecting said creators. and for some reason even more beyond me, fans continue to defend these choices.
Joe Locke will be playing Wanda’s son, Billy, in ‘AGATHA: COVEN OF CHAOS’.
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thinking ab how the batman didn't need a post credit scene or anything too big at the end because it was good enough on its own to ensure viewers would be eager for a sequel, whereas the mcu relies on their post credit scenes to generate hype without actually making a good movie.
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so when are the majority of mcu fans gonna start taking these things seriously? because they keep happening.
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all of this success could have gone to a beautiful & talented Romani woman...oh how we lost 🥲
Wanda’s impact and growth is insane if you think about it..
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it will always blow my mind how Jewish creators built the superhero comic book industry up by themselves, and yet are still constantly being disrespected in all the more recent forms of comic book media.
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@tylerxxander
wandavision vfx wasn't too bad but it severely lacked in storytelling and writing
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twitter is the only place where you'll get dogpiled and attacked for hours on end for saying pedophilia and incest are bad
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@MyGuyMoses
my thoughts exactly, it's kind of sad honestly. like i'm sure they have huge vfx teams but the spacing between all these projects is truly awful there's too much going on there's no way they can make much of good quality.
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@bermudaallie
the thing is no matter what they did - whether they supported the idea of byler or completely ignored it - y'all would have cried queerbaiting. i mean mike & el have had an established relationship pretty much since s1, what did you think was gonna happen.
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white people also ignored the way African and Romani Ukrainians were treated during evacuations. none cared when Africans were pulled out of trains & strip searched, or when Roma were beaten & tied to poles and covered in paint. but now they want to act heroic over LGBT rights?
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it's crazy how bold people are with just straight up outing themselves as nazis on this app these days
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@Limeangel5
i'm convinced the majority of the audience went in and immediately turned off their brains honestly cuz some of the shit i've seen...
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i'm sorry but this is still one of the funniest things damian has ever done
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the way none of these are Kamala's actual skin tone though like come on 😭 not mention the fact you gave her purple eyes and a tiny button nose, like??
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since it's clear the mcu have no intention of introducing a version of wanda who is actually Romani, i'd prefer they stay away from her comics that centre her Romani identity in the movies. if they're dead set on mcu wanda being white then just create original stories for her.
RUMOR: Following the events of
#MultiverseOfMadness
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#ScarletWitch
is now at “The Witches Road.”
It’s a very secluded place only accessible by sorcerers/witches, making it very hard for many to sense her there.
(via:
@AlexFromCC
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a lot of this ATSV discourse is making me realise most people outside the UK view all brits as white upper class citizens and apply all their stereotypes (food, politics, accents, etc) to all of us as a whole not realising what a hugely diverse population we have
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i want men to stay away from wanda forever
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those aidan gallagher fancasts have done irreparable damage to damian i fear
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can't believe we're having that "comic books are too hard to get into because there's so many books and it's too complex" discourse again. if you guys put that energy into literally just picking out a random run & reading it you'd prove yourselves wrong 😭
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@BartolomeuWayne
the fourth picture is just really jarring, it looks like something out of a commercial
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hate lesbians who see women in straight relationships being abused and literally driven to suicide and decide to reply with "so glad i'm gay 😰😝" like shut the fuck up. absolutely no awareness or empathy.
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colourism in comic books is prevalent. to give you some examples; Monica Rambeau, Damian Wayne, Roberto Da Costa, Ororo Munroe, Connor Hawke, and many others all have instances of being coloured inconsistently, and, sometimes, consequently miscast in live-action.
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people outside of america who don't see this as a big deal because and are making jokes, i hope y'all realise that the usa is perhaps the most influential country in the world and if other countries see such a 'progressive' nation making these decisions, they will follow suit.
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"
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mcu wanda fans need to stop claiming misogyny every time mcu wanda is criticised because if y'all were actually feminists you'd direct this energy towards defending the Romani women being harassed over mcu wanda & would stop defending olsen calling a Romani woman the G slur.
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transphobes will see a guy dating the most attractive woman on the planet & call him gay 💀
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the F4 are supposed to be hot idk
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comic covers / pages with characters on the top of a building in front of a sunset or sunrise is my most beloved aesthetic
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what i need mcu stans on here to realise is that although they may think whitewashing wanda isn't a 'big deal', it's resulted in roma online being subject to racism and being called slurs just for stating the issues with mcu wanda and elizabeth olsen.
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i just want to put in some quick warnings for mentions of the Holocaust, antisemitism and antiziganism (anti-Roma racism/sentiment), etc. this is going to be a long thread but please please stick with me and read / share it.
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some lesser used panels which depict Wanda and Pietro with darker skin tones (Pietro is however stated to be lighter than Wanda), as they often fall victim to colourism from uneducated artists, which is, for some reason, used to insist the twins are white.
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i wish to do this without anyone who supports Elizabeth Olsen or MCU Wanda getting angry, this is simply an educational thread made with the hopes of creating at least some sort of understanding between us all.
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some people even use this excuse in a much more outrageous way, claiming that since they often have pale skin in the comics, all Roma in real life are pale, white people, and do not in fact face racism, which is dismissive of the reality many Roma face, even still today.
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Vision and Scarlet Witch
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now let's move onto Wanda and Pietro, and firstly start with their Jewish and Romani roots in the comics, since too many people refuse to believe they were ever there.
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our roots trace back to India and South Asia, the basis of our oppression has been centred around many Roma having a dark skin tone and the mistrust that grew due to that / our different traditions and ways of life.
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as Pietro died in Age of Ultron, there's not much else to discuss with him, so i'm going to focus on Wanda. her room at the Avengers' compound is covered with Christian crosses, she has pale skin and light eyes & hair, and gives zero mention of being of Romani descent.
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*black* triangle, which was used to identify Romani people in the holocaust - not gay men. it's a nazi symbol that non-Romani people have no right using.
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even their names are a way of honouring their Romani heritage and real life Romani artists. the 'Django' in Wanda Django Maximoff, comes from the Manouche (French Romani) musician Django Reinhardt, and 'Maximoff' comes from Kalderash writer Matéo Maximoff.
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racialisation as a concept is very important to remember when it comes to Romani people. Roma have been subject to constant discrimination in the forms of chattel slavery, displacement, disenfranchisement & genocide for centuries, thus pushing a unique racial identity onto us.
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the wanda that
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let me start off with perhaps the most important part of this thread, since there are a lot of discussions surrounding whether we, the Roma, are white or not. this is a complex discussion but the quick and simple answer is; No.
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there are many white-passing and white mixed Romani people out there, but this makes up the minority. the majority of Roma are not white-passing, and usually have darker skin. to put this simply; Romani is our race, and our ethnicities are known as our vitsi.
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EP6 of WandaVision treats Wanda's heritage as an easter-egg, as she dresses in one of Wanda's comic book costumes, calling it a "Sokovian fortune teller" outfit. this relies on tropes surrounding Romani people being mystical and mysterious beings; we don't all read fortunes.
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it even explains the slang in a little note in the corner of the screen in the movie 😭
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more about Magneto and Magda, shown in X-Men: Magneto Testament (2008), where we get an insight into how they both met in nazi Germany.
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a panel from Avengers (1963)
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it only gets worse with the behind the scenes concept art that was almost used in the show. i've called these out before for being overtly stereotypical. Elizabeth Olsen herself also claims to have "fought" for these costumes to be used, and using the G-slur to describe the look.
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actually it shows just how big a problem whitewashing wanda was because all of this success could have gone towards a talented and unknown Romani actress rather than a white nepotism baby who would have been fine either way.
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so give ur role to a romani woman babes that way we all win
Elizabeth Olsen says she started feeling “frustrated” losing roles because of MCU:
“I had this job security but I was losing these pieces that I felt were more part of my being.”
Olsen famously lost out on Yorgos Lanthimos’ THE LOBSTER due to her MCU commitments.
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this is coming from THIS person who claimed time and time again that they're a poc by the way...
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the issue shows how their biological parents were Magda and Magneto, but were raised by Django and Marya, a Romani couple. we are also shown just some of the discrimination and racism the twins faced simply for being Romani, which plays a huge part in who they are as characters.
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Is it platonic? Is it romantic? Who knows but baby it's homosexual
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i get too many people in my mentions yelling that it's not a slur, even when i share my own experience of it being used towards me derogatorily. there is a very long and very violent history behind the word G*psy. not all Roma share the same opinion, but many do.
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we all know that Wanda and Pietro have never been played by Romani actors. in the mcu, Elizabeth Olsen (neither Jewish or Romani) was cast as Wanda, and Aaron Taylor-Johnson (Jewish but not Romani) was cast as Pietro, both first properly appearing in Avengers: Age of Ultron.
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now we have established the twins have been canonically Romani and Jewish for decades, let's briefly move onto colourism within comics, and why arguing the twins being coloured incorrectly means they're canonically white is wrong.
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the MCU never once explicitly states the twins are Romani or Jewish at all, only that they are orphaned and come from a fictional country in Eastern Europe known as 'Sokovia' (this place does not exist in the comics.)
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